Founding Fathers Debate -- Need Help

[Raoul Duke, Jr.]

Thought I'd take a minute to make an example of "GC" or, as he is more widely-known, "General Chang."

Apparently not satisfied with the outcome of the debate here, he's taken the debate to Trollkingdom.com in another display of passive-aggressive victory posturing. Unfortunately, he's still meeting resistance.

Well, let's address your stupidity point by point.

First thing I'd like to point out is that you bowed out over at SDN on the grounds that you had "no time" for this debate. Yet, here you are. Perhaps you'd like to rejoin us now that you have time?

I didn't think so.

In any case, what do we have here?

So? The set of quotes which comes first wins?

Must be what you mean, because otherwise I can conversly argue that your set of quotes doesn't disprove mine.

No, you couldn't. How simply must I say this... Devout, Bible-believing Christians do not talk shit about Christianity. Publicly or privately.

The quotes you were provided show these men displaying contempt for Christianity. You have yet to explain why devout Christians would do this.

That would be the same logic which never questioned whether John Adams was likely to have used the phrase "carloads"?

Do you have even the faintest clue what the word "car" is a contraction of? It isn't "automobile," dipshit -- it's "carriage". Are you claiming that carriages did not exist in Adams' time?

BUT you can appeal to the much less extensive research of some guy with a website who almost certainly did ZERO primary research with the original documents and did so over 100 years furter away from the events in question - according to the Kings of Logic.

Isn't that what you do when you decide to believe that the Bible is the "LITERAL TRUTH" as you put it?

That "Kings of Logic" bit is nice, I'll pass that on. In the meantime... "Hail to The King, Baby!"

[CaptainChewbacca]

RDJ, if the site is yours, change the message to specify which Visionrazor is the imposter. Is it the one on the TrekBBS, or the one in TrollKingdom. Make a list of the imposter's names, and put them up.

That should prove to everyone what's really going on.

And you know, there's no good reason not to. End this, if you can.

[Raoul Duke, Jr.]

RDJ, if the site is yours, change the message to specify which Visionrazor is the imposter. Is it the one on the TrekBBS, or the one in TrollKingdom. Make a list of the imposter's names, and put them up.

That should prove to everyone what's really going on.

And you know, there's no good reason not to. End this, if you can.

End this, if I can?! Funny thing is, Chewbacca, that sounds more like a challenge than anything else.

[CaptainChewbacca]

Actually, its an imploration. I only question you insofar as none of you has given difinitive proof. If you can end it, do it soon and finish this up. My appologies if my previous post was misconstrued. In this time of heated tempers, I'm trying to be one of those prevailing "cooler heads."

BTW, which guy on TK are you?

[Raoul Duke, Jr.]

DSK8975.

[CaptainChewbacca]

Really? Wow. Didn't expect that. I'll inform the masses. Thx.

[Raoul Duke, Jr.]

Awaits the reaction of the trollish masses with great anticipation.

I feel my chain praparing for yet another jerking.

[CaptainChewbacca]

See, this is why I use the same name on every BBS. Less confusing.

[Darth Wong]

In all fairness to CaptainChewbacca, I must say that so far, I have found him to be reasonably sincere. Certainly different from GC and Storm Rucker, neither of whom look particularly good based on their conduct here.

[CaptainChewbacca]

Praise from Caesar.

I just want to get to the bottom of this.

[Raoul Duke, Jr.]

Have you been to their BBS yet, Mike? It might help to see it for yourself. I won't say that the behavior of the rest of the board there ought to necessarily make anyone distrust an individual from that board, but... please, just go see it.

It's ww<w>.trollkingdom.com

Here's the newest "visionrazor" thread.

http://w<w>w.trollkingdom.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5345

[Raoul Duke, Jr.]

Nice quote from CaptainChewbaca in the above referenced thread:

Actormike, I expect producer credit for the movie. After all, I was there in the original Founding Fathers thread from the beginning.

Still think he's being sincere, Mike?

[CaptainChewbacca]

Hey, that thread is helpful. I'm trying to give people a clearer picture of who is lying to whom.

And what I said was true, based on what you told me.

Should I change it? Its my thread.

[Darth Wong]

Have you been to their BBS yet, Mike? It might help to see it for yourself. I won't say that the behavior of the rest of the board there ought to necessarily make anyone distrust an individual from that board, but... please, just go see it.

It's ww<w>.trollkingdom.com

Here's the newest "visionrazor" thread.

http://w<w>w.trollkingdom.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5345

I saw the shit that the "Visionrazor" clone was stirring up. Quite disturbing; I completely agree that anyone who does such a thing is a contemptible little sludge (which is why I banned and IP-identified the little shit-stain who claimed responsibility).

[CaptainChewbacca]

Which poster was that?

[Raoul Duke, Jr.]

Hey, that thread is helpful. I'm trying to give people a clearer picture of who is lying to whom.

And what I said was true, based on what you told me.

Should I change it? Its my thread.

What you should have done is refrain from taking credit for enabling illegal activities on that site.

Or am I misunderstanding your request for being credited as part of that little trolling operation? Seems pretty cut-and-dried to me.

EDIT: Another interesting question that should have occurred to me sooner...

Actormike, I expect producer credit for the movie. After all, I was there in the original Founding Fathers thread from the beginning.

Why are you asking actormike for this credit?

[CaptainChewbacca]

That was a joke referencing actormike's "VisionRazor" screenplay. Don't go looking for ill will and fights where none exist, man. I'm trying to figure out what's going on and who's who and a way to prove it.

I also don't recall taking any credit for enabling ANY illegal activities. What I tried to do was clarify who was who in this whole mixup.

[Lord of the Farce]

Just had a look over at Troll Kingdom, and I must say this "faceman" has a mighty high opinion of himself.

[NecronLord]

according to the Kings of Logic.

That "Kings of Logic" bit is nice, I'll pass that on.

Prehaps we should title ourselves "The Logic Lords" (Kings is too pretentious) to annoy the trolls?

[Lord of the Farce]

Prehaps we should title ourselves "The Logic Lords" (Kings is too pretentious) to annoy the trolls?

How about "Logic Police"? Kinda like the "Fashion Police", but dealing with logic rather than fashion disasters.

[Darth Wong]

For people who made no effort whatsoever to use logic while here (and in one case, expressed open contempt for the over-use of logic), people like "faceman" and "storm rucker" and "gc" seem mighty proud of their logic skills elsewhere

[Raoul Duke, Jr.]

For people who made no effort whatsoever to use logic while here (and in one case, expressed open contempt for the over-use of logic), people like "faceman" and "storm rucker" and "gc" seem mighty proud of their logic skills elsewhere

Actually, I'm pretty sure GC has no bleeding idea of how logic works, which renders him totally incapable of applying it to debate; this explains his contempt for it.

Rucker and a few of the others, on the other hand, are a little harder to peg. Either they, like GC, are utterly incapable of applying logic to debate -- and so don't even bother trying -- or they're intimately familiar with logical fallacies, and deliberately employ logical fallacies in order to confuse, disorient or irritate their opponents to exhaustion, then declare victory for themselves.

[CaptainChewbacca]

I think Storm is one of the latter.

[Darth Wong]

I think Storm is one of the latter.

I wonder if he realizes that it's one of those techniques which is only effective against a weaker opponent, and will seriously backfire against a strong opponent.

[Raoul Duke, Jr.]

I think Storm is one of the latter.

So he's a dishonest debater... well, I've known that for awhile now. See, if he were the strong debater you think he is, Chewbacca, he could debate honestly and win.

And by "intimately familiar with logical fallacies", I'm not saying that Rucker has actually learned the definitions of these fallacies. He was probably one of the "Complex Question" kids in his high school -- you know, the "If I washed my cock, would'ja suck it?" dipshits.

He didn't necessarily study them -- he probably just found the tricks that pissed people off in arguments, and has gotten really good at elaborating on them.