Notes after reading the Superlaser Effect and DET debate.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2003-05-10 02:04am

Again, some notes on the Superlaser theories, which I made after reading the Superlaser Debate.
http://www.lab321.ru/~stas/whatisdeathstar.html
Actually I have read the whole debate (huh, this was not easy

) and found that the so-called "Superlaser Effect" arguments are somewhat useless.
Still, I'm not a physist, neither a chemical specialist, so I may be wrong just about all. I would be grateful for correction of my (many awful) mistakes.

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2003-05-10 07:54am

An excellent page, in that it seems to cover just about everything on the issue. You particularly explained away the "Superlaser Effect" fallacy quite well.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2003-05-10 08:10am

SPOOFE
Thank you.

What I actually forgot to cover is the DS speed and DS shields...

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-05-10 10:42am

You are incorrect in section 1.1 1E38 joules is sufficient to take out a gas giant, it will just expand extremely slowly.

THe power section is better contradicted by canon fact: THe stopping power of the DS's shields agaisnt alderaan. I'd need to figure out what the new cross section is (since this is for the old 120 km diameter) but right now the shields power = (Energy of planet's destruction - GBE of planet) / GBE of planet * 10^26

The 10^26 would increase with a lager cross sections since the shields would absorb more energy. Also, this is just for particle shields, energy shields need to still be factored in.

In either case, going with the smaller 120 KM fig, this would work out to 1.4E32 joules for the particle shields alone. This would take 2.3E17 kg of hydrogen per second, assuming 100% efficient reaction which does not exist. This is 23% of the DS's estimated mass each second.

On other words, the movie proves fusion ain't what's powering it. Anitmatter is also out, as that would require refueling every 10 minutes by my quick work here. (Fusion would require fueling every 4 seconds)

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2003-05-10 11:44am

Ender
Notice that the first DS cutaways had huge void spaces in it..

Joking.

I assume that "hypermatter fusion" means "matter from hyperspace", which is in realspace turned into pure energy. Could that be possible?

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-05-10 11:46am

No, hypermatter reactors are described as anhilation devices, not fusion devices. I suppose some interpretation of the word fusion could make ammends, but a quick once over to me says no.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-05-10 11:49am

Hypermatter is a semi-magical hyperphysical form of matter that happens to have a mass described by a complex number and is integral in hyperjumps according to ICS2.

Hypermatter is just that...a hyperphysical form of matter that can deliver more energy apparently that M/AM annhiliation. Hyperspace is an alternate dimension in the sense that hyperspace is the universe observed from the perspective of a tachyon. Matter in hyperspace has no magic-energy yielding property. Tachyons are simply massive particles moving faster than light according to Special Relativity.

Don't bother trying to explain how it works.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2003-05-10 11:56am

Illuminatus PrimusEnder
No, actually, that's all quite understandable.
Then how the hell is the Death Star powered, and WTH the "hypermatter fusion" can be?

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-05-10 11:58am

Hypermatter may be a somesort of exotic-mass matter/antimatter annhiliation.

We don't quite understand.

We're dealing with matter that has mass not described by a positive real number, but a complex number. It can have imaginary mass.

Suffice to say that it is an exotic energy source that produces more energy, more efficiently than anything we can identify with our knowledge of physics.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2003-05-10 12:07pm

Got that. The hypermatter fusion is actually EU, so perhaps I'll just leave it out.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-05-10 12:10pm

Hypermatter is just an official name for what we can observe from the canon for the Death Star's power needs--magic.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2003-05-10 12:24pm

Doesn't matter much, magic or H/M. Because still the "artificial sun" refers to the explosion, I think, or to some star-like reactor (makes no sense - too small).

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-05-10 04:43pm

Using the correct 160 km figures, the surface area affected should be about 77% larger than what was given, or about 2.5E32 joules for the particle shields.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-05-10 04:51pm

consequences wrote:Using the correct 160 km figures, the surface area affected should be about 77% larger than what was given, or about 2.5E32 joules for the particle shields.

Thanks man. What is the exact facor instead of 10^26 now? I'd like it for my own records please.