Xena v.s. Buffy

[Majin Gojira]

(Smacks self in the head)

Comparing baddies is...actually rather irrelevant. Give a list of each of their abilities and compare them. I've already Provided Buffy's, now we just need Xena's. Considering how tough their character sheilds are ... and the campy nature of Xena. Deducing by Villains is not the way to go. Only by displayed abilities.

But if you insist...consider the fact that the Gods of the Buffyverse are Lovcraftian in nature, if that is the only argument out their.

[Antediluvian]

I have to agree. Xena has faced more powerful foes than Buffy, like Ares and Hercules (who she would have beaten had it not been for outside interference) and won, plus she has killed gods and goddesses before, so Buffy will not be anything new for her, plus she has far more experience and is more in control of her emotions.

Xena is the victor.

Interesting points.

Xena has killed Callisto (in Goddess form) and...damn...I know their's another one.

Xena is also a very battle hardened woman.

too bad Buffy actually seems to draw strength FROM her emotions (As she explained to fellow Slayer Kendra in "Who's Line is it Anyway Part 2" (Second Season).

Besides which, just because two characters are called "Gods" in different worlds does not mean that they are equal to each other.

Add into the fact that the only way to kill a god in Xena's world is with a Hindsblood, an armament Buffy did not have access to when she fought the Demon-God (Goddess?) Glory. with a weapon like that, one good hit is all that is needed. And Buffy has been able to get in a hit or two on Glory. (Eps: Season 5, "No Place Like Home", "Crush", "The Gift" to name a few.). If one were to assume that both Gods had similar "Power Levels".

Ya know...I think I'm the only one who takes this thing in any form of seriousness.

She imprisoned Velasca, who became a goddess as well. I should also point out that she killed Bacchus with a Dryad bone, and when she killed most of the Greek pantheon, her daughter was around, which gave her the ability to kill deities. That's still more impressive than Buffy's feat.

She also defeated Ares in hand to hand combat, which Buffy couldn't do with Glory without help.

As for differing god power levels, there's nothing saying that Glory would be more powerful than the gods and goddessess from Xena's world.

It's possible that if Glory was in her hell-dimension, she would be as powerful as Ares or Athena, but she was weakened in ours (according to Giles), so Buffy's victory isn't that impressive compared to Xena's.

And hey, I'm taking this seriously too.

[Antediluvian]

(Smacks self in the head)

Comparing baddies is...actually rather irrelevant. Give a list of each of their abilities and compare them. I've already Provided Buffy's, now we just need Xena's. Considering how tough their character sheilds are ... and the campy nature of Xena. Deducing by Villains is not the way to go. Only by displayed abilities.

But if you insist...consider the fact that the Gods of the Buffyverse are Lovcraftian in nature, if that is the only argument out their.

Comparing past foes is a good way of comparing their abilities. Seeing how Xena has defeated such powerful foes in the past, she should be able to defeat Buffy.

And I assume you're referring to the Old Ones, who were never stated to be gods.

[Majin Gojira]

And hey, I'm taking this seriously too.

Yea!

Well then, can you put up a list of powers/abilities of Xena then so we can really compare them. otherwise, we might as well name each's most powerful foe, the extent of said foe's power, and the method they were defeated in.

Majin Gojira
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It's like comparing David Dunn ("Unbreakable") to Peter Parker ("Spider-man")

[Antediluvian]

It's been a while, but let me think...

Well, Xena is apparently a demi-god (this may have been stated already) like Herc, but it seems focused on agility more than strength. She can pull all sorts of impressive leaps, almost defying gravity at times, and pull off all sorts of incredible acrobatic moves. She can catch projectiles out of thin air (so that rules bows and crossbows out) bank shots off walls, and look out for that fire thing!

Her greatest strengths has to be her cunning, her killer instinct, her ruthlessness, and her fighting ability, plus her ability to figure out her foes weaknessess, and don't overlook that deadly nerve pinch.

Xena also seems to possess some extent of superhuman toughness, seeing how she was able to resist blows from Hercules and Ares, who are both stronger and tougher than Buffy.

She did possess some sort of ki blasting power, but she lost that a while back.

And you certainly can't discount her experience advantage over Buffy.

How's that?

[Antediluvian]

And if they are going to use the weapons they normally carry against each other, sword and Chakram beats stake everytime.

[Majin Gojira]

Thanks.

Though numbers, or approximations would be nice.

Xena definitely has a weapons advantage. Thanks to your post, it can be confirmed that she also has the Skill advantage (Forgot about that nerve-pinch), jumping advantage, experience advantage, and possibly the durability advantage ... I'm not sure, leather and metal can act as armor... for the skin at least, but either way, it's there.

Buffy has the regenerative/stamina advantage, possibly the strength advantage and the ground speed advantage.

Damn this is close!

Truely a Godzilla (Heisie) vs. Gamera (Heisie) type debate, though It does appear that Xena would be able to get a submission out of Buffy with that nerve pinch.

[Master of Ossus]

Buffy wins HtH, but I think Xena has the edge with all of her weapons. Maybe she could cut off Buffy's clothes ala Zorro.

In that case, to borrow from our own Grand Admiral Thrawn, the audience wins.

[Majin Gojira]

Umm...Duh.

[Antediluvian]

(Buffy wins HtH,)

Even though Xena defeated HtH stronger and tougher opponents than Buffy, like Ares, and nearly killed Hercules?

[Lord of the Farce]

Hang on, did you just say that Xena is Ares's daughter? IIRC didn't those two "got it on"?

Seriously, while Buffy has beaten some pretty tough enemies, as far as I can recall, Xena has defeated toughter ones. My vote's on Xena.

[Majin Gojira]

It was desciffered by Xena in the ep where she is cursed with insanity and persecution. forget the ep, but it kinda makes you think "Ick" with all of Ares' attempts to get under her skirt.

So...for some people it seems that a comparison of villains is the only way to go...Frell.

maybe in another post i'll do that...or at least try. Hell, it'll be interesting to see the list of villains that only say "a god" with no exact information in detail of the extent of that god's powers and abilitie, because after all, if something is a god, they're unnassailably strong!

Details help make better decisions.

[Antediluvian]

(Hang on, did you just say that Xena is Ares's daughter? IIRC didn't those two "got it on"?)

Yes, they did, but remember that the Greek gods and goddessess thought nothing of incest, after all Zeus and Hera are brother and sister and they got married.

[Master of Ossus]

If you look at a Greek mythological family tree, you will see countless examples of incest. Other times, Gods will unilaterally give birth to one another, or to demigods or monsters.

[Majin Gojira]

Just for the hell of it, I might as well post this now...a list of the most powerful Buffy Villains (If someone can compile a similar list for Xena...)

1) The Master – Uber vamp of immense power, possesses hypnotic powers, has sharp claws, and is very stealthy/mind clouding. Thrown through a roof window onto a broken table…later, his bones were crushed.

2) The Hellmouth Spawn – Pure demon. 7ft tall, approx 9ft across when first seen. 15ft tall and approx. 20ft across when seen 1 ½ years later. Three blind heads, many long, thin tentacles and a “Real Face”. Possibly a demonic organism similar to a sea cucumber (heads/tentacles retracts into true mouth of a humongous worm-like entity). Thick hide (not cut very much by repeated chops from ax-wielding Buffy). Driven back into Hellmouth. Still waits.

3) Acathla – Uber-demon. Locked in stone with magic sword. If it draws breath, it will suck the world into hell. Kept dormant by returning sword with Angel’s blood (his blood is the key to awaken Acathla) on it (Angel got sucked into hell dimension).

4) Dracula – World famous Vampire/Sorcerer. Capable of mind control (Renfield-ing Xander), shape-shifting into: Bat, Wolf and Mist. Staked TWICE by Buffy, until she declared (as he began to reform) “I’m standing right here”, he ran away.

5) Lurconis – Miles-long demonic Eel monster. Big enough to swallow a person in 2 bites. Usually fed Babies by worshipers. Burned to death by lit-gas line wielding Buffy.

6) Olaf the Troll “God” – 7 foot tall Uber-strong Troll, with tremendously heavy (Over 500lbs) Magic Hammer (Which Buffy wields with ease). KOed by Buffy, and sent to “Troll Dimension” by Willow…or the land with no shrimp….

7) Glory – a Hellgod from a triumvirate or ruling Demon Gods of one of the nastier Hell dimension. The other two feared Glory’s Power and worried that she would take total control of the dimension for herself, and cast her to Earth’s Dimension. It would appear that one of the triumvirate members was Dagon, aid to the Cthulhu (Tells you the power we’re dealing with if the Cthulhu fears her). Where her powers were Severely limited (No Projectile weaponry nor Teleportation). Trapped in a Mortal, Ben, she found away to escape that form and become “Glory”, using her god-like abilities drains her power, causing her to morph back into Ben. Immortal and Invulnerable (As Glory she cannot be killed, she can be stunned though and this will return her to her “Ben” form. She’s been crushed in a collapsing brick building (no regression), Hit by a speeding Semi (After expending a lot of energy/time as Glory, she reverted), she was nailed many a time by the Troll hammer, weakened By Willow, the Dagon Sphere, and being hit with a wrecking ball before transforming back in “The Gift”), she is affected mentally by being on earth, and must suck the sanity out of others to maintain her own. Immensely Strong (she ripped a wall off of a dorm room and easily pounded Buffy into stone walls, leaving large dents.), incredibly fast (somewhere around 80mph running speed (She’s at least twice as fast as Buffy)). Beaten until she morphs into Ben by Buffy, then suffocated by Giles.

The Mayor/Pure Demon Olvikan – As the Pure Demon Olvikan, his snake like body exceeds 60ft (that’s all we’re shown, and that’s his NECK), somewhere around 180ft long. The Pure demon has an armored head, spikes along his spine and a mace-like tail. He has a rather thick hide (not hurt much by arrows, spears or Flamethrowers, but enough to keep him at bay). Blone to bits with the high school by Fertilizer bomb.

9) The Judge – Immortal demon sent to separate the evil from the good, and smite the good. He’s big, strong, armored, and blue! He cannot be harmed by a forged weapon (Which is why a Rocket Launcher blows him to bits), even separated; each piece is alive and, if reassembled, will re-awaken the Judge. He can burn the good right out of people in massive numbers, and at a distance (chain reaction kind of thing). Blown to bits and scattered to the corners of the earth by a Rocket-launcher wielding Buffy.

10) The First Evil – Literally the origin of ALL-evil. Not a demon, not even a corporeal entity. Powers unknown. Buffy Foiled his evil plan and he went on to bigger things in unknown areas.

11) Adam - As a “Cyber-Demonoid”, Adam has been pieced together from Human, Demon and mechanical parts. His left arm is equipped with a Polgara Demon’s retractable, bone, arm-skewer (about a meter in length). The other arm contains his main offensive weapon: a mini-gun/grenade launcher. Adam is also incredibly strong, and powered by a uranium core. He is able to feed of electrical bolts of energy. He also has a myriad of sensor equipment including GP2D11 infrared detectors, 140MWS, Microspec 4000 sensors and Harmonic decelerators among others. Adam is much stronger than Buffy, toying with her (stupid villains). Only by merging with her friends and the spirit of the first slayer was Buffy able to finally rip out the uranium core of the Frankenstein wanna-be.

12) “Darth Rosenberg” – Ooo boy…Uber strong witch. Her abilities include the following: Telepathic abilities; Powerful Telekinetic Abilities (strong enough to Break walls/Raise buildings out of the ground (well…at least one tower of one), precise enough to drive vehicles and tear into a victim at a distance; she can also rip off opponent’s skin); Flight (Low Floating/Hover or Transforming herself into a stormy whirlwind); Increase the Density of the Air; Lightning Bolts from Hands; Summoning Abilities (Ghosts, Demons (Root Monsters/earth elementals and Hairy, canine-like Demon), Spirits of Animals); Freeze a being in place; “Sonic Scream” (which killed the mesanger of, or the God Osiris); Healing Abilities, for others and self; Absorb the magic out of another to replenish her own; Store Objects magically; Black, purple-lightning encased Magic ‘Death Rays’ from hands; Magic Force field; Immolate beings/cause spontaneous combustion of a victim; Increase Strength and Durability; Concussion Blast; Learns how to counter magicks quickly so the same trick cannot be used twice – or sometimes even once; Exert her will unto others (Jedi Mind Trick) and Guided “Smart” Fire-Ball. Though she cannot run on her high power for long periods of time, Willow is undoubtedly one of the strongest villains Buffy ever faced.

13) Faith – Slayer gone bad, not as well trained as Buffy…she does know multiple types of torture. She has all the same abilities as Buffy too. Buffy managed to stop her in a true fight only once (stabbed in the gut, fell from a 3 story building onto a moving truck...put into coma for 8 months). Later, Faith turned herself into the authorities on outstanding murder charge. Buffy was no help in that.

14) The Initiative – Elite military group run by a researcher (Stupid). It took them 42 minutes to Track Buffy down. And when they found her, they, on a “Capture” mission”, were neutralized in 28 seconds, using their own tazers against them.

So...can anyone call up a similar list for xena?

...

Please?

[Majin Gojira]

Ah, damn...can't edit....ah well..close enough, you get the idea....

[The Yosemite Bear]

Buffy and Xena go vacationing in the South Pacific and wind up discovering R'yleth.

Ai, ai, Cthutlu.

[Alyrium Denryle]

Dont make me post legolas vs Xander Cage... You all know what that will digress into(VERY pleasant mental picture)

[Romulan_nemesis]

Even if you went through the entire series of Xena, she still kicked the asses of enemies prior to her transformation to good.

I'm going to find a list of all the bad guys on Xena, and I'm going to post it...

Rommie

[Romulan_nemesis]

Let's see............. Now keep in mind Xena defeated one or more of these enemies without lifting a sword or drawing blood.

1. The Titans (Like the uncles and aunts of the Greek Gods)
2. Bacchus (Corrupted God of Wine, king of all baccae (greek word for "vampire"))
3. Callisto (Mega bitch. Has every skill that Xena has (or so she claims) and also became a god in the episode "Necessary Evil"
4. Velasca (Really jacked up amazon warrior. Also became a god if I recall...)
5. Sisyphus (Think of a twisted magician)
6. 8 other warlords following Sisyphus
7. Ares, God of war (on several occassions)
8. The 'Green Dragon' - a pissed off chinese dude from Xena's past
9. Poesidon - God of the sea
10. Discord - Goddess of discord obviously
11. Hephaestus - God of smithworking.
12. Hades - god of the Underworld
13. Artemis - Goddess of the hunt
14. Athena - Goddess of war and wisdom
15. Mephistopheles - the old king of the Christian form of Hell
16. Lucifer - aka Satan (sends him to hell)
17. Gurkhan - a raider
18. The Valkyrie - Some Norse thingies sent by Odin that Xena slaughtered.
19. Caligula (Xena basically beat him to a bloody pulp and he took his own life)
20. Yodoshi - Japanese god thingy.
21. ALti - one of the bitichiest amazon people, won't leave xena or her baby alone, even when she's dead and in the underworld.
22. Indrajit - a hindu god/demon thingy. (Note this episode was banned due to religious conflicts it was called "The Way").

I didnt write that list, so I'm not sure how accurate it actually was. But if memory serves, it is very very accurate. It's pretty short due to the amount of serious enemies Xena has whooped. But the person who sent it to me said that these were among her most major enemies.

While buffy may have defeated more enemies, Xena killed enemies in high places. The toughest of the tough. Actually, I don't know if buffy did defeat as many as Xena, I only took a glance at the list.

Rommie.

[Romulan_nemesis]

I'm not sure if there IS a weapon that Xena hasn't mastered or can't master. She has incredible medical knowledge for someone who is mainly a warrior. She has that pressure point nerve pinch thingy, Her Chakram (always at her side) ANY sword in the world. Her knowledge of Black Powder (Chinese Gun Powder) Cannons, Chobos, Fighting Staff, Breast Dagger thingy, and loads of other things........

Did I mention she also embroiders? and Plays the Lyre?

Xena: I have many skills...

Rommie

[Majin Gojira]

Let's see............. Now keep in mind Xena defeated one or more of these enemies without lifting a sword or drawing blood.

1. The Titans (Like the uncles and aunts of the Greek Gods)
2. Bacchus (Corrupted God of Wine, king of all baccae (greek word for "vampire"))
3. Callisto (Mega bitch. Has every skill that Xena has (or so she claims) and also became a god in the episode "Necessary Evil"
4. Velasca (Really jacked up amazon warrior. Also became a god if I recall...)
5. Sisyphus (Think of a twisted magician)
6. 8 other warlords following Sisyphus
7. Ares, God of war (on several occassions)
8. The 'Green Dragon' - a pissed off chinese dude from Xena's past
9. Poesidon - God of the sea
10. Discord - Goddess of discord obviously
11. Hephaestus - God of smithworking.
12. Hades - god of the Underworld
13. Artemis - Goddess of the hunt
14. Athena - Goddess of war and wisdom
15. Mephistopheles - the old king of the Christian form of Hell
16. Lucifer - aka Satan (sends him to hell)
17. Gurkhan - a raider
18. The Valkyrie - Some Norse thingies sent by Odin that Xena slaughtered.
19. Caligula (Xena basically beat him to a bloody pulp and he took his own life)
20. Yodoshi - Japanese god thingy.
21. ALti - one of the bitichiest amazon people, won't leave xena or her baby alone, even when she's dead and in the underworld.
22. Indrajit - a hindu god/demon thingy. (Note this episode was banned due to religious conflicts it was called "The Way").

I didnt write that list, so I'm not sure how accurate it actually was. But if memory serves, it is very very accurate. It's pretty short due to the amount of serious enemies Xena has whooped. But the person who sent it to me said that these were among her most major enemies.

While buffy may have defeated more enemies, Xena killed enemies in high places. The toughest of the tough. Actually, I don't know if buffy did defeat as many as Xena, I only took a glance at the list.

Rommie.

Um...I did ask for a detailed list of abilities of said baddies as well as how they were defeated. Can you perhaps expand on the list? or ask who wrote it too (Or, better yet, provide a link).

Like...The Titans: How were they defeated? What were they're powers. List even the obviouse, like great Size.

Make the list for people who have probably never seen the show before.

BTW: I had to skim mine down to the "Extremely Powerful" and the Arc Villians.

PS: You forgot Hope, "the Destroyer" and Dahak

[Majin Gojira]

Funny thing: I remember seeing the ep with the Titans in it...If I recall correctly, they were pretty much titanic human beings (Approx 100ft tall). they were indeed, merely scalled up humans - even their skin thickness was similar.

No wonder they were beaten in 1 episode.

Food for thought.