Scary fundie quotes

NapoleonGH · Post by **NapoleonGH** » 2003-05-11 03:48pm

why cant god? he says one thing and does the other that makes him a hypocite

Where does scripture tell us to be racists and have slaves you ask? Look at what happened to Noah's son Ham, and then tell us that it is against scripture to keep slaves.

Hitler was most certainly as christian as anyone else who has claiimed to be christian, he was a good catholic boy, went to church, killed the jews in God's name, and never stoped believing 100% in the christian fairy tale.

EvilGrey · Post by **EvilGrey** » 2003-05-11 03:48pm

Thirdfain wrote:
God cannot be a hypocrite.
"Thou shalt not kill."---Commandmant 6

And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD slew him.
-- Genesis 38:7

Ok, kiddo. Explain how God is NOT being hypocritical here. Some on, don't dance around- answer my question. How is the fairy tale creature known as "God" not depicted as being hypocritical?

God is not subordinate to morality, unless you believe morality is above God, in which case God is not God and morality is God...

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-05-11 03:50pm

EvilGrey wrote:
Thirdfain wrote:
God cannot be a hypocrite.
"Thou shalt not kill."---Commandmant 6

And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD slew him.
-- Genesis 38:7

Ok, kiddo. Explain how God is NOT being hypocritical here. Some on, don't dance around- answer my question. How is the fairy tale creature known as "God" not depicted as being hypocritical?
God is not subordinate to morality, unless you believe morality is above God, in which case God is not God and morality is God...

I thought you were arguing AGAINST subjective morality, and here you are claiming it is subjective and selective! Thanks for proving you're a hypocrit.

EvilGrey · Post by **EvilGrey** » 2003-05-11 03:50pm

NapoleonGH wrote:why cant god? he says one thing and does the other that makes him a hypocite

Where does scripture tell us to be racists and have slaves you ask? Look at what happened to Noah's son Ham, and then tell us that it is against scripture to keep slaves.

Oh God, stop with the OT! We're not obligated to follow it anymore.

Hitler was most certainly as christian as anyone else who has claiimed to be christian, he was a good catholic boy, went to church, killed the jews in God's name, and never stoped believing 100% in the christian fairy tale.

And yet he called Christianity a disease and admired a certain infamous German philosopher.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-05-11 03:51pm

Ah, so your God is above morality- he has ultimate power, is willing to use it to cause pain and harm others, and he is also kind and loving?

It seems that you have a paradox. I guess that tribal story tellers don't worry to much about continuity...

EvilGrey · Post by **EvilGrey** » 2003-05-11 03:51pm

SirNitram wrote:I thought you were arguing AGAINST subjective morality, and here you are claiming it is subjective and selective! Thanks for proving you're a hypocrit.

How you derived this from my statements I cannot begin to fathom.

To God morality is subjective, to us it is quite different.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-05-11 03:53pm

EvilGrey wrote:
NapoleonGH wrote:why cant god? he says one thing and does the other that makes him a hypocite

Where does scripture tell us to be racists and have slaves you ask? Look at what happened to Noah's son Ham, and then tell us that it is against scripture to keep slaves.
Oh God, stop with the OT! We're not obligated to follow it anymore.

OT is to be followed until all prophecies are fufilled, so sayeth your sorry excuse for a savior. Therefore you will acknolwedge it, you little weenie.

Hitler was most certainly as christian as anyone else who has claiimed to be christian, he was a good catholic boy, went to church, killed the jews in God's name, and never stoped believing 100% in the christian fairy tale.
And yet he called Christianity a disease and admired a certain infamous German philosopher.

Of course religion is a disease, in much the same way Humanity is a cancer.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-05-11 03:53pm

Why is your God's morality any different from our own? Explain, please, why your God can kill and murder and do whatever he pleases, and NOT be evil?

EvilGrey · Post by **EvilGrey** » 2003-05-11 03:53pm

Thirdfain wrote:Ah, so your God is above morality- he has ultimate power, is willing to use it to cause pain and harm others, and he is also kind and loving?

He does only what is just and necessary, 'cos ya know, He's freakin' perfect and infallible. Forgot that, didn't you?

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-05-11 03:54pm

EvilGrey wrote:
SirNitram wrote:I thought you were arguing AGAINST subjective morality, and here you are claiming it is subjective and selective! Thanks for proving you're a hypocrit.
How you derived this from my statements I cannot begin to fathom.

To God morality is subjective, to us it is quite different.

Morality is only absolute if all follow it. You claim God does not have to, therefore morality is not absolute. Therefore you, are full of shit. That's how I derived it.

Anyways, it's plain your God is the serial killer/delusional of the Omnitheon. He sits in the corner and coos to his knife while the other Gods play chess with real humans.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-05-11 03:55pm

Killing babies is just?

BTW, drink your fucking poison, asshole. Unless you trust reason and logic more than God? Couldn't be.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-05-11 03:55pm

EvilGrey wrote:
Thirdfain wrote:Ah, so your God is above morality- he has ultimate power, is willing to use it to cause pain and harm others, and he is also kind and loving?
He does only what is just and necessary, 'cos ya know, He's freakin' perfect and infallible. Forgot that, didn't you?

He's quite fallible. Moses talked him out of doing evil. That makes him fallible and nonperfect.

EvilGrey · Post by **EvilGrey** » 2003-05-11 03:56pm

Thirdfain wrote:Why is your God's morality any different from our own? Explain, please, why your God can kill and murder and do whatever he pleases, and NOT be evil?

God has no morality. He is amoral. God can do whatever He wants because no one can judge Him. It is possible to declare Him one thing or another, but in reality our declarations have no effect on Him and His nature.

However, because He is perfect and infallible, we might as well consider God's actions to be just and innately good, though really they're just neutral.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-05-11 03:56pm

He does only what is just and necessary, 'cos ya know, He's freakin' perfect and infallible. Forgot that, didn't you

?

Wait a second- He is perfect and infallible, but he:

A. Doomed the millions of people around the world born in non-christian households to life in Hell, becuase he never sent a saviour to them.

B. Created a mother church which has perpetrated untold suffering and misery.

C. Ordained a bible which is provably false in numerous occasions (young earth creationism? HA!)

So, explain to me: How is he perfect and infallible?
Better yet, how is he any different from the Muslim Allah, who is Perfect and Infallible?

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-05-11 03:57pm

EvilGrey wrote:
Thirdfain wrote:Why is your God's morality any different from our own? Explain, please, why your God can kill and murder and do whatever he pleases, and NOT be evil?
God has no morality. He is amoral. God can do whatever He wants because no one can judge Him. It is possible to declare Him one thing or another, but in reality our declarations have no effect on Him and His nature.

However, because He is perfect and infallible, we might as well consider God's actions to be just and innately good, though really they're just neutral.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!

Do you believe everything you're told by a 'religious' person?

Maybe I should inform this guy of the prophecies surrounding me.

EvilGrey · Post by **EvilGrey** » 2003-05-11 03:58pm

SirNitram wrote:Morality is only absolute if all follow it. You claim God does not have to, therefore morality is not absolute. Therefore you, are full of shit. That's how I derived it.

Anyways, it's plain your God is the serial killer/delusional of the Omnitheon. He sits in the corner and coos to his knife while the other Gods play chess with real humans.

Any moral edict God decrees is absolute because God's power forever changes the nature morality. It has nothing to do with number of adherents.

NapoleonGH · Post by **NapoleonGH** » 2003-05-11 03:58pm

Jesus was a human and he acted immorally as well.

He refused to heal someone, simply because they didnt believe in him, refusing medical assistance due to someone's beliefs, about as immoral as they come. Sorry but to christians morality is reletive, regardless of how many times you wanna ignore the truth.

Fact is im getting sick of all these fundie idiots making the same unsubstantiated claims over and over and in the process demonstrating that I, a man who has only attended a church's services for weddings and funerals, know more about their religion and their holy book than they do.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-05-11 04:00pm

Yeah! I mean, Geeze, EvilGrey- you can't argue with SirNitram, after all, in the Book of the Black Mage, isn't it said:

"And SirNitram spoke only truth, and saw only reality, and knew all, and did only that which was perfect." -Revulsions, 8:13

Ha HA! now, your argument is smashed- after all, I have blind faith in SirNitram, and his Book says he is always right, so you can't argue against him!

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-05-11 04:01pm

Thirdfain wrote:Yeah! I mean, Geeze, EvilGrey- you can't argue with SirNitram, after all, in the Book of the Black Mage, isn't it said:

"And SirNitram spoke only truth, and saw only reality, and knew all, and did only that which was perfect." -Revulsions, 8:13

Ha HA! now, your argument is smashed- after all, I have blind faith in SirNitram, and his Book says he is always right, so you can't argue against him!

You forgot the verse about distributing seventy three virgins to all the members of the STGOD, and declaring Saturday to be the day of Beer And Pizza.

EvilGrey · Post by **EvilGrey** » 2003-05-11 04:02pm

Thirdfain wrote:Wait a second- He is perfect and infallible, but he:

A. Doomed the millions of people around the world born in non-christian households to life in Hell, becuase he never sent a saviour to them.

Ummm, no. Read Romans 4.

B. Created a mother church which has perpetrated untold suffering and misery.

He didn't create the Catholic Church...

C. Ordained a bible which is provably false in numerous occasions (young earth creationism? HA!)

Archaeology is the Bible's best friend, as one fundie I know likes to say.

The Bible makes no claim as to when the Earth was created, or precisely how. Evolution and Big Bang theory are not incompatible with the Bible.

So, explain to me: How is he perfect and infallible?
Better yet, how is he any different from the Muslim Allah, who is Perfect and Infallible?

Allah is a variation of the God concept, and a most vile one at that. God is love, not blind devotion and senseless ritual.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-05-11 04:03pm

EvilGrey wrote:
SirNitram wrote:Morality is only absolute if all follow it. You claim God does not have to, therefore morality is not absolute. Therefore you, are full of shit. That's how I derived it.

Anyways, it's plain your God is the serial killer/delusional of the Omnitheon. He sits in the corner and coos to his knife while the other Gods play chess with real humans.
Any moral edict God decrees is absolute because God's power forever changes the nature morality. It has nothing to do with number of adherents.

Alright. My power forever changes the nature of reality itself, ergo I too am perfect and beyond morality. Therefore, what I say is right and you are a dipshit.

Hobot · Post by **Hobot** » 2003-05-11 04:05pm

EvilGrey wrote:
So, explain to me: How is he perfect and infallible?
Better yet, how is he any different from the Muslim Allah, who is Perfect and Infallible?
Allah is a variation of the God concept, and a most vile one at that. God is love, not blind devotion and senseless ritual.

How is God love if he has no qualms about commiting genocide, infanticide, and other hateful acts?

EvilGrey · Post by **EvilGrey** » 2003-05-11 04:06pm

NapoleonGH wrote:Jesus was a human and he acted immorally as well.

He refused to heal someone, simply because they didnt believe in him, refusing medical assistance due to someone's beliefs, about as immoral as they come. Sorry but to christians morality is reletive, regardless of how many times you wanna ignore the truth.

Fact is im getting sick of all these fundie idiots making the same unsubstantiated claims over and over and in the process demonstrating that I, a man who has only attended a church's services for weddings and funerals, know more about their religion and their holy book than they do.

Jesus is God, He can do whatever He wants without negating His perfection.

It may very well be true that morality is relative, but is it not better to believe otherwise?

And finally, the only one here making unsubstantiated claims are the atheists, whose ignorance of religious philosophy causes them to throw strawmans and fallacious arguments at me.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-05-11 04:06pm

God is love, not blind devotion and senseless ritual.

Ah, ok. Allow me to remind you of a few things:
EvilGrey said:

To God morality is subjective, to us it is quite different

Any moral edict God decrees is absolute because God's power forever changes the nature morality. It has nothing to do with number of adherents.

Here is something for you to contemplate: It is not evil for God to commit actions which men deem evil.

You have already conceded that God is a murderer, who has no morals. How is this NOT evil? How is this LOVE?

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-05-11 04:07pm

EvilGrey wrote:
NapoleonGH wrote:Jesus was a human and he acted immorally as well.

He refused to heal someone, simply because they didnt believe in him, refusing medical assistance due to someone's beliefs, about as immoral as they come. Sorry but to christians morality is reletive, regardless of how many times you wanna ignore the truth.

Fact is im getting sick of all these fundie idiots making the same unsubstantiated claims over and over and in the process demonstrating that I, a man who has only attended a church's services for weddings and funerals, know more about their religion and their holy book than they do.
Jesus is God, He can do whatever He wants without negating His perfection.

It may very well be true that morality is relative, but is it not better to believe otherwise?

And finally, the only one here making unsubstantiated claims are the atheists, whose ignorance of religious philosophy causes them to throw strawmans and fallacious arguments at me.

You just don't want to accept the moral authority of The Black Mage. HERETIC!