Scary fundie quotes

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-05-11 07:45pm

And ANSWER MY FUCKING QUESTION; from what do you derive your theistic beliefs, and from this point how do you rationalize them?

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-05-11 07:47pm

A moral absolute can only be ordained by God. Without God, morality is nothing more than personal convictions.

Or apriori rules that are self-evident in their goodness.

EvilGrey · Post by **EvilGrey** » 2003-05-11 07:47pm

DarthBlight wrote:Is a mod going to take this guy and give him his title and the HOSing he so rightly deserves?

Assuming there is a God, he is bound to the morality he decrees. Any ethical/virtuous/moral ruler follows the rules he makes. Oh, wait, that's right! Since God is supposedly above the morality he decrees so he isn't bound by it at all. Gosh, that sounds exactly like Mustapha Mond, "I make the rules here, I can break them. With impunity . . . " What a role model.

Pretending you can understand the nature of an infinite, transcendant entity is the height of delusion. You think of God in terms of a man, when He is not a man.

Arrow · Post by **Arrow** » 2003-05-11 07:48pm

Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:What the hell happened here?

A wall of ignorance met a wall of logic.

NapoleonGH · Post by **NapoleonGH** » 2003-05-11 07:48pm

prove it evilgrey.

why does morality have to come from your god?

I could say there are certain unalienable laws of nature, morality so to speak, that exists without god with only nature itself as the defining force.

as I DO say, there is a universal constant in morality, cause NO unnecessary harm, i say that is an objective truth. Why am I wrong and some random dead jewish guys right?

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-05-11 07:48pm

A moral absolute can only be ordained by God. Without God, morality is nothing more than personal convictions.

So, what you are saying is: I have no god, therefore, I have no morals.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-05-11 07:48pm

EvilGrey wrote:
DarthBlight wrote:Is a mod going to take this guy and give him his title and the HOSing he so rightly deserves?

Assuming there is a God, he is bound to the morality he decrees. Any ethical/virtuous/moral ruler follows the rules he makes. Oh, wait, that's right! Since God is supposedly above the morality he decrees so he isn't bound by it at all. Gosh, that sounds exactly like Mustapha Mond, "I make the rules here, I can break them. With impunity . . . " What a role model.
Pretending you can understand the nature of an infinite, transcendant entity is the height of delusion. You think of God in terms of a man, when He is not a man.

He is neither infinite nor transcendent. Indeed, the very first book of the Bible, Genesis, clearly shows the only differences between Man and God as of the casting-out of Adam and Eve were that God had eaten from the Tree Of Life, and was immortal. God is merely a long lived human, by his very own words.

Edit: Spelling mistake.

Post by **Dalton** » 2003-05-11 07:49pm

EvilGrey wrote:You are not God, you cannot define the nature of morality.

Yes I can.

EvilGrey wrote:Try again.

Uh-huh.

DarthBlight · Post by **DarthBlight** » 2003-05-11 07:50pm

EvilGrey wrote:
DarthBlight wrote:Is a mod going to take this guy and give him his title and the HOSing he so rightly deserves?

Assuming there is a God, he is bound to the morality he decrees. Any ethical/virtuous/moral ruler follows the rules he makes. Oh, wait, that's right! Since God is supposedly above the morality he decrees so he isn't bound by it at all. Gosh, that sounds exactly like Mustapha Mond, "I make the rules here, I can break them. With impunity . . . " What a role model.
Pretending you can understand the nature of an infinite, transcendant entity is the height of delusion. You think of God in terms of a man, when He is not a man.

Prove it, bitch.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-05-11 07:50pm

Pretending you can understand the nature of an infinite, transcendant entity is the height of delusion. You think of God in terms of a man, when He is not a man.

Creating a mythological figure to explain what your limited mind can not is the height of stupidity. You think of the universe in terms of God, when it is not.

EvilGrey · Post by **EvilGrey** » 2003-05-11 07:51pm

For those who claim universal, absolute, objective morality can exist without a God, I posit you this question:

If all life were to perish in the universe, would morality still exist?

If you say no, then you must also concede that the morality you claimed as universal, absolute, and objective is nothing of the kind. If that morality ceases with all life, then that morality was only the creation of living beings.

See, God can only make universal and absolute morals.

EvilGrey · Post by **EvilGrey** » 2003-05-11 07:52pm

Thirdfain wrote:
A moral absolute can only be ordained by God. Without God, morality is nothing more than personal convictions.
So, what you are saying is: I have no god, therefore, I have no morals.

Stalin: I have no God, therefore I make my own morals.

DarthBlight · Post by **DarthBlight** » 2003-05-11 07:52pm

EvilGrey wrote:For those who claim universal, absolute, objective morality can exist without a God, I posit you this question:

If all life were to perish in the universe, would morality still exist?

If you say no, then you must also concede that the morality you claimed as universal, absolute, and objective is nothing of the kind. If that morality ceases with all life, then that morality was only the creation of living beings.

See, God can only make universal and absolute morals.

Without life, what's the fucking point of morality?

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-05-11 07:53pm

EvilGrey wrote:For those who claim universal, absolute, objective morality can exist without a God, I posit you this question:

If all life were to perish in the universe, would morality still exist?

If you say no, then you must also concede that the morality you claimed as universal, absolute, and objective is nothing of the kind. If that morality ceases with all life, then that morality was only the creation of living beings.

See, God can only make universal and absolute morals.

That's an interesting leap in logic. Care to support it? Or, indeed, answer my question? Or have you conceeded two arguments so quickly?

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-05-11 07:53pm

If all life were to perish in the universe, would morality still exist?

Morality is a product of life, therefore, if all life in the universe were to perish, then morality would cease to exist.

except of course for the Spoon of SirNitram, symbol of the creation of morality, which is enshrined in my sig.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-05-11 07:53pm

If all life were to perish in the universe, would morality still exist?

If the human race disappeared for a hundred years and reappeared soon after in the same state, the same humanist moral code would still apply. The universal humanist moral code is good for humans at all times, eternally.

NapoleonGH · Post by **NapoleonGH** » 2003-05-11 07:54pm

I AM saying that morality comes from life, for what is the need for morality without life. Regardless morality can BE universal FOR life, or more accurately for self aware sentient life.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-05-11 07:55pm

EvilGrey wrote:
Thirdfain wrote:
A moral absolute can only be ordained by God. Without God, morality is nothing more than personal convictions.
So, what you are saying is: I have no god, therefore, I have no morals.
Stalin: I have no God, therefore I make my own morals.

Christian Crusader: The morality of my God demands that I travel east and slaughter thousands of innocent people.

EvilGrey · Post by **EvilGrey** » 2003-05-11 07:55pm

Thirdfain wrote:
If all life were to perish in the universe, would morality still exist?
Morality is a product of life, therefore, if all life in the universe were to perish, then morality would cease to exist.

Then morality cannot be universal and absolute. If it were, then it must continue to exist even in the abscence of life.

I know, it seems strange, but it really isn't.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-05-11 07:55pm

Stalin: I have no God, therefore I make my own morals.

God: I have no morals, therefore, I kill anyone I want.

Hmm, hmm hmm....

EvilGrey · Post by **EvilGrey** » 2003-05-11 07:56pm

Durran Korr wrote:
If all life were to perish in the universe, would morality still exist?

If the human race disappeared for a hundred years and reappeared soon after in the same state, the same humanist moral code would still apply. The universal humanist moral code is good for humans at all times, eternally.

You claim morality is a self-existent and immutable thing?

How odd...

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-05-11 07:56pm

EvilGrey wrote:
Thirdfain wrote:
If all life were to perish in the universe, would morality still exist?
Morality is a product of life, therefore, if all life in the universe were to perish, then morality would cease to exist.
Then morality cannot be universal and absolute. If it were, then it must continue to exist even in the abscence of life.

I know, it seems strange, but it really isn't.

If there was no universe, there would be no laws of the universe. But the laws of the universe are universal within this universe, as the laws of morality are universal within life.

DarthBlight · Post by **DarthBlight** » 2003-05-11 07:56pm

So what, you little shit? You never answered our counter: What's the fucking point of morality without life?

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-05-11 07:57pm

EvilGrey wrote:
Thirdfain wrote:
If all life were to perish in the universe, would morality still exist?
Morality is a product of life, therefore, if all life in the universe were to perish, then morality would cease to exist.
Then morality cannot be universal and absolute. If it were, then it must continue to exist even in the abscence of life.

I know, it seems strange, but it really isn't.

Morality will still exist, enshrined in the information left behind, because information cannot be destroyed.

EvilGrey · Post by **EvilGrey** » 2003-05-11 07:57pm

Thirdfain wrote:
Stalin: I have no God, therefore I make my own morals.
God: I have no morals, therefore, I kill anyone I want.

Hmm, hmm hmm....

Do you have a problem with that?

Thirdfain: I hate God because He can do whatever He wants and I can't!