Ship classes in the Imperial Navy

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-05-11 01:44am

Between the Star Destroyer and the Executor-class command ships, what other classes fill the gap?

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2003-05-11 02:47am

In the EU (comic books specificially) there is the Allegiance-class Star Destroyer, at 2.2 klicks. Then there's Admiral Giel's (presumably Corellian) flagship, which is roughly 7 klicks.

You can check out the Imperial Star Destroyers page at the SWTC if you want more.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-05-11 05:46am

Crayz9000 wrote:
You can check out the Imperial Star Destroyers page at the SWTC if you want more.

Yep, he has an extensive list of every dagger-shaped Imperial warship. Including my beloved Hunchback Battlecruiser.

Super-Gagme · Post by **Super-Gagme** » 2003-05-11 07:36am

Yeah, gotta love that site. If an artist has even a pixel in difference on comics it MUST be a new type of Star Destroyer, god forbid its just artistic representation!

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2003-05-11 08:39am

Super-Gagme
Yeah, but if the artist forgot that the ISD has 3 engines instead of 5 or that the ISD has a huge docking bay that's not exactly "pixel difference"

white_rabbit · Post by **white_rabbit** » 2003-05-11 11:08am

Stas Bush wrote:Super-Gagme
Yeah, but if the artist forgot that the ISD has 3 engines instead of 5 or that the ISD has a huge docking bay that's not exactly "pixel difference"

He does have a point though,

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-05-11 11:17am

Super-Gagme wrote:Yeah, gotta love that site. If an artist has even a pixel in difference on comics it MUST be a new type of Star Destroyer, god forbid its just artistic representation!

Maybe you should notice most of them look completely different.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-05-11 12:13pm

I rather wish the WEG SSD class existed. I mean both the Executor AND the WEG SSD. 8km long "standard" Super Star Destroyers would actualy have been very smart ideas for the fleet. Allegiance class makes for a nice heavy ship while not being absurdly large. The 8km SSD would make for a supreme force flag and they could be built in semi large numbers. The Executor makes for an excelent command ship and super carrier. The Eclipse makes for a nice fleet Flagship while the Sovereign is a cheaper alternative that can be mass produced more easily.

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2003-05-11 12:26pm

Super-Gagme wrote:Yeah, gotta love that site. If an artist has even a pixel in difference on comics it MUST be a new type of Star Destroyer, god forbid its just artistic representation!

Tell me, how many of these ships look less than a few pixels different from each other?

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2003-05-11 01:20pm

Alyeska

I rather wish the WEG SSD class existed.

I don't think that it really matters for the Empire which made both DS to produce a 17,5 mk long ship or a 8 km long ship.
In fact, there are a lot of ships near to 8 km long, although unidentified in the EU

And in fact, the Giel's CS, which is one of the pre-production Executor designs, is about 8 km long. And it is a fleet flag. Just the ship you need.
So the ship exists - it's just the case that it's not named "Super-class" which is a corruption of slang.

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-05-11 02:20pm

You forget that the Imps have frigates, destroyers, gunships, and dreadnoughts coming out of their asses like a bad case of the shits.

Super-Gagme · Post by **Super-Gagme** » 2003-05-11 02:41pm

Tell me, how many of these ships look less than a few pixels different from each other?

Yeah the bigger ones are obviously larger different ships, but look at a lot of the smaller ships, are you trying to tell me all of those (ISD sized) ships are different kinds of Star Destroyers? If I could be bothered I woule circle them, honestly most of them just look like the artist couldn't be perfect every time.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-05-11 02:43pm

Alyeska wrote:I rather wish the WEG SSD class existed. I mean both the Executor AND the WEG SSD. 8km long "standard" Super Star Destroyers would actualy have been very smart ideas for the fleet. Allegiance class makes for a nice heavy ship while not being absurdly large. The 8km SSD would make for a supreme force flag and they could be built in semi large numbers. The Executor makes for an excelent command ship and super carrier. The Eclipse makes for a nice fleet Flagship while the Sovereign is a cheaper alternative that can be mass produced more easily.

http://www.theforce.net/swtc/dagger.html#cruiser5
http://www.theforce.net/swtc/dagger.html#vengeance
http://www.theforce.net/swtc/dagger.html#battleship2
http://www.theforce.net/swtc/dagger.html#giel
http://www.theforce.net/swtc/dagger.html#battleship3

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-05-11 02:44pm

Super-Gagme wrote:
Yeah the bigger ones are obviously larger different ships, but look at a lot of the smaller ships, are you trying to tell me all of those (ISD sized) ships are different kinds of Star Destroyers? If I could be bothered I woule circle them, honestly most of them just look like the artist couldn't be perfect every time.

Those 3 ISD sized above the Executor?

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-05-11 03:00pm

Some of Saxton's cruisers and destroyers are somewhat iffy.

And the big ship from the Art of SW or whatever doesn't appear to be in-continuity.

But generally he appears to be right.

nightmare · Post by **nightmare** » 2003-05-11 04:50pm

The only ones I disagree with is the [anonymous star destroyer #2].

I think those are regular 1600 m Star Destroyers, and the Allegiance is a minimum of 2800 m long. I had a post about it somewhere here.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-05-11 05:16pm

It has only 3 engines.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2003-05-11 05:28pm

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:
Super-Gagme wrote:
Yeah the bigger ones are obviously larger different ships, but look at a lot of the smaller ships, are you trying to tell me all of those (ISD sized) ships are different kinds of Star Destroyers? If I could be bothered I woule circle them, honestly most of them just look like the artist couldn't be perfect every time.
Those 3 ISD sized above the Executor?

Actualy, I see 7 ships that look like ISD's, 5 ships that are too small to make out any details except a general dagger shape, and 4 ships that look like an artistic rendition of the classic ISD.

I agree with the above, that the bigger ships like Griels ship and some of the others are plainly different ships. But in the comics, artistic license in some of the pictures showing ISD's are being interperted as different ships.

nightmare · Post by **nightmare** » 2003-05-11 05:44pm

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:It has only 3 engines.

But that's not enough to assume it's 1200 m long. It looks very much like a regular SD besides very minor things. The engines is the largest difference, and it's not much of a difference at all. Not compared to say, the Tagge SD which has many features differing from a standard SD.

The second example of Allegiance is scaled against the Salla's ship. The third is scaled against the Eclipse. We know the lenght of both, and the explanation fits either way, though I would say it fits better with the upper size, plus there is no reason to develop a 1200 m class SD with flimsy support at best, particularly when it fits 1600 m just as well or better. Consider 2200 m a low end number for the Allegiance rather than the actual size, and you come closer to reason.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-05-11 05:46pm

[img]http://supreme_sheridan.tripod.com/images/imp_warships1.txt[/img]

Number's 1,2 and 3 are all ISDs, mearly different marks.

Number 4 is smaller than a ISD and has only 3 engines, among other things.

Number 5 is smaller, has a Victory like bridge, and no hanger.

Numbers 6 and 7 are Victories.

(original image by Curtis Saxton).

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-05-11 06:15pm

nightmare wrote:Allegiance is a minimum of 2800 m long. I had a post about it somewhere here.

*whistles*

That'd put it in very heavy destroyer or even light cruiser status.

Striderteen · Post by **Striderteen** » 2003-05-11 08:18pm

The Allegiance class heavy destroyers appear to be optimized for ship-to-ship combat -- they lack the large main hangar seen in most other Imperial warships and also seem to have much thicker hull armoring. They are typically deployed as escort craft alongside larger starcruisers and command ships; the Eclipse, for example, was usually accompanied by three or four Allegiances.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2003-05-11 11:59pm

The Allegiance class heavy destroyers appear to be optimized for ship-to-ship combat

Allegiance served as a command ship at Calamari, actually. So perhaps it's more a small command ship then just a usual heavy star destroyer. Or, may it be, the Empire was lacking proper command ships and just used one of the allegiances.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-05-12 12:05am

The Empire's destroyers--such as the Imperator and Allegiance, seem to be equipped with the C4I abilities to serve as a command vessel. During the Civil War often the Imperial destroyers were facing no ships larger than a mile, and to use Giel-style battleship for flag operations in most cases would be a waste of military materiel.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-05-12 07:59am

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote: http://www.theforce.net/swtc/dagger.html#cruiser5

That's the one I refer to as the "Hunchback Battlecruiser."

Those 3 ISD sized above the Executor?

Those are ISDs.