NapoleonGH wrote:Dozer represents one of the people who aids in removing people from the cave and showing them the "real world" his death acts to further show how the ignorant people in the cave would be willing to do anything to maintain their world, seeing as how Cypher was the one who killed him.
So, Dozer is a symbol of femininity? WTF?
The two running out of bullets works to show that the person who knows about the outside world cannot use simple tricks to defeat those who are the keepers (the people who carry the puppets bbehind the wall to show the shadows) and remove their illusion, rather he must beat them on their own terms, make the people aware that they live in an illusion and do it slowly. Likewise the keeper cannot use a simple trick or a quick fix (such as shooting someone) to get rid of the enlightened person when he returns to the cave.
That makes little or no sense, when given the volume of other bullets that went flying about, previously.
Moreover, if the only way in which you can connect symbolism is internal (ie. not pertaining to anything outside of the film, and therefore inherently worthless except to further the understanding of the STORY of the film), then you've already lost, since that shows that symbolism of "The Matrix" is designed not to advocate a philosophy, but rather to enhance the understanding of the plot of the film itself.
I still dont get your point. BTW garuantee there are things in serendipity that have nothign to do with the symbolism/philosophy. For instance, why is random building/car that happens to be in the background for 10 frames color X instead of color Y.
Look, if you just keep naming random things in the multitude of movies I gave you as examples of better thematic films than "The Matrix," eventually you're going to come across something that I haven't thought deeply enough about to understand. You can even do that with the book [/u]Lord of the Flies[/u], even though I've spent years researching it and teaching it. I obviously don't understand "Serendipity" particularly well, since I've only seen it once, and I would need to know a LOT more about the scene in question before I was to discuss what it actually means with any degree of confidene as to the conclusions, however I can tell you that "Serendipity" is designed and written as a symbolic film, though its symbolism is also weighted heavily towards the allusion and internal symbol (though, to be fair to "Serendipity," its allusions make much more sense than the ones used by "The Matrix").
I think you will admit that Dozer is a recurring character throughout "The Matrix," and that if the film is actually intended as an allegory then he should stand for something fairly clear that is applicable either to the philosophy of the film or to something else in real life. Your inability to convincingly explain what he represents (or present any relevant information about what he's in the film to show) does not exactly fill me with confidence at how tightly knit "The Matrix" actually is.
The point of this whole thing is simple: "The Matrix" is no more symbolic than any number of other films on the market, today. People claiming they see more in it than even the better films out there are either:
1. Ignoring the symbolism in other films,
2. Making shit up where it doesn't exist,
or
3. Recognizing the symbolism in other films, but believing it to be significantly less substantial than it actually is.
People claiming that "The Matrix" distinguished itself not only visually, but also in terms of symbolism, are thus incorrect. "The Matrix" is far less deep and engrossing than the other films that I named, which all present consistent philosophies, symbols, and allusions designed to further the understanding of the film and the message behind the film, as opposed to Matrix's attempts to confuse and disorient, rather than inform.
