Scary fundie quotes

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-05-12 04:02am

EvilGrey wrote:If you have no God to decree morality, then whence does it come?! Man-made?! Reducing morality from a universal absolute to individual convictions is most dangerous...

As I always said, religion is a crutch that you use when you have no moral compass. Somebody needs to tell you which is wrong and which is right, because you can't tell on your own. That's why in some cases I DO believe that religion is necessary, because without it, you and all the other mindless drones that can't tell right from wrong would go rampant and begin slaughtering millions and raping women and children.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-05-12 04:12am

EvilGrey wrote:
Thirdfain wrote:Ah, so your God is above morality- he has ultimate power, is willing to use it to cause pain and harm others, and he is also kind and loving?
He does only what is just and necessary, 'cos ya know, He's freakin' perfect and infallible. Forgot that, didn't you?

A perfect, infallible being cannot make imperfect, fallible things. Yet alledgedly God did both. He failed to make a perfect world. And according to you, God is perfect, but men ain't. That makes him a failure.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-05-12 04:14am

EvilGrey wrote:
Thirdfain wrote:Why is your God's morality any different from our own? Explain, please, why your God can kill and murder and do whatever he pleases, and NOT be evil?
God has no morality. He is amoral. God can do whatever He wants because no one can judge Him. It is possible to declare Him one thing or another, but in reality our declarations have no effect on Him and His nature.

However, because He is perfect and infallible, we might as well consider God's actions to be just and innately good, though really they're just neutral.

-Why are god's actions just and innately good?
Because he is perfect and infallible.
-How do you know that he is perfect and infallible?
Because his actions are just and innately good.

Sad, very sad troll

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-05-12 04:20am

EvilGrey wrote:
NapoleonGH wrote:
Thirdfain wrote:Then how can God be love? If you can't be judged as evil, then you can't be judged as good, either.
excelent point man, if we cannot judge god to be evil, how can we judge him to be good, it must work both ways.
God is amoral, but in virtue of His perfection and infallibity we might as well consider Him to be good.

God is amoral, but in virtue of his imperfection and fallibility, we might as well consider him to be evil.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-05-12 04:23am

EvilGrey wrote:
Hobot wrote:You only said that God is above morality and amoral. That doesn't explain how is love. At best, he is cold and heartless.
That's like saying a pencil is cold and heartless.

A pencil is love

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-05-12 04:26am

EvilGrey wrote:He can do no evil, so what's your point?

He can do no good. Since he is above judgement, we can't judge him right and good and just and loving. Too bad, god, you're just a mindless entity then.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-05-12 04:30am

EvilGrey wrote:
Hendrake wrote:Yep. That's it. The thread delivers what it says. Scary fundy quotes all right, and pretty stupid ones at that.
Says the idiot.

Stop looking at the mirror!

Utsanomiko · Post by **Utsanomiko** » 2003-05-12 04:33am

Why even pretend god exist, or that the bible has any sort of meaning or weight? It only means you'rey playing along with EvilGrey's little spineless delusions and 1-dimensional morality.

Just leave it at "the concept of god does not conform to reality. The bible is merely contradictory stories written by men. Only weak-minded sheep who cannot grasp seccular humanism fail to find objective morality."

This moron's 'argument' isn't even based on anything real; it's one big fucking lie.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-05-12 06:28am

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:Why are Fundies constantly saying athiests are Satanists?

Smoke and mirrors, they have to draw attention away from the fact that on an objective investigation, their god is far more evil than Satan.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-05-12 06:37am

Azeleys wrote:I guess at this point in my life I shouldn't really be surprised by the inability of most atheists to distinguish between fundie ideology and enlightened spirituality.

It must be all that bitterness and contempt that is common to their nature.

How strange, first you portray generalizations as a bad thing, then you go ahead and do one yourself.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-05-12 06:39am

EvilGrey wrote:
Frank Hipper wrote:With the exception of bigots and the irrational, that is.
Query: Is irrationality not an intrinsic quality of the atheistic ideology?

Answer: No that is an intristic quality of spiritualitsic ideologies

JodoForce · Post by **JodoForce** » 2003-05-12 09:22am

For some reason I took the bother to put together this full analysis of EvilGrey's 'arguments'... I only took the more sensible ones of course

Key: Numbered points in 'arguments' are premises, except the last numbered point, which is the conclusion. Numbered points in counter-arguments are comments on the corresponding numbered point in the corresponding argument.

Argument for ‘Christianity is good’:
1. Only those acting morally believers
2. (1) All believers act morally
3. (2) Christianity is good

Counter-argument:
1. ‘Believe in god’ = believe in the existence of god. Does not directly imply moral behaviour. Example: devils believe in god.
2. Not established because (1) is not established
3. Not established because (2) is not established

Argument for ‘Atheism is bad’:
1. Atheists don’t believe in god
2. God is the only possible source of moral absolutes
3. (2) Atheists don’t believe in moral absolutes
4. (3) Atheists follow their own morals OR believe in moral relativism
5. Man-made morals tend to be bad; believing in moral relativism is even worse
6. (4, 5) Atheists tend to follow bad morals or become very bad people due to belief in moral relativism (the first part could also stand on itself as a premise without support)
7. Those who believe in God all follow God’s morals
8. God’s morals are good
9. (7, 8 ) Those who believe in God follow good morals
10. (6, 9) Atheism is bad compared to Christianity

Counter-argument:
1. True.
2. Could be true or false. It is possible that examination of the outside world combined with reflection on general human nature could yield moral absolutes.
3. Could be true or false. Does not follow from 2. Even if there are no other source of moral absolutes atheists can still have delusional belief in moral absolutes.
4. Follows from (3) but (3) is not established.
5. Could be true or false. See secular humanists. And certainly moral relativists as a group do not have a reputation for being assholes. Those who have had enough education to explicitly embrace moral relativism as a philosophy tend not to be criminals.
6. Not established because (4) and (5) are not established. As for standing on its own as a premise, depends on history. As others have pointed out it’s a complete wash between what bad deeds theists and atheists have done.
7. False. See counterargument for ‘Christianity is good’.
8. Could be true or false. The biggest problem is that God’s morals are not well established by the Bible and different people have different interpretations of what those morals should be. See fundamentalists for an example of people with bad interpretations.
9. Not established because 7 and 8 are not established.
10. Not established because 6 and 9 are not established.

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2003-05-12 12:03pm

Azeleys wrote:Why do I get the impression that you people are of the mindset "What the fundie believes, all followers of that religion believe?"

Because your merely a confused individual. Stick around and be educated no matter what your ways are.

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2003-05-12 12:04pm

Azeleys wrote:I guess at this point in my life I shouldn't really be surprised by the inability of most atheists to distinguish between fundie ideology and enlightened spirituality.

It must be all that bitterness and contempt that is common to their nature.

Your just pulling straws out of your ass and flinging them into the crowd now bub.

I'm atheist, and I'm bitter. However, I'm bitter and atheist because I was Catholic. Do you know what that does to someone? That's right, I should be out killing you and your kind en masse, hombre. Have a nice day.

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2003-05-12 12:09pm

EvilGrey wrote:Bitterness and atheism go hand-in-hand. When there is one, definitely expect the presence of the other!

You are a misguided individual. The only atheist I know are not bitter. They just don't understand the hardcore fundy like yourself. However, I am bitter, and like I posted to the other newbie, it's because of my former religion. In fact, most people who are devoutly religous are often more bitter than normal individuals. They seem to have this belief that it is thier right to be better for no reason other than they 'believe'. That's fine, if you have faith in something, or believe in anything that shows something in your character. Being blind to everything else and thinking you have to right to be a child throwing a tempertantrum then stomping all over my lego playground just gets your holy ass kicked.

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2003-05-12 12:15pm

EvilGrey wrote:
Frank Hipper wrote:
EvilGrey wrote:I felt compelled to preach truth?
SUPER!
Now, enlighten me.
How, exactly, is the ideology of atheism irrational?
Moral relativism, no absolute right and wrong, no spirituality, no hope... need I continue?

Man, your just fueling my post count right now bub.
Hmm, moral relativism. The truth is what I live by. Not fairy tales.
There is an absolute right and wrong. Being a bigot and wishing suffering on people's and thier ways of which you do not understand is WRONG. Being kind to them and allowing them to be a person, that is RIGHT. Sprituality. Atheism is not acknowledging the existence of God. There are atheists who still believe there is something more.
Hope. I didn't have hope when I was Catholic. Looking out into the crowd and being told that they are 'God's' people was just absolutely terrifying. Now I walk around and see nature, and the future, and by George it's great!

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2003-05-12 12:22pm

EvilGrey wrote:
No, a dangerous implication of your destructive ideology.

When was the last time an atheism group went on 'crusades'. Yeah. Pour that shit in your coffee and stir it up.

I think you'll seldom find an atheist who does not believe his beliefs are right and all others are wrong, hence the comment, the veracity of which is quite tenable.

I do not know everything in the world. I learn something new everyday. If I'm wrong I'm wrong, and I move to find out what's right. Except in your case. I'm waiting for you to go down in flames.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2003-05-12 12:47pm

This EvilGrey guy is just a worthless troll. He has nothing constructive to say. He is just here to stir up shit. I'd imagine he is nothing more than some 14 year old fundie who can find nothing better to do with his life but sit in front of a computer an snipe from afar. Pathetic to say the least. How much longer till we VI or FM this moron?

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2003-05-12 12:57pm

Wicked Pilot wrote:This EvilGrey guy is just a worthless troll. He has nothing constructive to say. He is just here to stir up shit. I'd imagine he is nothing more than some 14 year old fundie who can find nothing better to do with his life but sit in front of a computer an snipe from afar. Pathetic to say the least. How much longer till we VI or FM this moron?

If we give him a VI or FM title, he'll probably whine about how we're being unfair and cowardly along with his aruguments which he refuses to concede for the rest of the time he's here. However, he's done enough to deserve some sort of identification, and I say he deserves an FM title. He'll probably be back on later to repeat the same argument without reading the rebuttals, if he lasted one day and 70+ posts.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-05-12 02:28pm

I think he deserves the suggested "Waste of Base Acids" title.

Post by **Kuja** » 2003-05-13 02:07am

DPDarkPrimus wrote:I think he deserves the suggested "Waste of Base Acids" title.

Agreed, and throw in a ban, just for kicks.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-05-13 10:07am

He'll eventually go away if he can't win any debates.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-05-13 10:31am

IG-88E wrote:
DPDarkPrimus wrote:I think he deserves the suggested "Waste of Base Acids" title.
Agreed, and throw in a ban, just for kicks.

Id vote for that.

NapoleonGH · Post by **NapoleonGH** » 2003-05-13 03:24pm

no need he has put his head between his legs and run away.