what world you rather be in?

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-05-12 04:01pm

and why?

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-05-12 04:05pm

Never read the giver

Most of the others I would be dead already....

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2003-05-12 04:05pm

Enforcer Talen wrote:and why?

How 'bout "None Of The Above?"

Post by **haas mark** » 2003-05-12 04:08pm

1984 because I've read that one and seen it on TV and watched only "Clockwork Orange" besides that.. 1984 is only *just* less gross to me than Clockwork Orange, but don't ask me how that works, cos I really don't know.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-05-12 04:12pm

I'd rather kill myself.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-05-12 04:14pm

Id choose 1984, cuz I can lie with a straight face. of course big brother loves me.

if I couldnt take that, Id go with clockwork orange. gratituious violence suits my sense of humour.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-05-12 04:19pm

Enforcer Talen wrote:Id choose 1984, cuz I can lie with a straight face. of course big brother loves me.

I'm afraid it's not that simple, Talen.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-05-12 04:21pm

. . .really? how so?

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2003-05-12 04:22pm

Isn't Clockwork Orange just the real world?

Post by **haas mark** » 2003-05-12 04:25pm

2000AD wrote:Isn't Clockwork Orange just the real world?

God, no.. They don't implement those torture devices in real life..

Talen - look at all the fucked up-ness in Clockwork Orange. Room 101 in 1984. I don't know about the rest.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-05-12 04:27pm

Enforcer Talen wrote:. . .really? how so?

First of all, you wouldn't have to ask that if you really understood the book, not just have read it.

The Party is virtually at the level of mind control, and they're getting closer. They will eventually find you, and you will be sent to Room 101, and you will be killed at the end. That is what always happens to people who don't love Big Brother.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-05-12 04:28pm

room 101 is only if you dont toe the party line.
clockwork orange looks like your typical debauchery.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-05-12 04:30pm

Enforcer Talen wrote:clockwork orange looks like your typical debauchery.

The movie or the book? Because they're not the same.

Post by **haas mark** » 2003-05-12 04:31pm

Enforcer Talen wrote:room 101 is only if you dont toe the party line.

Room 101 is if you fuck up. Period.

clockwork orange looks like your typical debauchery.

If you fuck up, you get put int hat machine thing that replays things over and over. (Been a while since I've seen it)

They're all about mind control.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-05-12 04:34pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:
Enforcer Talen wrote:clockwork orange looks like your typical debauchery.
The movie or the book? Because they're not the same.

either -shrugs-

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-05-12 04:35pm

verilon wrote:
Enforcer Talen wrote:room 101 is only if you dont toe the party line.
Room 101 is if you fuck up. Period.

true enough.

clockwork orange looks like your typical debauchery.
If you fuck up, you get put int hat machine thing that replays things over and over. (Been a while since I've seen it)

They're all about mind control.

yep. which is why they are in the same topic.
so dont get caught and dont kill anyone. security seems amazingly lax.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-05-12 04:36pm

Actually, the reprogramming machine was an experiment. Alex was the first test subject.

But again, don't go by the movie. It ignores quite a few things, like the fact that Alex is only 15 and that the two girls he rapes at one point are both 10.

And in 1984, you WILL get caught. You will ALWAYS get caught. They always find out.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-05-12 04:38pm

about clockwork orange, indeed.

about 1984. . . someone has to be doing the catching. I might try my hand at that.

Post by **haas mark** » 2003-05-12 04:40pm

Enforcer Talen wrote:yep. which is why they are in the same topic.
so dont get caught and dont kill anyone. security seems amazingly lax.

No, it doesn't have to be killing someone to fuck up (at least in 1984). Basically you fuck up in any way and get caught, you get punished.

And like Spanky the Dolphin said ~ you fuck up, you get caught. There is no way around it. What do you think the telescreens are everywhere for? In the book, when the guy fucks the girl, the old man in the store downstairs knew there was a telescreen behind the picture in the room, but said nothing in that direction. YOU GET CAUGHT IF YOU FUCK UP.

Post by **haas mark** » 2003-05-12 04:41pm

Enforcer Talen wrote:about clockwork orange, indeed.

about 1984. . . someone has to be doing the catching. I might try my hand at that.

Even those in the Inner Party can fuck up, my friend. You're not seeing the point...

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-05-12 04:42pm

The giver, assuming I can bring a few things from home. Nothing major, just an AK-47 and a shotgun along with ammo.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-05-12 04:46pm

verilon wrote:
Enforcer Talen wrote:about clockwork orange, indeed.

about 1984. . . someone has to be doing the catching. I might try my hand at that.
Even those in the Inner Party can fuck up, my friend. You're not seeing the point...

I'm getting the feeling that Talen has only seen the movies/read the books without truly understanding their contents or meanings. How superficial.

At least he's not talking about Fahrenheit 451. Utsanomiko would tear him a new one before he could get halfway through his misinterpretation.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-05-12 04:51pm

-shrugs- been a yr since I read either of them. 1984 is in the mail.

and, very, the killing thing was referring to clockwork orange. I dunno how it would go over in 1984.
about the inner party, what is your point, exactly?

Post by **haas mark** » 2003-05-12 04:51pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:
verilon wrote:
Enforcer Talen wrote:about clockwork orange, indeed.

about 1984. . . someone has to be doing the catching. I might try my hand at that.
Even those in the Inner Party can fuck up, my friend. You're not seeing the point...
I'm getting the feeling that Talen has only seen the movies/read the books without truly understanding their contents or meanings. How superficial.

Well, I read 1984 three years ago, and my favorite part was the excerpt from The Book. The movie I didn't like so much. A Clockwork Orange, I have yet to read the book, but I'd like to.

At least he's not talking about Fahrenheit 451. Utsanomiko would tear him a new one before he could get halfway through his misinterpretation.

This one, I have no idea what it's about, and I'd also like to read this one.. And the others on the list, as well, as 1984 is the only book of these that I have read.

Post by **haas mark** » 2003-05-12 04:53pm

Enforcer Talen wrote:-shrugs- been a yr since I read either of them. 1984 is in the mail.

and, very, the killing thing was referring to clockwork orange. I dunno how it would go over in 1984.
about the inner party, what is your point, exactly?

First of, it's not "very." Second, about the Inner Party ~ whether you are Inner Party, Outer Party or prole, you get caught if you do something wrong. If it's bad enogh (which is likely to be anything), you get put in Room 101. Or threatened with it, at the very least, from my understanding of it.

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