How do SW weaponry waste Borg shields?

[beyond hope]

so in really simple terms:

Assume (to pick a number) that a cube's shields are good for 1 gigaton. The cube gets hit with a single 200 gigaton turbolaser shot. Boom. The second cube analyzes the energy and adapts. It's shields are now twice as effective. It gets hit with a single 200 gigaton turbolaser shot. Boom. A third cube manages to really optomize it's defenses to where they're four times more effective. 196 gigatons still get through the shield. Boom. There's no way the cube's defenses can improve the 200 times they'd need to, or else the Borg would already have waltzed all over the Federation: they simply don't start with enough power for it.

Sound right?

[Isolder74]

so in really simple terms:

Assume (to pick a number) that a cube's shields are good for 1 gigaton. The cube gets hit with a single 200 gigaton turbolaser shot. Boom. The second cube analyzes the energy and adapts. It's shields are now twice as effective. It gets hit with a single 200 gigaton turbolaser shot. Boom. A third cube manages to really optomize it's defenses to where they're four times more effective. 196 gigatons still get through the shield. Boom. There's no way the cube's defenses can improve the 200 times they'd need to, or else the Borg would already have waltzed all over the Federation: they simply don't start with enough power for it.

Sound right?

Sounds about right

You can't stop something with power you don't have!

[Shroom Man 777]

so in really simple terms:

Assume (to pick a number) that a cube's shields are good for 1 gigaton. The cube gets hit with a single 200 gigaton turbolaser shot. Boom. The second cube analyzes the energy and adapts. It's shields are now twice as effective. It gets hit with a single 200 gigaton turbolaser shot. Boom. A third cube manages to really optomize it's defenses to where they're four times more effective. 196 gigatons still get through the shield. Boom. There's no way the cube's defenses can improve the 200 times they'd need to, or else the Borg would already have waltzed all over the Federation: they simply don't start with enough power for it.

Sound right?

How very insightful, not to mention simple.

No technobabble, just plain old english.

I like your style.

WE ARE THE BORG, YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED RESISTANCE IS- KABOOM!!! *80% of the cube is turned to shit* ...... futile?

[Darth Negation]

Is all Borg just frequency based?

[Sea Skimmer]

Is all Borg just frequency based?

All there adaptation is. It makes it easier to deal with the raw energy, but adaption doesn't make that energy go away. Thus First Contact, in which Federation ships could still damage the cube even after hours of combat.

[Shortie]

The following just occured to me:

Borg shields are actually WORSE than Federation shields - from a working mechanics POV - because they need to adapt even to do anything at all (= block incoming shots). Once they adapt, they act as common AQ shields. The thing is, they are bigger and more powerful, a volley of AQ weapons only makes about 1% of damage, required literally hundreds of Fed ships and weapons to start draining it, hence the illusion that they "adapt" to the attack making it "immune".

First shot = no shields
Second shot = shield have adapted. fire goes into shield instead of hull

Federation shields do the exact same thing, except that they don't need a first shot to be able to block further shots. But they are also weaker, and only able to resist 3 or 4 volleys of standard AQ weapons.

So Fed shields work better, but Borg shields have higher energy outputs.

I agree except for where you say that Borg shields are better that AQ oens. A Cube is 3 or 4 orders of magnitude bigger than any Fed ship. It didn't take a thousand+ ships to trash a Cube.


And Sea Skimmer, have they really never done any adaption that wasn't frequency-based? Woah.

[beyond hope]

so in really simple terms:

Assume (to pick a number) that a cube's shields are good for 1 gigaton. The cube gets hit with a single 200 gigaton turbolaser shot. Boom. The second cube analyzes the energy and adapts. It's shields are now twice as effective. It gets hit with a single 200 gigaton turbolaser shot. Boom. A third cube manages to really optomize it's defenses to where they're four times more effective. 196 gigatons still get through the shield. Boom. There's no way the cube's defenses can improve the 200 times they'd need to, or else the Borg would already have waltzed all over the Federation: they simply don't start with enough power for it.

Sound right?

How very insightful, not to mention simple.

No technobabble, just plain old english.

I like your style.

WE ARE THE BORG, YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED RESISTANCE IS- KABOOM!!! *80% of the cube is turned to shit* ...... futile?

My job involves explaning lending to rednecks on a distressingly regular basis, i had to learn to keep things simple. Whether it works on rabid Trekkies is another story...

[Phyre]

In a straight up fire-fight, who do you think would win: 3 guys in mandalorian blast armor with XL-99's, or the 3 borg fighting them?

[Striderteen]

A twelve-year-old with a rusty shotgun could beat three Borg.

[beyond hope]

A twelve-year-old with a rusty shotgun could beat three Borg.

"Resistance is futile, you will be... Owww! He's... he's got a Red Ryder BB gun! Run!!!"

[Connor MacLeod]

Except for the possibility that those 12 phaser banks ARE their biggest guns they can make with their current tech level.

The feds could make some nasty kinetic weapons: they can fit FTL drives on craft as small as runabouts. Imagine a missile, the size of a runabout, which is just a solid kintic weapon. This missile warps at the target, and drops out of warp and deactivates it's mass lightening field a fraction of a second before impact with a target. Bingo, a 9.99999 C kinetic weapon. Damage output wouldn't even approach SW levels, but it would beat anything they currently field.

Errr.. WTF are you smoking?

[Kurgan]

"Resistance is futile, you will be... Owww! He's... he's got a Red Ryder BB gun! Run!!!"

The kid'd shoot his (and maybe their) eyes out...

[Specialist]

The feds could make some nasty kinetic weapons: they can fit FTL drives on craft as small as runabouts. Imagine a missile, the size of a runabout, which is just a solid kintic weapon. This missile warps at the target, and drops out of warp and deactivates it's mass lightening field a fraction of a second before impact with a target. Bingo, a 9.99999 C kinetic weapon. Damage output wouldn't even approach SW levels, but it would beat anything they currently field.

IOW, you think the warp driven object gets energy from no where.

As soon as the mass lightening field deactivates, the projectile immediately slows down. Conservation of energy.

So all momentum of an object from subspace is lost once it returns to normal space?

[beyond hope]

Is there a misplaced decimal in that or is "9.9999C" what was really intended?

[Howedar]

No, but speed drops. Momentum is conserved, but that momentum is spread out over much greater mass.

[Kurgan]

[Darth Wong]Who cares? The Empire would blow past the Borg ships and destroy all the Borg planets, then be home in time for dinner. 200 GT turbolasers would make short work of any ships left, even though they pose zero threat and it would be pointless to even engage them.

Tactics? Ha! What are sluggish Borg drones going to do against War Droids, elite Stormtroopers with EWEBs, frag grenades and NCB attacks? Answer: they're going to die.[/Darth Wong]



; )

[Thirdfain]

Misplaced decimal.

The Feds could still stick warheads on runabout-scale warp drives, and have FTL missile weapons.