Obi's Lightsaber In His Fight With Jango

Dorsk 81 · Post by **Dorsk 81** » 2003-05-14 05:59am

1. How come you didn't hear the blade evaporating the rain?
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2.How come the rain doesn't short out his saber like it does in TPM (it happens in the novel I think, maybe not but I know it happens, just not in the film)

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-05-14 09:42am

1) The sound of the rain, the music, and the battle likely drowns out the light hissing.

2) I think it has to to be heavily submerged in water to short out. A weapon that couldn't withstand a little bit of rain wouldn't be worth much in that situation.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2003-05-14 10:58am

Durran Korr wrote:1) The sound of the rain, the music, and the battle likely drowns out the light hissing.

2) I think it has to to be heavily submerged in water to short out. A weapon that couldn't withstand a little bit of rain wouldn't be worth much in that situation.

I do not think water will short a lightsabre. They are a force user's weopen and not powered by electricity so there is no chance of water affecting them. When Han used luke's lightsaber in ESB to cut ice nothing happened.

As for the hissing there was no hissing sound in ESB when the lightsabre blade vaporized the ice. I think it is the same case here.

meNNis · Post by **meNNis** » 2003-05-14 11:02am

evilcat4000 wrote: I do not think water will short a lightsabre. They are a force user's weopen and not powered by electricity so there is no chance of water affecting them. When Han used luke's lightsaber in ESB to cut ice nothing happened.

As for the hissing there was no hissing sound in ESB when the lightsabre blade vaporized the ice. I think it is the same case here.

Please tell me you're not this retarded. Lightsabres (correct spelling) are powered by electricity, which is exactly why they must be recharged from time to time, iirc.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-05-14 12:17pm

Did he even watch ESB? When Han used Luke's saber to cut open the tauntaun, what happened?

Dorsk 81 · Post by **Dorsk 81** » 2003-05-14 12:22pm

evilcat4000 wrote:
Durran Korr wrote:1) The sound of the rain, the music, and the battle likely drowns out the light hissing.

2) I think it has to to be heavily submerged in water to short out. A weapon that couldn't withstand a little bit of rain wouldn't be worth much in that situation.
I do not think water will short a lightsabre. They are a force user's weopen and not powered by electricity so there is no chance of water affecting them. When Han used luke's lightsaber in ESB to cut ice nothing happened.

As for the hissing there was no hissing sound in ESB when the lightsabre blade vaporized the ice. I think it is the same case here.

So how does it feel to have no brain? Know what your talking about before you comment. In TPM Obi's lighsabre shorts out cos it gets submerged in water. Why? Well theres this little thing called electricity.....
You wanna know about lightsabers? http://www.synicon.com.au/sw/ls/sabres.htm#index <There.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-05-14 07:07pm

Well Brown is obviously wrong--and Obi Wan's AOTC sabre is not his TPM sabre.

The TPM sabre was not water-resistant. The AOTC sabre was--just like the lightsabre used in Splinter of the Mind's Eye.

Don't make Brownian leaps of logic and generalizations. Some sabres are built to work in the presence and even full submersion of water--some are not.

Drooling Iguana · Post by **Drooling Iguana** » 2003-05-14 07:17pm

I've heard that the scene in TPM where Obi-Wan says that the water shorted out his weapon was cut specifically because Lucas was already planning on having a battle in the rain in the next movie.

Then again, I can't remember where I heard it, so take that with as much salt as you want.

Tychu · Post by **Tychu** » 2003-05-16 12:09am

The only ture and general answer is that there are multiple numbers of diffrent kinds of Lightsabers. We see the ones that have to be charged from time to time, Obi Wans shorting out one, Obi Wans "built well one" and Obi Wans "ill keep it in a trunk for a decade and give it to a kid" one.

Then we also see that Mace Windu has a diffrent type of power source lightsaber than the other heros in AOTC

Post by **Kuja** » 2003-05-16 02:12am

Tychu wrote:Then we also see that Mace Windu has a diffrent type of power source lightsaber than the other heros in AOTC

???

Where did you hear this?

Or are you referring to the fact that his blade is a different color, something that has nothing to do with the power source?

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2003-05-16 02:52am

Gents, read TPM novelization. Obi-Wan's lightsaber shorted out because he didn't turn the power off first.

Remember that he and Qui-Gon swam to Gungan city, then used their lightsabers when they reached Theed.

The Phantom Menace (hardcover)

pg.44: "You forgot to turn off your power again, didn't you, Obi-Wan?" his friend asked pointedly.

Obi-Wan nodded sheepishly. "It appears so, Master."

"It won't take long to recharge, but it will take some time to clean it up."

Boba Fett · Post by **Boba Fett** » 2003-05-16 05:02am

On the other hand I don't think the SW technology couldn't produce a water-proof lightsaber hilt.

Patrick Ogaard · Post by **Patrick Ogaard** » 2003-05-16 06:44am

Actually, the shorted out or power-drained lightsabre might provide a justification for the variable speeds of lightsabre activation/deactivation.

A standard lightsabre design might have a completely powered down mode in which the weapon's power core does nothing but recharge the power cell that actually powers the blade. Starting from this cold start position, the blade may take multiple frames to extend and stabilize.

A lightsabre set to standby mode may not be able to recharge itself quickly, and exposed contacts may cause the weapon to short out or, better yet, steadily dump energy into the surrounding water faster than the recharge rate if the weapon is thoroughly drenched. Activation from standby mode would naturally be faster, the blade stabilizing at full length almost instantly.

That way, a lightsabre would, as demonstrated in official literature and comic books more than once, be able to work underwater just fine. The only requirement would be for the lightsabre to be kept either activated or completely powered down.

If regular lightsabres were universally vulnerable to being shorted out by water, the natural result would be the following:

Neimoidian Aide: "Captain! The Jedi are tearing through our battle droids and will be at the bridge shortly."

Neimoidian Captain: "Fool! Unleash the Supersoakerdroids! ...Oh, and fire up the plasma hibachi and tell the chefdroid to put those baby Neimoidian grubs back in the freezer. We will eat well tonight."

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2003-05-17 10:06am

In the TV spot ads for AOTC on the DVD, they refer to "electro lightsaber"s and "crystal lightsaber"s, but maybe that's not what he's talking about. Hardly conclusive though.

Could be some obscure brainbug in the databank or RPG or some throw away comic book reference. Like the "sith use special crystals" thing (synthetic? Luke used those in SOTE and he isn't a sith!).

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-05-17 10:47am

I still want this claim that lightsabres are not powered by electricity backed up.

Kurgan wrote:In the TV spot ads for AOTC on the DVD, they refer to "electro lightsaber"s and "crystal lightsaber"s, but maybe that's not what he's talking about. Hardly conclusive though.

They say electrum or something. I don't remember what the material was, but it's a metal. It's the gold leave his is plated with, nothing more.

Could be some obscure brainbug in the databank or RPG or some throw away comic book reference. Like the "sith use special crystals" thing (synthetic? Luke used those in SOTE and he isn't a sith!).

The sith use synthetic crystals because they lack naturalk flaws and can have more power put through them, giving them a chance os breaking through a standard lightsabre (suppossedly it has something to do with frequency, I think it's more to do with poser or something). Luke's use of synthetic crystals works because he was edging closer to darkness, as observed by his choking of the gamoreons aned his choice of clothing.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2003-05-17 01:02pm

Luke's use of synthetic crystals works because he was edging closer to darkness, as observed by his choking of the gamoreons aned his choice of clothing.

ROTFLMAO.... okay, heh, sorry. ; )

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-05-17 04:00pm

Kurgan wrote:
Luke's use of synthetic crystals works because he was edging closer to darkness, as observed by his choking of the gamoreons aned his choice of clothing.
ROTFLMAO.... okay, heh, sorry. ; )

Exactly what is humerous? He was dressing more like Vader, and using the force in ways that border on the darkside. His use of synthetic crystals like the Sith use fits.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-05-17 07:01pm

It is actually syated in EU that Luke was slowly on the path of the Dark Side until Spectre of the Past, It is there that ghe realises that he relies too much on the force and that in itself is a Dark thing.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-05-17 07:07pm

Darth Pounder wrote:It is actually syated in EU that Luke was slowly on the path of the Dark Side until Spectre of the Past, It is there that ghe realises that he relies too much on the force and that in itself is a Dark thing.

That was Mara's opinion.

Luke at worst was arguably under Dark Side influences that clouded his vision and foresight and denied him the Force's vision.

Luke's last true tendencies toward the Dark Side were expunged with his redemption with Leia and his destruction of Palpatine.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2003-05-18 08:00pm

That its not mentioned in any canon source aside for a minute, that he used synthetic crystals is hardly a sith only trait, and (at least in the EU) the sith hardly have a monopoly on the use of the Dark Side of the Force.

The other things you mention are symbols that we as filmwatchers might recognize, but certainly not Sith traits.

However, Yoda's ambigious statements about the "darkside clouding everything" could mean lots of things. The Jedi fighting in wars, slaughtering their enemies, etc.

I don't think you can point at Luke's crystal choice and say this indicates he's tampering with the Darkside. *

*Although some have tried in the past to connect Lightsaber blade color with Force philosophy or state of mind, etc. like Luke's green saber (vs. Blue in the previous films). Of course we know it was just a stylistic consideration, and what does it say about AOTC?

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-05-18 11:47pm

Kurgan wrote:That its not mentioned in any canon source aside for a minute, that he used synthetic crystals is hardly a sith only trait, and (at least in the EU) the sith hardly have a monopoly on the use of the Dark Side of the Force.

The other things you mention are symbols that we as filmwatchers might recognize, but certainly not Sith traits.

However, Yoda's ambigious statements about the "darkside clouding everything" could mean lots of things. The Jedi fighting in wars, slaughtering their enemies, etc.

I don't think you can point at Luke's crystal choice and say this indicates he's tampering with the Darkside. *

I don't use it as such by itself. I believe the Sith use synthetic crystals bit was from WEG originally and that the author was attempting to tie it all together better.

Tychu · Post by **Tychu** » 2003-05-19 01:22am

IG, i was refering to the diffrent crystals that Kurgan and Ender were discussing.

I assume that the Star WArs galaxys technology has advaced much from the really old 4000-5000 yrs bf ANH lightsabers that used power packs attached to the sabers like we see in Tales of the the Jedi: Golden Age of the sith comic series. If those packs used electricty is solved one problem in this topic/debate. In now SW literature or cannon does it say what the lightsabers are charged with, just charged via powerpack, socket or standby.

Maby as a Jedi progress they learn to make a more powerfull or "well made saber". throughout SW literuature we mostly see the padawans or apprentices sabers shorting out (Young Obi and in books Luke) we never see Qui-Gon, Yoda or Mace sabers shorting out. Sidious would probally kill his apprentices if their sabers shorted out though.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2003-05-19 09:50pm

Maybe the Lightsabers use plasma conduits, which is why they worry about them "exploding" if the crystals are mis-aligned. ; p

Heh, anyway.

I don't use it as such by itself. I believe the Sith use synthetic crystals bit was from WEG originally and that the author was attempting to tie it all together better.

What does this prove? The information comes from a GAME, the lowest possible point on the "official" hierarchy (if such a thing exists). The EU official literature contradicts this. There is no direct support for it in the canonical materials either. So at best its apocryphal.

Bob Brown, bless him, seems to have pegged the WEG material as the source of many of the brain bugs that plague SW to this day...

One might as well say that Bad Guys wear black, and Good Guys wear white. ; )

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-05-19 10:22pm

Kurgan wrote: One might as well say that Bad Guys wear black, and Good Guys wear white.

Looked at a Sith lately?

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2003-05-20 02:30am

Looked at a Sith lately?

Looked at the Jedi Council lately?