Will the American War machine ever stop???

[Wicked Pilot]

Have IQs in France suddenly dropped?
OSAMA ADMITTED ON TAPE THAT HIS ORGANIZATION DID IT!
Jesus, where are all these idiots coming from?

[Ted]

Have IQs in France suddenly dropped?
OSAMA ADMITTED ON TAPE THAT HIS ORGANIZATION DID IT!
Jesus, where are all these idiots coming from?

Yet the US government said that Osama did it less than 24hrs after it happend.

Makes you wonder that they either knew about it before hand, or they pulled a name of a terrorist out of a hat and said they did it.

[Frank Hipper]

we ACTIVELY trained, armed, and shipped off a squadron of fighters to china.

Those pilots were trained to serve in the USAAC, NOT as volunteers in China. Life was made as difficult as possible for them upon the U.S.'s entry in the war, an indication of the extremely dim view the Army has for those who resign their commissions to fight for a foreign government.
China bought those P-40s, they were not a donation. Nor was their armament, or shipping.

Never thought I'd see the day when the Flying Tigers were intimated to be a terrorist organisation.

[Sea Skimmer]

we ACTIVELY trained, armed, and shipped off a squadron of fighters to china.

Those pilots were trained to serve in the USAAC, NOT as volunteers in China. Life was made as difficult as possible for them upon the U.S.'s entry in the war, an indication of the extremely dim view the Army has for those who resign their commissions to fight for a foreign government.
China bought those P-40s, they were not a donation. Nor was their armament, or shipping.

Actually the US government did support the personal and openly allowed them to violate US law by fighting for a foreign power. The Flying Tigers where still mostly organizing and training in Burma when the war started and saw there first combat in that country supporting the British. From then on they had considerable support before eventually being merged back into the USAAF.

[Sea Skimmer]

can someone tell me the last time the US military acted as a defencive force for the US? Has there been a single case since WWII of the US military acting in a defencive role?

Damn lot actually. Embassies, shipping in the Persian Gulf, the Korean war ect…

[Axis Kast]

Did the US present such evidence that it was an organization headedby bin laden that did it before we attacked to the afghani government? If they did, the public never heard a word about it. For that matter has any hard evidence linking the attacks to al-qaeda been presented to the public? (Now im not really doubting that they did it, but you sorta need PROOF) It isnt a FACT unless there is evidence presented to demonstrate that it is true, all the Taleban knew at the time was that the US government THOUGHT that bin ladin was responsable for those attacks and had no evidence that it presented to back up that claim. They had no obligation to extradite, and the US would enver extradite someone living in the US without evidence of guilt, at the very least enough evidence to get a grand jury to approve the case continuing? No of course not. No country would.

Osama Bin Laden was a criminal guilty of mass murder even before September 11th. It’s a wonder we didn’t press the issue of his extradition further after the ‘98 embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania. Remember. His organizations actually claimed total responsibility for said attacks. President Bill Clinton ordered retaliatory air strikes against suspected training camps in the Sudan.

Not to mention that the American government was able to better act on older intelligence after the attacks. It’s a sad case of a seemingly unlikely scenario actually unfolding and then lending subsequent strength to older presumptions and hypothesis. The United States did have advance warning that something amiss might be in the works, but it was until September 11th no different than the thousands of similar suppositions floating around the intelligence community.

Furthermore, the US is ACTIVELY giving a dangerous nation weapons, we were ACTIVELY training dangerous soldiers how to kill, and we ACTIVELY give weapons and funds to a dangerous terrorist organization. we ACTIVELY trained, armed, and shipped off a squadron of fighters to china.

The Flying Tigers were a volunteer unit subsumed into the Nationalist Army and on temporary leave-of-absence/reassignment from the United States Army Air Force.

Don’t forget that every nation’s first line of defense beings beyond its own borders. The intelligence communities of every nation attempt to preempt disaster before it strikes – even if that means destabilizing certain other nations on behalf of their own national security. Until 1991, Saddam Hussein seemed a choice ally in the dual wars on Islamic fundamentalism and Soviet Communism in the Near East. Until 1998, the Taliban’s precursors were considered old allies of the United States. We forgot about Afghanistan, but that doesn’t mean they didn’t fight a war with our help only years earlier.

As for Libertarians? I’ve got no patience for minimalist Jeffersonian notions of competent administration. Especially when it comes to defense. There’s a certain degree I prescribe to Theodore’s Roosevelt’s concepts of free trade – that is, government regulation only of potentially damaging monopolies – or the democratic credo of freedom of expression, but I am otherwise a fan of “big” – albeit responsible – government. Almost all Liberatian notions are founded on a desire to reach ultimate anarchy; it's a continuing misanalysis of human nature and self-interest with an inbred belief that once the United States goes "Utopian," the rest of the world will gleefully follow our lead. Bull and shit. The day we disband the military, stop collecting taxes, and outlaw the possibility of a draft altogether is the day Mao Tse-Tung, Joseph Stalin, and Kim-Il Sung rise from their graves and do a victory cha-cha across a U.S.S.R. reborn.