Favourite Fictional Infantry Weapon

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-07-10 01:12pm

Six? I thought it was three

Patrick Ogaard · Post by **Patrick Ogaard** » 2002-07-10 01:18pm

Morat wrote:Don't forget that the Force Lance can also intercept hypersonic gauss gun rounds. That's quite a bit different than intercepting artillary.

BTW, that's Systems Commonwealth. Galactic Commonwealth would be a misnomer anyway, since they span six galaxies...

True enough. I hope you'll forgive my lapse.

Incidentally, about the interception of gauss gun rounds, I've read about it but haven't yet seen an episode where it actually happened. Of course, I'm not quite up with current with episodes ...

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2002-07-10 01:44pm

The Soft Weapon from the story of the same name by Larry Niven.
It's a Tnuctipun infantry weapon, but it's still an infantry weapon.

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2002-07-10 01:47pm

Patrick Ogaard wrote:The force lance comes from Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda.

The force lance is a short cylinder that is the standard personal weapon of Galactic Commonwealth military personnel, such as the Lancers, the Galactic Commonwealth equivalent of marines. A spiffy little polyvalent Swiss Army knife of a weapon, it can: deploy into a full-size quarterstaff; deliver stunning electrical charges with a touch; electromagnetically launch effectors (AKA: smart bullets) as antipersonnel or anti-artillery rounds, including explosive options; deliver a ranged plasma beam that can be used as a weapon or as a cutting tool; electronically lock out unauthorized users;and can be set to explode as a plasma grenade as a last-ditch option. All of the options are usable regardless of whether the weapon is retracted to sidearm size or extended to quarterstaff size.

And according to Andromeda's technical advisor, rumor has it that the end can be set to vibrate.

JJP · Post by **JJP** » 2002-07-10 02:39pm

Hmmm... nobody seems to like Rogue Trooper's assault rifle- not surprising, it's pretty crappy looking and obscure.

Morat · Post by **Morat** » 2002-07-10 02:57pm

Incidentally, about the interception of gauss gun rounds, I've read about it but haven't yet seen an episode where it actually happened. Of course, I'm not quite up with current with episodes ...

It has happened twice. Once in The Honey Offering (season 1 ep. with the Neitzschian woman), and again in In Heaven Now Are Three (late season 2 ep., where Trance, Dylan, and Beka go looking for the Engine of Creation).

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2002-07-10 03:34pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote: As for 40K Space Marines, I never much liked the idea of super-duper warriors in invincible power armor who are so cool that they defy all limits of coolness. The sad fact is that weaponry advances as quickly as armor; the Space Marine invincibility, and the effectiveness of melee combat are both as much forced gameplay elements as Mech supremacy in Battletech.

This one is going into my long list of quotes I keep on my hard drive....

Patrick Ogaard · Post by **Patrick Ogaard** » 2002-07-10 05:22pm

Morat wrote:
Incidentally, about the interception of gauss gun rounds, I've read about it but haven't yet seen an episode where it actually happened. Of course, I'm not quite up with current with episodes ...
It has happened twice. Once in The Honey Offering (season 1 ep. with the Neitzschian woman), and again in In Heaven Now Are Three (late season 2 ep., where Trance, Dylan, and Beka go looking for the Engine of Creation).

Thanks. I'll keep an eye peeled for those episodes.

Skelron · Post by **Skelron** » 2002-07-10 10:02pm

I forget the name of the Weapon but maybe this one has to be added... Nicolia Dante's Gun from 2000AD (And yes I know I have misspelled the name) An Intellagent weapon that scans the enemy that it is fired at and automatically determines the best response to it's defenses. It then creates this round for Nicolia to fire. Added to this is that each weapon has a registered user that it is the only person authorised to use the weapon, anyone else attempting to use it, is targeted by the weapon instead...

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2002-07-11 07:13am

The T-21 of course!
Look what it did to the Sandcrawler!

HRogge · Post by **HRogge** » 2002-07-14 12:45pm

A blaster ( Apocalypse Troll from David Weber ) or a Hyperrifle ( Heirs of Empire, from David Weber too ).

The blaster drops a pulse of plasma on you... from hyperspace. If you don't have a hypershield or a really strong armor you are toast...

The hyperrifle produce a beamlike hyperspace translation field. Everything being hit by the beam is put into hyperspace...

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-07-14 01:25pm

A blaster ( Apocalypse Troll from David Weber ) or a Hyperrifle ( Heirs of Empire, from David Weber too ).

The blaster drops a pulse of plasma on you... from hyperspace. If you don't have a hypershield or a really strong armor you are toast...

Ouch on those
Acutal werid Sci-Fi from way back(Also anima) no clue what the name was, But their where Pirates oh and no plot but one of the things they had was a eight Meter Long Ultra Sniper Rifle
How Ultra?
You could hit people with near 100% Accracy
On The Ground...
From Orbit..............
And the bullets where either sabbot rounds that exploded for a RPG sized explose
Or Tecnobabled field to be equvialt to a .50 Cal Sniper Round except no noise untill it hit somthing(Besides Air)

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2002-07-15 04:06am

If there's any 40K infantry weapon I would choose for this poll, it's the Kroot Longrifle!!! High-power hunting rifle and scythe in one!!!

Luke Hares · Post by **Luke Hares** » 2002-07-16 07:32am

Disregarding the many many horrible things that have happen to WH40K over the years... (10 years ago it was so much better!) ...

Bolters are perfectly capable of killing marines in powered armour - ie the power of weapons has kept pace with armour. Just means that the bolter is a very powerful gun...

General G · Post by **General G** » 2002-07-17 09:04pm

If only guard lasguns were a powerful.......

Shortie · Post by **Shortie** » 2002-07-18 06:13am

On the subject of the Astartes, here's a story of them against real soldiers, from an old site I found.

Akm72 · Post by **Akm72** » 2002-07-18 09:37am

[quote]
WIDE as the CLERK, who looks like a sick lizard, pallid

and paunchy, takes the rifle from a wall rack. He lays it

beside the arsenal of perfectly legal anti-human artillery

already on the glass counter.

Terminator scans expressionlessly for additional selec-

tions.

CLERK

Anything else?

TERMINATOR

A phased plasma pulse-laser in

the forty watt range...

CLERK

(annoyed)

Just what you see, pal.

Luke Hares · Post by **Luke Hares** » 2002-07-18 09:41am

Shortie wrote:On the subject of the Astartes, here's a story of them against real soldiers, from an old site I found.

Good tale, and a good illustration of everything that went wrong with WH40K.... In the good old days the rhino would have had a power field and smoke launchers, the marines would have been in camo (all mine still are) and would have had jump packing behind it, the missile launcher would have laying down toxin and photon shells and it would all have ended very differently...

Probably with the soldier squad jump packed over and hit with dropped photon grenades (permanent blind) then charged into from behind by marines with chain swords...

But you can't do half that stuff now...

So I stopped playing..

Sniff,,,

Akm72 · Post by **Akm72** » 2002-07-18 09:42am

Regarding the Terminators favorite plasma weapon;
(from the script)

WIDE as the CLERK, who looks like a sick lizard, pallid

and paunchy, takes the rifle from a wall rack. He lays it

beside the arsenal of perfectly legal anti-human artillery

already on the glass counter.

Terminator scans expressionlessly for additional selec-

tions.

CLERK

Anything else?

TERMINATOR

A phased plasma pulse-laser in

the forty watt range...

CLERK

(annoyed)

Just what you see, pal.

40 watt range... that's CRAP!!! I use 60 watt lightbulbs at home! All 40 watts would do is give you a nasty blister, or melt the synthetic fibres in your cloths.
Now if it was 40 kilowatt, that would be more like it

Akm72 · Post by **Akm72** » 2002-07-18 09:42am

arse, didn't mean to post that twice

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-18 11:30am

I like the PPG. Even though all of the others could probably do more damage, the SFX on the PPG are just plain cool! I guess if I got to have one, though, it would be an E11 or the M41A. Actually, though, the XR7 Farsight rifle (from Perfect Dark) would be really, REALLY cool. That one isn't on the poll, though.

EmperorChrostas the Cruel · Post by **EmperorChrostas the Cruel** » 2002-07-21 07:14am

Akm72:
The dialog quoteed was incorrect.(To the best of my knownledge)
"A phased plasma rifle in the the forty BEVa watt range" is how I remember it.
I cringed hearing it, (The Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs!) as the the term BEV refers to Billion Electron Volts, (Voltage)and is used with wattage directly afterwords.(I want a phased plasma rifle in the GigaVolts Watts range! )Cringe! That isn't even good grammer, much less a realistic power measurement. Even if you got the quote correct, it is still a gaff worthy of cringing.
Lasers are, by definition phased! Plasma can't be phased, as it is matter heated to the point past gas, to where the electrons do not orbit individual atoms. They form a "cloud" around the atoms "stripped" of their orbiting electrons, and conduct electricity, as opposed to all gases which are all insulators.
This is why all flouresant light bulbs preheat the mercury vapour inside, (To plasma) before lighting fully up. This is done with either a heating element, (to plasmiate the vapour,) or a voltage booster (To overcome the dielecric resistance in the vapour while heating the vapour to plasma).
I assume the writer meant Giga and BEVa (not even a real term)to be interchangable, this would be a 40 Gigawatt LASER or plasma rifle.
(Writers thought, "plasma, laser, whatever, and "phased" sounds cool!) I am surprised he didn't put "Quantum" in for good measure!
NOT possible to be both.
Either would pack a whollop.

Akm72 · Post by **Akm72** » 2002-07-21 08:33am

Well I just got the quote from an on-line script, so it might not match the actual dialog from the film. I don't have it on video or DVD, can someone else check the actual film for us?

General G · Post by **General G** » 2002-07-21 02:41pm

40 watt range... that's CRAP!!! I use 60 watt lightbulbs at home! All 40 watts would do is give you a nasty blister, or melt the synthetic fibres in your cloths.

About the same as a Imperial Lasgun.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2002-07-21 02:59pm

For the 40 watt range plasma weapon:
The explanation I have heard is that the power rating refers to the laser that causes the plasma to react and eject itself from the barrel, not the firepower itself.

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