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The Duchess of Zeon wrote: ...And I have a friend who's a Military Police Colonel in the RTA. Her personal handgun is somewhat larger than 45cal, and she fits the definition of a petite asian woman. It's all about training yourself to handle the weapon. I cannot emphasize that enough.
Somewhat larger, Duchess?
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I also find myself curious as to what caliber of handgun this woman carries, since even .45 is nonstandard carry for most European militaries. AFAIK, 9mm is the standard.

Is it .357 Magnum? .44 Magnum?

I also agree; training is the critical factor in one's ability to handle any weapon; however, standardization of weaponry across the personnel of a military unit is also important, as it facilitates ease of parts replacement and ammunition supply.
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From the description, I'd probably place it at .454 Casull or flat-out .50 Desert Eagle....
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Actually, I know what that Colonel carries but I'll leave it to Marina to give the details :D
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My problem with shooting most higher caliber pistols (>.22lr) is that I have weak wrists, so my shots go roughly all over the place. I can shoot fine when using my dad's .22 target pistol, so it's not that I can't shoot straight...
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Beowulf; if you can get your hands on one (or two) I recommend staring out by practicing linear strikes with shinai (bamboo kendo swords). Just straight-line strikes to start with. Star slow, then increase the speed and force of the practice strikes until you're confident. Also, start a regimen of pushups -- standard, then on your fists, then with your fingers and thumbs forming a rough triangle shape at your solar plexus level, and finally, on your fingers at solar plexus level.

You'll find that these exercises, in combination with gradually stepping up the calibers of firearms you practice with, should condition your fingers, wrists and forearms sufficiently to allow you to fire any hand-partable weapon you choose.

In the meantime, make sure you're not trying to fire more rapidly than your muscles will support. Typically, the most useful rapid-fire technique with a handgun is the double-tap. If you're firing more than 3 shots per second from a high-caliber handgun, you're probably taking too many shots with insufficient recovery time.
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phongn wrote:Actually, I know what that Colonel carries but I'll leave it to Marina to give the details :D
Oh, that's quite alright, I'll let you 'splain.
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...And I have a friend who's a Military Police Colonel in the RTA. Her personal handgun is somewhat larger than 45cal, and she fits the definition of a petite asian woman. It's all about training yourself to handle the weapon. I cannot emphasize that enough.
Yes, and with the pistol always being a secondary or weapon for those who will likely never see combat, at least not without having a chance to grab a carbine, it's questionable that the extra training time is worthwhile.
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The Duchess of Zeon wrote:
phongn wrote:Actually, I know what that Colonel carries but I'll leave it to Marina to give the details :D
Oh, that's quite alright, I'll let you 'splain.
0.50 Desert Eagle. She apparently has used to "painfully" accurate attacks on male hooligans, if you catch my drift (she claims unintentional)
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phongn wrote:
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phongn wrote:Actually, I know what that Colonel carries but I'll leave it to Marina to give the details :D
Oh, that's quite alright, I'll let you 'splain.
0.50 Desert Eagle. She apparently has used to "painfully" accurate attacks on male hooligans, if you catch my drift (she claims unintentional)
:( I find that statement a little... I dunno... iffy. Not the part about her carrying an IMI .50 (BTW -- Action Express or Magnum?) but the fact that she's "attacked" people with it. Since you don't specify whether by firing it or striking people with it, nor whether this was in the line of duty or not, the statement is pretty vague. Either way, attacking someone with a gun, whether using it as a firearm or a blunt object, certainly doesn't strike me as responsible behavior. The fact that she claims to have attacked people with her duty weapon unintentionally is just downright frightening.
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:( I find that statement a little... I dunno... iffy. Not the part about her carrying an IMI .50 (BTW -- Action Express or Magnum?) but the fact that she's "attacked" people with it. Since you don't specify whether by firing it or striking people with it, nor whether this was in the line of duty or not, the statement is pretty vague. Either way, attacking someone with a gun, whether using it as a firearm or a blunt object, certainly doesn't strike me as responsible behavior. The fact that she claims to have attacked people with her duty weapon unintentionally is just downright frightening.
Same here, but then again it is the Thai army...
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Raoul Duke, Jr. wrote:
:( I find that statement a little... I dunno... iffy. Not the part about her carrying an IMI .50 (BTW -- Action Express or Magnum?) but the fact that she's "attacked" people with it. Since you don't specify whether by firing it or striking people with it, nor whether this was in the line of duty or not, the statement is pretty vague. Either way, attacking someone with a gun, whether using it as a firearm or a blunt object, certainly doesn't strike me as responsible behavior. The fact that she claims to have attacked people with her duty weapon unintentionally is just downright frightening.
Its true, and its not a matter of the attack being unintentional, it’s the matter of where the bullet struck as I recall. Shes an MP, and those see quite allot of action in Thailand, the nation has and has had a major terrorist and drug runner problem for quite some time.
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Raoul Duke, Jr. wrote:
:( I find that statement a little... I dunno... iffy. Not the part about her carrying an IMI .50 (BTW -- Action Express or Magnum?) but the fact that she's "attacked" people with it. Since you don't specify whether by firing it or striking people with it, nor whether this was in the line of duty or not, the statement is pretty vague. Either way, attacking someone with a gun, whether using it as a firearm or a blunt object, certainly doesn't strike me as responsible behavior. The fact that she claims to have attacked people with her duty weapon unintentionally is just downright frightening.
I think that was during the last elections when they were guarding polling places. They caught some guys violating the election laws, so they took them out back and she applied the weapon as a blunt object to a certain vulnerable area while the troops assigned to her command fired into the air. The combination of the screams the punishment elicited with the gunshots created the effect of a far more severe punishment than had actually occured, and thus deterred further attempts at influencing the election.
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Hrm, I heard a slightly different version than Marina: at any rate, I meant that where the round hit was unintentional, not that discharging her firearm was. She's responsible.
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phongn wrote:Hrm, I heard a slightly different version than Marina: at any rate, I meant that where the round hit was unintentional, not that discharging her firearm was. She's responsible.
The election one happened; it was during the voting for the election of their current prime minister. However, it's only half-remembered (that was a while ago) and is probably a different incident than the one you're thinking of. I like Thailand. They have a law banning commies there.
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Sea Skimmer wrote:
Raoul Duke, Jr. wrote:
:( I find that statement a little... I dunno... iffy. Not the part about her carrying an IMI .50 (BTW -- Action Express or Magnum?) but the fact that she's "attacked" people with it. Since you don't specify whether by firing it or striking people with it, nor whether this was in the line of duty or not, the statement is pretty vague. Either way, attacking someone with a gun, whether using it as a firearm or a blunt object, certainly doesn't strike me as responsible behavior. The fact that she claims to have attacked people with her duty weapon unintentionally is just downright frightening.
Its true, and its not a matter of the attack being unintentional, it’s the matter of where the bullet struck as I recall. Shes an MP, and those see quite allot of action in Thailand, the nation has and has had a major terrorist and drug runner problem for quite some time.
I guess that would explain the justification for the attack -- I'm still confused, though, by one thing: in one depiction of events, we have her using her sidearm as a blunt weapon, and in other we have her firing the weapon. Are these two seperate incident which, through the miracle ear of apocrypha, became one? Or did she inadvertently discharge her firearm when she struck the subject with it?

In any case, those of us familiar with the effects of the IMI .50 (I have previously owned one myself) will pity the subject shot with one -- and anyone standing in the flight path of the round. .50, whether AE or Mag, is notorious for overpenetration of soft targets.
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