Next D2 patch to be huge.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2003-05-18 04:01pm

Damn, check http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/ for more detailed information, but god damn this is going to be a lot of changes.

Skills have been redone, rumors say to make them all worth using. Skills have synergies, as they get more skill points they improve the usefulness of other spells, for example, bone spear adds 7% magic damage per level to teeth, bone wall, prison, and spirit. So maxing Bone spear and Spirit(a Sorc Necro) you can deal a minimum of 800 damage with bone spirit. I fear what Sorcs will spawn from this(hmmm, I may need to make a new firewall sorc). Over 100 new unique items and new unique item abilities(Azurewrath gives wielder Paladin Sancuary, new Barb Helm gives Lycanthropy, Feral Rage, and ability to summon Dire Wolves. Unique Jewels, ofcourse new Cube and Rune combos, better odds at gambling, better drops from monsters, much better drops from bosses the first time(and first time only) you beat them, and better quest rewards, more random unique monster placement, harder leveling past 70, ladder clears ever 3 months, a new secret level that you access by selling SoJs to shopkeepers, (I don't know what they're doing here, trying to eliminate SoJs, or trying to make SoJs the currancy of Diablo 2 again), gaaaaaaaaah, me wantee.

Coaan · Post by **Coaan** » 2003-05-18 04:20pm

Oh hell yeah!

Exactly what the game needed....balancing to the point where all the frigging classes are useful...not just sorcs or amazons!

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-05-18 04:27pm

Hellz YEAH! Styx_AnStones, my nasty little "No summons, all Poison and bone+curses" Necromancer will finally stop sucking!

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2003-05-18 05:12pm

I'm hoping my Blood Golemancer will be able to stand in nightmare and hell.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-05-18 07:19pm

HOLY CRAP! I might actually start playing D2 again!

Might, mofos.Might.

Soontir C'boath · Post by **Soontir C'boath** » 2003-05-18 07:26pm

Hmmm...it would be great to play Necromancer without it being more of a supporting character.

And I hope they fix the Necro's poison nova. It supposely deal like 800+ dmg but it does JACK SHIT NOTHING!!! Only good in like Act II of nightmare then it's all over...

Cyaround,
Jason

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2003-05-18 08:11pm

Holy shit I just thought of something that would be cool. A unique orb or ring or something that gives the barer the Paladin mana regen aura. Novas ahoy!

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-05-18 09:45pm

Bah. That patch will still be useless unless they somehow make it so that Sorcs can actually DO damage again. All the special absorbing items out right can make a sorc basically harmless.

Coaan · Post by **Coaan** » 2003-05-18 09:48pm

If they've loaded up on absorb equipment...it's a good bet they'd be lacking in effective stuff in it's place...everything has a weakness besides...if they resist one...then use another

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-05-19 01:39am

Sorc still pile on damage...just less then there 10K+ firewall forms.

Either way...maybe my Necro won't blow anymore...which will be nice.

Thunderfire · Post by **Thunderfire** » 2003-05-19 02:07am

Soontir C'boath wrote:Hmmm...it would be great to play Necromancer without it being more of a supporting character.

And I hope they fix the Necro's poison nova. It supposely deal like 800+ dmg but it does JACK SHIT NOTHING!!! Only good in like Act II of nightmare then it's all over...

Cyaround,
Jason

Most Mods do a better job at balancing out the classes. Most items/skills I have
seen sound like overkill. The classes are currently not balanced in D2. Amazons
are a way to strong in PvM and PvP. Sorcs are nearly as good in PvM. Barbarians
are nice with great stuff. Assassins & Paladins are the only well balanced classes.
Necros are very dependant on a good merc to get kills and the druids elemental
spells are wothless.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-05-19 07:42am

Would this reset everyone's characters?

Thunderfire · Post by **Thunderfire** » 2003-05-19 08:24am

A Realmwipe would make sense to get rid of all duped&cheated
items. I don't think that this will reset single player characters.
Skill have been changed in the past - and it never required you
to start a new character.

Xon · Post by **Xon** » 2003-05-19 11:36am

Honestly I dont know why they even put the sorc in the original game.

In Hell diff, almost all of the mosters are damn near immune to entire branches of the sorcs skill tree, and there is only 3 of them! And if they arent immue they Uber high resistance levels. So you resort to bashing stuff over the head, or flipping around the map with tellport or running and hoping a breif moment of lag doesnt result in any of those mosters getting a single hit in. Cos the sorc has to be the weakest character class.

And firewalls dont work very well if you dont have something to tank for you, and keep them pinned down. Cos if you case a firewall in their path, they just go arround the stupid thing, or since thier immune go striaght through it.

Firewall really shines when you expliot the braindead monster pathfinding, that is they get stuck into a corner and cant come after you.

The only reason I could killed Diablo in Nightmare by myself. .There is an upside down U which normally spawns at the right most Seal, teleport over the gap and Diablo cant get to you, and sits near the edge letting you do what ever the hell you want. Like cast Town portal & go to the City for supplies and come back with out worrying about someone waiting to get upclose & personal.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-05-19 11:40am

Even with them being vulnerable to each of a tree...it's just a matter of specialize one of the three spells(I use one lightning, one cold, and a couple fires).

The problem I have with physicallity is that all it requires is the monster to have one invulnerability and then you're practically fubared in Hell.

I mean that is by far much crueler then some beastie being fire proof(I have other spells to rely upon), but having physical invulnerabilty make that monster go from annoying to evil because I'm suddely doing only tens of damage per swing versus hundreds.

Soontir C'boath · Post by **Soontir C'boath** » 2003-05-19 03:54pm

That's why you use berserk on those phys immune.
Edit: But for Pally, heh your screwed 'cept you got Fist of Heavens but that does jack shit too.

Cyaround,
Jason

Post by **Beowulf** » 2003-05-19 04:50pm

Soontir C'boath wrote:That's why you use berserk on those phys immune.
Edit: But for Pally, heh your screwed 'cept you got Fist of Heavens but that does jack shit too.

Cyaround,
Jason

Vengence, or vengence in a can (Baranar's Star + Tiamat's Rebuke)

Sriad · Post by **Sriad** » 2003-05-19 04:57pm

Not all the info will be accurate for the final 1.10 patch, but there is a section of diabloii.net with info on new uniques and stuff. Here's hopein' spell druids and necros stop sucking.

Darth Balls · Post by **Darth Balls** » 2003-05-19 05:38pm

Good, maybe now Amazon won't be the only worthwhile class to play. Any word on when this patch is comming out?

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2003-05-19 05:57pm

Sorc still pile on damage...just less then there 10K+ firewall forms.

Either way...maybe my Necro won't blow anymore...which will be nice.

Still, 6K Firewall rocks, except for anything in Hell but Cows, especially fallen. Fallen piss me off in hell.

And firewalls dont work very well if you dont have something to tank for you, and keep them pinned down. Cos if you case a firewall in their path, they just go arround the stupid thing, or since thier immune go striaght through it.

Firewall really shines when you expliot the braindead monster pathfinding, that is they get stuck into a corner and cant come after you.

My sorc does 6K with her firewall and gets mana leech off it, I can teleport around leading monsters through wall after wall after wall and never need a mana potion. I can clear out cows including the king all by myself with her on Hell. Ofcourse it's a lot harder in other levels.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-05-19 06:00pm

Coaan wrote:If they've loaded up on absorb equipment...it's a good bet they'd be lacking in effective stuff in it's place...everything has a weakness besides...if they resist one...then use another

Unless the other player has hacked items, which I've commonly run into.

They should fix that cheating/duping problem too.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2003-05-19 06:19pm

Also the graphics on the Barb's whirlwind are upgraded so that it looks like is spining around in a swing fury instead of having a siezure in a line.

Coaan · Post by **Coaan** » 2003-05-19 09:43pm

Shinova wrote:
Coaan wrote:If they've loaded up on absorb equipment...it's a good bet they'd be lacking in effective stuff in it's place...everything has a weakness besides...if they resist one...then use another
Unless the other player has hacked items, which I've commonly run into.

They should fix that cheating/duping problem too.

On the closed b.net...it's not too common...or it wasn't at least...if it is now...then that's just lame..

even with hacked items...it's fun to lure those kinds of players into a bind they can't possibly escape from while you keep the ace in the hole....when you play in hardcore (the only real challenge ) then more often than not...you find the real players

Thunderfire · Post by **Thunderfire** » 2003-05-20 02:18am

Coaan wrote:
On the closed b.net...it's not too common...or it wasn't at least...if it is now...then that's just lame..

It is now...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 3022360400

These items are pretty common now...

Hamel · Post by **Hamel** » 2003-05-20 08:13pm

1 ) The filesize of the patch won't be big since they're not adding much, if any artistic content. The only new graphic is the new look of the baba's whirlwind, and that was always in the mpqs but disabled. Basically all the changes are taking place in the skill/item/etc tables so don't expect anything over 4 megs.

2)

ggs wrote:Firewall really shines when you expliot the braindead monster pathfinding, that is they get stuck into a corner and cant come after you.

Firewall is good anyplace other than hell cows~ As for the other comments in the thread about sorcs being weak: bullshit. Nova/orb/meteor just rapes PvM

boath wrote:That's why you use berserk on those phys immune.
Edit: But for Pally, heh your screwed 'cept you got Fist of Heavens but that does jack shit too.

Have you actually made a vindicator? They own all manner of shit outside the cow level.

3) Most new items that you've seen (excluding runeword Exile) are not even close to the final stats

4) They aren't releasing the patch til at least june 9th

5) I'm one of the 50 legit people on east