SWI: ICS Canon? SD Bridge in EpIII?

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-05-18 06:14pm

Interestingly, I re-read the lastest issue of Star Wars Insider (#68 ) and found this:

"The first two Incredible Cross-Sections books were conceived to explore bold new territory in the Star Wars universe, taking a rare look inside more vehicles and vessels than we had ever seen before, and doing in in unprecidented detail. These books would represent the most thorough research ever done on these vehicles and would receive Lucasfilm's formal imprimatur as canon. These volumes would henceforth be sent out to licensees as reference guides and would become useful manuals for Industrial Light & Magic, where some of the artwork influenced details in Episodes I and II." - P. 36

Would this supposedly make the EpII: ICS canon?

In Prequel Update, there is a section where Rick McCallum shoots down rumors. Here are they are:

RUMOR: Michael Crawford has been cast in the movie.
RICK: Totally untrue.

RUMOR: Lou Ferrigno will don the Vader armor.
RICK: Totally absurd

RUMOR: A Star Destroyer bridge is one of the sets for Episode III.
RICK: I won't confirm or deny.

Didja catch that last one? While he smacks down the first two like nobody's buisness, he hesitates on the third one, deciding to keep it a secret. If anything he hasn't shot down that rumor, but made it even more suspicious.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-05-18 06:25pm

No, the work is still offical. Very high ranking offical, but offical none the less.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2003-05-18 06:56pm

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:These books would represent the most thorough research ever done on these vehicles and would receive Lucasfilm's formal imprimatur as canon.

Great.
So I'm left with the 12 seat laser armed escape pods for the Tantive IV. They seemed so much more sensible when they were just gun turrets....

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2003-05-18 07:33pm

Darth Garden Gnome wrote: Didja catch that last one? While he smacks down the first two like nobody's buisness, he hesitates on the third one, deciding to keep it a secret. If anything he hasn't shot down that rumor, but made it even more suspicious.

I think it might more be that he's not sure, that at this early stage, that idea is accually floating around.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-05-18 07:47pm

Frank Hipper wrote:
Darth Garden Gnome wrote:These books would represent the most thorough research ever done on these vehicles and would receive Lucasfilm's formal imprimatur as canon.
Great.
So I'm left with the 12 seat laser armed escape pods for the Tantive IV. They seemed so much more sensible when they were just gun turrets....

Depending on how large and complex the laser turret mechanism is, the escape pods might have just been a nice high place to put them. The Millenium Falcon's quadlasers certainly didn't take up a lot of space, and would take up even less so if they were remotely targetted and controlled, as they would be on Tantive IV.

I agree that its a somewhat overcomplicated system though.

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2003-05-18 08:49pm

No, the work is still offical. Very high ranking offical, but offical none the less.

Semantics. For all intents and purposes, there's no difference between canon and official beyond the fact that official is subordinate. As long as there's no canon source contradicting the official source, they're on equal standing.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-05-18 10:32pm

Personally I think we should shove this down Darkstar's throat.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-05-18 10:55pm

Alyeska wrote:No, the work is still offical. Very high ranking offical, but offical none the less.

Wrong.

The screenplays, comic depictions, and novelisations are second-tier canon due to LFL decree--and now so are Incredible-Cross Sections.

I find it absurd that one would argue LFL has a right to declare some of its secondary movie publications canon and not others.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-05-18 10:56pm

Considering his intentional context dropping of my quote, I should like to be the one to do it.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-05-18 10:57pm

Ender wrote:Considering his intentional context dropping of my quote, I should like to be the one to do it.

Rock on dude.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-05-18 11:03pm

Ender wrote:Considering his intentional context dropping of my quote, I should like to be the one to do it.

What'd DipShit do to you?

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-05-18 11:04pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:What'd DipShit do to you?

Ta da

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-05-18 11:12pm

SPOOFE wrote:
No, the work is still offical. Very high ranking offical, but offical none the less.
Semantics. For all intents and purposes, there's no difference between canon and official beyond the fact that official is subordinate. As long as there's no canon source contradicting the official source, they're on equal standing.

It is more then semantics. It means that the movies and the radio dramas have higher standing then ICS. That is a very important distinction.

(edit)Ok, with the two tier level Canon, you have the important distinction between the movies and everything else.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-05-18 11:14pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Alyeska wrote:No, the work is still offical. Very high ranking offical, but offical none the less.
Wrong.

The screenplays, comic depictions, and novelisations are second-tier canon due to LFL decree--and now so are Incredible-Cross Sections.

I find it absurd that one would argue LFL has a right to declare some of its secondary movie publications canon and not others.

I saw nothing in there indicating that ICS was anywhere near canon...

Lucasfilm's formal imprimatur as canon.

Sigh... I missed that the first time through. Oops.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-05-18 11:56pm

posted.

I have a feeling that if you open your windows and listen towards the Missouri area, you will currently hear him crying.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2003-05-19 12:25am

Ender wrote:posted.

I have a feeling that if you open your windows and listen towards the Missouri area, you will currently hear him crying.

Naaahhh, he'll just evade and deny. It's not called the 'Black Knight Syndrome' for nothing ya know?

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-05-19 12:29am

I just realized something: It says the first 2 ICS. What does it say about the 3rd, the AOTC ICS?

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2003-05-19 12:31am

I am guessing that will be his reply...

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-05-19 12:31am

Ender wrote:I just realized something: It says the first 2 ICS. What does it say about the 3rd, the AOTC ICS?

They are talking about how the first two were concieved. And they say they influenced Episode II.

Seems quite clear that the ICS series is canon. At least to me.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-05-19 12:32am

Unfortunatly, what is clear to anyone else is not clear to Scooter. I don't suppose anyone has the whole article available? I didn't get out to the bookstore this weekend.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-05-19 12:33am

Yes, DGG needs to post more and the whole context. And someone ask the Jedi Council on SW.com if this article pertains to Episode II ICS.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-05-19 12:58am

I don't want to try emailing the JC directly (though I'll probably do that as well). I know a person via a message board who works for lucas arts (It's pretty much all she talks about); I'll see if she knows anyone to make sure that this one, unlike the "What is Palpatine's first name" gets through.

Drooling Iguana · Post by **Drooling Iguana** » 2003-05-19 02:45am

I didn't think that the ISD had been invented yet at the time of the Clone Wars. Does the VSD date back that far? Might be interesting to see one of them.

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2003-05-19 03:31am

It is more then semantics. It means that the movies and the radio dramas have higher standing then ICS. That is a very important distinction.

The superiority of one tier becomes an important distinction when and ONLY when there is a contradiction between two sources. Beyond that, the distinction is nonexistent; i.e., it just just as canon that the Empire was working on the TIE Defender as it is that the Rebels had help from the Ewoks.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-05-19 03:51am

Technically, according to the SWE, the two "levels" are "canon" and "quasi-canon", not "canon" and "official". That is the least ambiguous public statement available on the status of printed material (so of course, Scooter ignores it completely).

But it has always been thought by most observers that the literature relating DIRECTLY to the movies (the novelizations, the ICS, the Visual Dictionaries, the radio plays) occupied a higher standing than the literature which involved events not portrayed on film, and this quote (in conjunction with the old SWE quote) seems to confirm it.

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