Even Match-Up

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-05-20 01:42pm

Q decides to play a game. He puts an Executor-class SSD in the middle of Federation space. He removes its engines, and all the spare parts that could be used to build replacements.

He also takes out all of the ships the SSD would normally carry, except for 3 squadrons of fighters, one of Tie Defenders, one of Missile Boats, and one of GAT-12h Skipray Blastboats. They all have top-ace pilots, and an invincible stationary base (the SSD) with a near-limitless amount of warheads, food, countermeasures, etc.

Who wins, the fighters, or the feddies?

PS: Lets assume the Federation is not stupid enough to actually attack the SSD.

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2003-05-20 01:44pm

Umm... how many fighters are there?

I dunno how many are there in a squad.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-05-20 01:45pm

There are 12 fighters per squadron.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-05-20 02:02pm

Federation easily. They can launch hit and fade strikes with long range proximity torpedo blasts. The SSD only has three squadrons, 36 fighters. They aren't THAT difficult to deal with. Its the warheads that make them a threat, not much else.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2003-05-20 02:07pm

ummmmm, if it's just sitting there and has no hyperdrive and the fed's aren't 'stupid enough to attack' i'll have to go with the lone machine gunner vs. 10,000 naked barbarians with a spoon theory. 36 fighters vs the entirety of starfleet and whatever allies decide to pitch in isn't a fair match no matter how much of a technological disparity. the missle boats and blast boats will rip through fed formations like a machete, but there just aren't enough to conquor the the whole quadrant.

Sr.mal · Post by **Sr.mal** » 2003-05-20 02:24pm

This has been discussed MANY times before

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-05-20 02:30pm

Col. Crackpot wrote:ummmmm, if it's just sitting there and has no hyperdrive and the fed's aren't 'stupid enough to attack' i'll have to go with the lone machine gunner vs. 10,000 naked barbarians with a spoon theory. 36 fighters vs the entirety of starfleet and whatever allies decide to pitch in isn't a fair match no matter how much of a technological disparity. the missle boats and blast boats will rip through fed formations like a machete, but there just aren't enough to conquor the the whole quadrant.

1. I used an immobile SSD to make sure that the fighters have an indestructible base.
2. Fighters vs. Starfleet and only Starfleet, no allies allowed.
3. They don't need to conquer the quadrant, just take out all of the Federation's starships. Sorry, I should have been more specific in my opening post.

Kerneth · Post by **Kerneth** » 2003-05-20 02:30pm

The fighters are all destroyed but inflict horribly disproportionate losses on the Federation in terms of tonnage of ships and numbers of lives lost.

Assuming of course the fighters leave the SSD to engage the Federation ships. If they stay in the hanger or just stay close enough to be within the Star Destroyer's umbrella of fire, then there's a stalemate, because the Federation cannot close to engage the fighters without being slaughtered by the Executor's guns.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2003-05-20 02:31pm

Sr.mal wrote:This has been discussed MANY times before

indeed it has...i was was just cutting the n00b some slack. part of the learning process is working though a debate. for some it is more helpful than simply reading something

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-05-20 02:33pm

Alyeska wrote:Federation easily. They can launch hit and fade strikes with long range proximity torpedo blasts. The SSD only has three squadrons, 36 fighters. They aren't THAT difficult to deal with. Its the warheads that make them a threat, not much else.

The SSD has nearly-inpenetrable sheilds against SW capships. I has 1000s of TLs. The Federation leaves it alone, and focusses on the fighters.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-05-20 02:48pm

How much food could the thing possibly have?

The Federation could just blockade it for a long ass time. And blast any fighters that try to get out.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2003-05-20 03:19pm

YT300000 wrote:
Col. Crackpot wrote:ummmmm, if it's just sitting there and has no hyperdrive and the fed's aren't 'stupid enough to attack' i'll have to go with the lone machine gunner vs. 10,000 naked barbarians with a spoon theory. 36 fighters vs the entirety of starfleet and whatever allies decide to pitch in isn't a fair match no matter how much of a technological disparity. the missle boats and blast boats will rip through fed formations like a machete, but there just aren't enough to conquor the the whole quadrant.
1. I used an immobile SSD to make sure that the fighters have an indestructible base.
2. Fighters vs. Starfleet and only Starfleet, no allies allowed.
3. They don't need to conquer the quadrant, just take out all of the Federation's starships. Sorry, I should have been more specific in my opening post.

doesn't matter. we are still debating 36 one man fighters vs a few thousand starships. they eventually get picked off by a vastly numericaly superior foe.Although i do imagine the feds launching perhaps one ill fated counter offensive and learning the hard way what a SSD is capable of.

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2003-05-20 03:29pm

neoolong wrote:How much food could the thing possibly have?

The Federation could just blockade it for a long ass time. And blast any fighters that try to get out.

The Skipray Blastboat and TIE Defenders both have hyperdrives, so they actually can't prevent them from breaking through the blockade.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-05-20 03:37pm

Hit and fade.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-05-20 03:39pm

Cpt_Frank wrote:
neoolong wrote:How much food could the thing possibly have?

The Federation could just blockade it for a long ass time. And blast any fighters that try to get out.
The Skipray Blastboat and TIE Defenders both have hyperdrives, so they actually can't prevent them from breaking through the blockade.

Really? Must have slipped my mind.

Kerneth · Post by **Kerneth** » 2003-05-20 04:09pm

The missile boats would have hyperdrives as well. If they used the right tactics and never engaged anyone in a stand-up slugging match, it'd be possible for the three dozen fighters to defeat every power in the Alpha Quadrant, if they could capture sufficient transportation and supplies to keep that SSD's crew alive, and if the SSD had sufficient munitions and supplies stores to keep rearming the fighters.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-05-20 08:09pm

Each fighter has countermeasures (chaff or flare, depends on pilot preference), a full load of warheads, and a beam weapon (tractor, jamming, cloak, depends on the mission profile). The SSD could keep resuplying 36 fighters for a looooooooong time, possibly for decades.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-05-20 08:16pm

Hmm, I wonder what would happen if you just strapped all the fighters onto the SSD. Would it be able to move? Damn slow probably, but would it be possible?

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-05-20 08:21pm

YT300000 wrote:Each fighter has countermeasures (chaff or flare, depends on pilot preference), a full load of warheads, and a beam weapon (tractor, jamming, cloak, depends on the mission profile). The SSD could keep resuplying 36 fighters for a looooooooong time, possibly for decades.

Look, the fighters will be overwhelmed. They are only ties, no matter what class. The pilots will eventually wearout and, when they take losses, it will only compound the problem. Slowly, the Fed fleet will remove them. Do you really think that 36 fighters is a match for 10000+ starships?!

Also, you don't start doing a type of thread that has been done many a time. that is the quickest way to get both flamed and chewed.

This thread needs to be locked as it is officially chiched now and forever more. No more groups getting flung into the Federation and taking on an the entire Fed fleet, no matter what the numbers.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2003-05-20 08:38pm

I doubt it, neoolong. The SSD has way too much mass to be moved by a measly 36 fighters.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-05-20 08:42pm

Darth Yoshi wrote:I doubt it, neoolong. The SSD has way too much mass to be moved by a measly 36 fighters.

That's what I thought.

How about the hyperdrives though? Anyway to use many small ones in place of a large one?

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2003-05-20 09:08pm

Again, the SSD has too much mass for 36 piddly fighter grade engines. I would think that the gravity from the SSDs mass alone would keep the fighters from jumping to hyperspace.

Oh yeah, before I forget again, the Feds win this one.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-05-20 09:15pm

YT300000 wrote:Each fighter has countermeasures (chaff or flare, depends on pilot preference), a full load of warheads, and a beam weapon (tractor, jamming, cloak, depends on the mission profile). The SSD could keep resuplying 36 fighters for a looooooooong time, possibly for decades.

does that include spare pilots? I didnt see q taking them with him, and it means continous dueling.

and ties are *hard* to hit. . .

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-05-20 09:18pm

Darth Yoshi wrote:Again, the SSD has too much mass for 36 piddly fighter grade engines. I would think that the gravity from the SSDs mass alone would keep the fighters from jumping to hyperspace.

Oh yeah, before I forget again, the Feds win this one.

Just throwing out possibilities.

I agree. The Feds win.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-05-20 09:36pm

[quote="Admiral Johnason]

Also, you don't start doing a type of thread that has been done many a time. that is the quickest way to get both flamed and chewed.

This thread needs to be locked as it is officially chiched now and forever more. No more groups getting flung into the Federation and taking on an the entire Fed fleet, no matter what the numbers.[/quote]

I'm sorry, I only lurked for about 10 minutes before joining the board. I didn't realize until after I posted this topic that there were other ones almost exactly like this one.

Therefore: Self-Poke

But I actually do think that, with really good strategies, and avoiding overwhelming confrontations with Starfleet, 36 of the absolute best fighters in the Star Wars galaxy would inflict severe damages on the Federation.

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