billy graham email

[Enforcer Talen]

Billy Graham's daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson asked
her "How could God let something like this happen?" (regarding the attacks on
Sept. 11).

Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said "I
believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've been
telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get
out of our lives.

And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we
expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us
alone?"

In light of recent events...terrorists attack, school shootings, etc. I think it
started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found recently)
complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK.

Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school ... the Bible says
thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself.
And we said OK.

Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave
because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their
self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide). We said an expert should know
what he's talking about. And we said OK.

Then someone said teachers and principals better not discipline our children
when they misbehave. The school administrators said no faculty member in this
school better touch a student when they misbehave because we don't want any bad
publicity, and we surely don't want to be sued (there's a big difference between
disciplining, touching, beating, smacking, humiliating, kicking, etc.). And we
said OK.

Then someone said, let's let our daughters have abortions if they want, and they
won't even have to tell their parents. And we said OK.

Then some wise school board member said, since boys will be boys and they're
going to do it anyway, let's give our sons all the condoms they want so they can
have all the fun they desire, and we won't have to tell their parents they got
them at school. And we said OK.

Then some of our top elected officials said it doesn't matter what we do in
private as long as we do our jobs. Agreeing with them, we said it doesn't matter
to me what anyone, including the President, does in private as long as I have a
job and the economy is good.

Then someone said let's print magazines with pictures of nude women and call it
wholesome, down-to-earth appreciation for the beauty of the female body. And we
said OK.

And then someone else took that appreciation a step further and published
pictures of nude children and then further again by making them available on the
Internet. And we said OK, they're entitled to free speech.

Then the entertainment industry said, let's make TV shows and movies that
promote profanity, violence, and illicit sex. Let's record music that encourages
rape, drugs, murder, suicide, and satanic themes. And we said it's just
entertainment, it has no adverse effect, nobody takes it seriously anyway, so go
right ahead.

Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't
know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their
classmates, and themselves.

Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I
think it has a great deal to do with "WE REAP WHAT WE SOW."

Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's
going to hell. Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what
the Bible says.

Funny how you can send 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like wildfire but
when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about
sharing.

Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through
cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and
workplace.

Are you laughing?

Funny how when you forward this message, you will not send it to many on your
address list because you're not sure what they believe, or what they WILL think
of you for sending it. Funny how we can be more worried about what other people
think of us than what God thinks of us.

Pass it on if you think it has merit. If not then just discard it... no one will
know you did. But, if you discard this thought process, don't sit back and
complain about what bad shape the world is in!

[Darth Yoshi]

Wasn't something like this posted before already?

Funny how when you forward this message, you will not send it to many on your
address list because you're not sure what they believe, or what they WILL think
of you for sending it. Funny how we can be more worried about what other people
think of us than what God thinks of us.

Anyway, I generally don't care what other people think of me either, but seeing as these are tangible people, of course I'll rate them higher than an intangible diety.

[Starscream]

I got that one awhile back. I chose not to send it on to anyone, just like every other forwarded message I get, because the majority are spam and the rest ( like this one) basically say you are a terrible person if you don't send it on to 50 people, which just pisses me off.

[Frank Hipper]

I wish I got fun e-mail like that.

[NapoleonGH]

well whoever sent it/wrote it is a moron, and i really am begining to seriously reconsider my position on the death penalty, and the creation of the crime of stupidity, the only necessary capital crime. If you do/say anything ludicrisly stupid, you are executed, there is no appeal.








(if anyone didnt get it, my deathpenalty for stupidity statement is a joke)

[neoolong]

Did your mom send you that one like the other one?

[Superman]

What a bunch of crap. Bad things happen in all societies at any given time. Look at the plague in Europe! It was a freggin theocracy at the time!

[Queeb Salaron]

Let's debunk, shall we?

"I
believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've been
telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get
out of our lives.

Yes, true.

And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we
expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us
alone?"

God is a gentleman? Well then. Tell that to the Sodomites.

In light of recent events...terrorists attack, school shootings, etc. I think it
started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found recently)
complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK.

Ah, I see. So Sept. 11th is Madeleine O'Hare's fault. That explains it.

And why did the author find it necessary to include the fact that she was murdered? Divine retribution, perhaps? I think not.

And yes, we said OK. School is no place for prayer. If you're going to say that schools don't promote morality through prayer, then what's your argument for what happens AFTER school? Children go to school from roughly 8-3. That's 7 hours a day. When they go home, they can be innundated with more morality than you can shake a stick at. On the weekends, parents can teach their children all the morality they want. A child's lack of a conscience is NOT two things: First, it is NOT the fault of the schools. Schools are a place for learning arts and sciences, not religion (unless otherwise specified). Two, a child's conscience is NOT a result of religious indoctrination. Aquinas said (and the doctrine of nearly all Christian branches agrees) that morality does NOT come from religion, but from within. Religion teaches you how to USE morality, not how to FORM morality.

Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school ... the Bible says
thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself.
And we said OK.

And we replaced the bible with lessons in law and order, crime and punishment. We teach children that if you kill, you will be imprisioned. We teach that if you steal, you will be punished. We teach that goodness and kindness are often rewarded. We make children read non-religious stories that give the same morals as the Bible, and we lose the heated religious ties that spur hatred and prejudice. Paradoxically, putting the Bible into a child's curriculum will only inspire violence and bigotry. There are other ways.

Beyond all of this, what do children have to do with September 11th?

Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave
because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their
self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide). We said an expert should know
what he's talking about. And we said OK.

And I fail to see what is wrong with this. To hit children is unacceptable, even in the most extreme Christian sects. Culturally, it is acceptable in certain parts of the world, particularly in the southern US. But morally, it is reprehensible. Jesus said, "Love thy neighbor." Is hitting a form of love? Or are there other ways of showing affection while correcting behavior?

Again, Dr. Spock's son committed suicide. Fine. Divine retribution? Hypocrisy? I doubt it.

Then someone said teachers and principals better not discipline our children
when they misbehave. The school administrators said no faculty member in this
school better touch a student when they misbehave because we don't want any bad
publicity, and we surely don't want to be sued (there's a big difference between
disciplining, touching, beating, smacking, humiliating, kicking, etc.). And we
said OK.

Again, to advocate beatings (especially in a scholastic environment) is positively wrong. "Love thy neighbor." "Do unto others." "Turn the other cheek." These phrases are explicitly against hitting for punishment. And, for the record, the idea that schools take no disciplinary action against students who misbehave is ludicrous. Schools have ways of disciplining students, and these methods, by and large, work. And they do NOT involve physical punishment.

Then someone said, let's let our daughters have abortions if they want, and they
won't even have to tell their parents. And we said OK.

We also said that once a child turns 18, the age at which a mother doesn't have to tell her parents about the abortion, they are adults and capable of making their own decisions. This rite is backed up by the Church. In fact, if the church had its way, the age of adulthood would be 16 or 17, as that is the age at which children become adults in the eyes of the Church. Confirmation is the rite of declaring the severing of apron strings, in a manner of speaking; this is where a persons beliefs are defined as their own and not the indoctrinated beliefs of their parents. And if a woman is capable of making the decision as to how she will dedicate her soul, and how her actions will help her to acheive full human personhood through Jesus Christ, why can she not make simple corporal decisions that only affect her mortal life?

Then some wise school board member said, since boys will be boys and they're
going to do it anyway, let's give our sons all the condoms they want so they can
have all the fun they desire, and we won't have to tell their parents they got
them at school. And we said OK.

The availability of condoms does not promote sex. This has been proven time and time again. If two people want to have sex, they will have sex, regardless of where they get the condoms. The alternative, not giving out condoms at school, only delays the inevitable. And yet again, it is not the job of the school to install a moral code into students. The responsibilities of a school are limited to academics, the provision of an environment in which academics are easily conveyed, and the provision of an environment in which the students are safe.

Then some of our top elected officials said it doesn't matter what we do in
private as long as we do our jobs. Agreeing with them, we said it doesn't matter
to me what anyone, including the President, does in private as long as I have a
job and the economy is good.

And if we start interfering with the lives of others with our morality, what is to stop us from taking it too far? The slippery slope fallacy here does not exist, because this mentality has already been applied. Two gay men were arrested for having sex in the confines of their own home in Texas. This is wrong. This is the very premise on which the Crusades were conducted: Heretics needed to be wiped out. The same is true for the Inquisition. And the Salem Witch trials. The Church has come forward and said that all of these things are completely reprehensible, besmirching the reputation of an otherwise upstanding and charitable congregation of people. And now the author of this piece throws away all apologies and states that this kind of thing was perfectly acceptable, because even if it is practiced in private, and even if it does not offend or harm anyone including the person who is committing the amoral or immoral heresy, what Christians deem immoral is ALWAYS immoral and MUST be punished.

Let's see what other basic inalienable human rights we can take away.

Then someone said let's print magazines with pictures of nude women and call it
wholesome, down-to-earth appreciation for the beauty of the female body. And we
said OK.

I'd like to know which magazine the author is refering to, because I have never seen a "wholesome" magazine with naked women in it.

And for the record, Michaelangelo's painting on the cieling of the Sistine Chapel in the Vatican has many naked women in it.

And then someone else took that appreciation a step further and published
pictures of nude children and then further again by making them available on the
Internet. And we said OK, they're entitled to free speech.

Wrong. We said, OK, let's lock the bastards in jail and throw away the key.

Then the entertainment industry said, let's make TV shows and movies that
promote profanity, violence, and illicit sex. Let's record music that encourages
rape, drugs, murder, suicide, and satanic themes. And we said it's just
entertainment, it has no adverse effect, nobody takes it seriously anyway, so go
right ahead.

And then YOU said, "Hey, let's promote the bible in schools and teach kids that it's ok to kill gay people, and that women are subordinate to men, and that some races were created to be enslaved. Let's fill their heads with fantastical ideas of miracles and resurrections. Let's teach them the contradictions of Christianity, and tell them to believe anything they want, with or without proof. Let's teach them that if you misbehave, God will kill you and everyone you associate with. Let's strike the fear of God into the hearts of the masses, teach close-mindedness and exclusivism, and bring the world to its knees in genuflection."

This is the Word of the Lord. Thanks be to God.

Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't
know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their
classmates, and themselves.

Hm. It doesn't bother children to kill others? Last time I checked, and last time the statistics were shown to me, black men between the ages of 21-29 committed the most single-victim murders. Those are hardly children. White men of the same age group commit the most double-victim murders. White men between the ages of 30 and 39 commit the most triple-victim and mass (4+ victims) murders.

...Where do children come in?

If you're talking about school shootings, consider this: The average student (K - Grad school) has a better chance of being killed as a result of being struck by lightning than being killed by a school killer. Your numbers, fair author, just don't add up.

Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I
think it has a great deal to do with "WE REAP WHAT WE SOW."

True. If you sow (which is a pig) ignorance, then you will reap ignorance. If you sow exclusivism, you will reap exclusivism. If you sow sexism, racism, bigotry, hatemongering, and homophobia, then you will reap a race of the most abhorrent human beings ever to grace the planet since the Crusades.

Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's
going to hell. Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what
the Bible says.

Consider this: The Gospels are nothing more than reportedly historical accounts of the life of Jesus, correct? They are reported as they were rumored to happen (though they were written a generation removed from Jesus himself). So if this is all fact, why are newspapers so much different?

And yes, we believe the newspapers. I read in the newspapers that there was a man shot across the street from my school. Sure enough, there was a man shot across the street from my school. The paper gives the results of the latest Red Sox game. Sure enough, the results were as given. Tell me that Jesus actually DID walk on water, dear author, and I'll show you the difference between fact and rumor, and what we should believe.

Funny how you can send 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like wildfire but
when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about
sharing.

Jokes are amusing and witty. This is depressing and ignorant.

Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through
cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and
workplace.

Public discussion of God gets people laughed at. It would be fair to say that if people openly discussed God, there would be a lot fewer Christians, and a lot more atheists.

Are you laughing?

Do you blame me?

Funny how when you forward this message, you will not send it to many on your
address list because you're not sure what they believe, or what they WILL think
of you for sending it. Funny how we can be more worried about what other people
think of us than what God thinks of us.

I'm bisexual. I know what God thinks of me. He'd have burned me with Sodom and Gammorrah. Why should I believe in a God that wants me dead?

Pass it on if you think it has merit. If not then just discard it... no one will
know you did. But, if you discard this thought process, don't sit back and
complain about what bad shape the world is in!

I have every right to complain about what bad shape the world is in. Your God put it there. And I hate him for it.

[Enforcer Talen]

Did your mom send you that one like the other one?

yep. and kudos to queeb.

[Queeb Salaron]

yep. and kudos to queeb.

Oh, that's right... your mom is trying to get you to convert, huh? ::sighs:: Well, feel free to send her my response to that, if you so desire. Or debunk her yourself.

And thanks for the kudos. I like kudos.

::Munches Kudos::

[Peregrin Toker]

Let's debunk, shall we?

Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave
because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their
self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide). We said an expert should know
what he's talking about. And we said OK.

Those damn Vulcans! Can't they do anything right?

And then YOU said, "Hey, let's promote the bible in schools and teach kids that it's ok to kill gay people, and that women are subordinate to men, and that some races were created to be enslaved. Let's fill their heads with fantastical ideas of miracles and resurrections. Let's teach them the contradictions of Christianity, and tell them to believe anything they want, with or without proof. Let's teach them that if you misbehave, God will kill you and everyone you associate with. Let's strike the fear of God into the hearts of the masses, teach close-mindedness and exclusivism, and bring the world to its knees in genuflection."

This is the Word of the Lord. Thanks be to God.

Right on, Queeb!

[Enforcer Talen]

yep. and kudos to queeb.

Oh, that's right... your mom is trying to get you to convert, huh? ::sighs:: Well, feel free to send her my response to that, if you so desire. Or debunk her yourself.

And thanks for the kudos. I like kudos.

::Munches Kudos::

raised a christian, she thinks Im a christian maltheist, as I told her some 4 months ago. I havent told her that Ive dropped it entirely, but she does know our beliefs differ, mainly due to the fact of my laughing out loud whenever the gospel comes up, and demanding my sisters follow my orders, cuz their only chicks and Im quoting the bible.

one sis is uber fundy - it amuses me to debate her.

response sent.

[Zoink]

Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said "I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our lives.

And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?"
............

According to Anne Graham:

-Anne Graham has been asking God to get out of her life (ie. "we").
-the people that died on 9/11 got what they were asking for.
-God is incabable of earthly influence unless we pray in school, being the gentleman that he is.

[neoolong]

One thing though. One might wonder if any of the people that died on Sept. 11 were Christians that supported all the stuff she says should have been in schools. If so, then God's a real prick for killing them when they followed what she said Christians should support.

[Setesh]

Let's debunk, shall we?

snipped snip snip

This is the very premise on which the Crusades were conducted: Heretics needed to be wiped out. The same is true for the Inquisition. And the Salem Witch trials.

Its kindof interesting that each of these examples involved an ignorant population deceived via religeon by people with less than 'holy' motives

The crusades were started by a Pope trying to become a ruler of europe.
The Inquisitions all started with the usual though unfortunate pogram against jews (side note its been a pet peeve of mine that the spanish inqusition got the bad rap when they tortured and killed the fewest, they deported most their jews and heretics, while germany killed a quarter million in their inquisition and most people don't even know there was a German Inqusition)
The Salem Witch hunt was more about money than sorcery, after the first trial they went after the wealthy as 'witches'

[DarthBlight]

Billy Graham's daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson asked
her "How could God let something like this happen?" (regarding the attacks on
Sept. 11).

Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said "I
believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've been
telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get
out of our lives.

And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we
expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us
alone?"

Misquote. http://www.snopes.com/rumors/wheregod.htm

In light of recent events...terrorists attack, school shootings, etc. I think it
started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found recently)
complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK.

Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school ... the Bible says
thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself.
And we said OK.

Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave
because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their
self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide).

Another urban legend.
http://www.snopes.com/medical/doctor/drspock.htm

We said an expert should know
what he's talking about. And we said OK.

Maybe people should be more schooled in appeals to authority.

Then someone said teachers and principals better not discipline our children
when they misbehave. The school administrators said no faculty member in this
school better touch a student when they misbehave because we don't want any bad
publicity, and we surely don't want to be sued (there's a big difference between
disciplining, touching, beating, smacking, humiliating, kicking, etc.). And we
said OK.

There's at least one dickhead cop that would disagree with you. He felt it necessary to punch a wall in front of a 13 year-old.

Then someone said, let's let our daughters have abortions if they want, and they
won't even have to tell their parents. And we said OK.

Strawman.

Then some wise school board member said, since boys will be boys and they're
going to do it anyway, let's give our sons all the condoms they want so they can
have all the fun they desire, and we won't have to tell their parents they got
them at school. And we said OK.

Strawman.

Then some of our top elected officials said it doesn't matter what we do in
private as long as we do our jobs. Agreeing with them, we said it doesn't matter
to me what anyone, including the President, does in private as long as I have a
job and the economy is good.

Point being?

Then someone said let's print magazines with pictures of nude women and call it
wholesome, down-to-earth appreciation for the beauty of the female body. And we
said OK.

Strawman verging on an outright lie.

And then someone else took that appreciation a step further and published
pictures of nude children and then further again by making them available on the
Internet. And we said OK, they're entitled to free speech.

Outright lie.

Then the entertainment industry said, let's make TV shows and movies that
promote profanity, violence, and illicit sex. Let's record music that encourages
rape, drugs, murder, suicide, and satanic themes. And we said it's just
entertainment, it has no adverse effect, nobody takes it seriously anyway, so go
right ahead.

There was violence, sex, and profanity in entertainment as long as it has been around. Read Shakespeare, listen to the radio plays. Look at those old-time cartoons and Westerns old folks wax so poetic about.

<snip rest for reasons of being pure drivel and already debunked>
Sometimes I wish spam e-mail had the original e-mail author so people can go to these people and make them shut up.

[Queeb Salaron]

Its kindof interesting that each of these examples involved an ignorant population deceived via religeon by people with less than 'holy' motives

It's also interesting that people who write such fantastical shit as the stuff in the OP are also of that same ignorant population, only they are the ones trying to swindle us.

The crusades were started by a Pope trying to become a ruler of europe.

There is no more evil Pope. I'd like to see what excuse the person who wrote that email has. Really, this is the first time I've seen a fundie go so far as to advocate for the beating of children.

The Inquisitions all started with the usual though unfortunate pogram against jews (side note its been a pet peeve of mine that the spanish inqusition got the bad rap when they tortured and killed the fewest, they deported most their jews and heretics, while germany killed a quarter million in their inquisition and most people don't even know there was a German Inqusition)

A) So because it was the usual treatment of the Jews, that makes it right?
B) Because the German Inquisition was worse, that makes the Spanish Inquisition ok? Please explain.

The Salem Witch hunt was more about money than sorcery, after the first trial they went after the wealthy as 'witches'

And yet we still hear fundies bitching about witchcraft and how Satanic it is. Which is one of the more ignorant claims of Fundiism.

[Frank Hipper]

I, also, have heard that the English and German inquisitions were worse than the Spanish. The Spanish got it's bad reputation from German and English propaganda of the time, ironically enough. This is assuming the information on a TV show is reliable, of course!
You know, all you hear these days is "inquisition" and "crusades". Doesn't anybody remember the witch hysteria in Europe? Talk about your religious bloodbaths!

[HemlockGrey]

Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves.

Not for long, you won't.

Lock and load!

[Johonebesus]

I used to get crap like that until I told my Baptist friend how stupid and annoying I found the stuff and started sending her all kinds of anti-Christian jokes and things like the dihydrogen oxide petition that she couldn't even understand. She finally learned not to worry me with idiotic spam.

[Setesh]

A) So because it was the usual treatment of the Jews, that makes it right?
B) Because the German Inquisition was worse, that makes the Spanish Inquisition ok? Please explain.

Did I say it was right, no I didn't, I said it wasn't unusual for the time.
The spanish inqusition was wrong just not as monsterously bloody as its neighbors who later acted like the spaniards inqusition was a big shocking revelation as an excuse to build up war fever

The Salem Witch hunt was more about money than sorcery, after the first trial they went after the wealthy as 'witches'

And yet we still hear fundies bitching about witchcraft and how Satanic it is. Which is one of the more ignorant claims of Fundiism.[/quote]

especially since most of their claims are directed at 'wicca' which is less then 50 years old and involves neither god, devil, or demon

[Enforcer Talen]

ach, but if gods not in it, then its the devils handiwork! -whap- you should know that.

[Death from the Sea]

Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave
because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their
self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide). We said an expert should know
what he's talking about. And we said OK.

And I fail to see what is wrong with this. To hit children is unacceptable, even in the most extreme Christian sects. Culturally, it is acceptable in certain parts of the world, particularly in the southern US. But morally, it is reprehensible. Jesus said, "Love thy neighbor." Is hitting a form of love? Or are there other ways of showing affection while correcting behavior?

Again, Dr. Spock's son committed suicide. Fine. Divine retribution? Hypocrisy? I doubt it.

Hitting a child(too abuse) and spanking(for punishment) a child are two different things, with different motovations. Children have to learn that their actions have consequnces and if the consquence is a sore butt from a spanking they are more likely to realize that.
Besides are you really going to take advice on raising children from someone who obviously didn't do it very well himself? I mean come on, if his techniques were so great at child rearing then his child should have been strong enough(mentally&emotionally) to overcome whatever caused him to committ suicide.

[Queeb Salaron]

Hitting a child(too abuse) and spanking(for punishment) a child are two different things, with different motovations. Children have to learn that their actions have consequnces and if the consquence is a sore butt from a spanking they are more likely to realize that.

Yeah, but you're forgetting one thing: Kids who are raised and hit as punishment are conditioned to associate abuse (in a loose sense) with deviance. This knife cuts both ways. They could stop being deviant due to the punishment, or they could form some strange sensory adaptation to the beatings to the point where they don't have any effect anymore. Also, this association between deviance and physical punishment will carry over into adulthood, on the roles will be switched. Now whenever he sees deviance, the man who was abused as a boy will find it ok to hit children when they misbehave.

And your advocation for hitting children is disturbing.

Besides are you really going to take advice on raising children from someone who obviously didn't do it very well himself? I mean come on, if his techniques were so great at child rearing then his child should have been strong enough(mentally&emotionally) to overcome whatever caused him to committ suicide.

Again, this is an urban myth. Spock's son suffered from severe seasonal depression, a bioneurological disorder. It had nothing to do with how he was raised. Do your research.

EDIT: And it has just come to my attention that despite this disorder, both of Spock's sons are still alive and well. See the link in the other debunking post.

[Durandal]

"'Thank the Lord'? That sounds like a prayer ... prayer in a public school! GOD HAS NO PLACE IN THESE WALLS!"
-Superintendent Chalmers