So, who came first?

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2003-05-20 11:19pm

What do you think the answer is to the age-old question: Which came first: The chicken or the egg?

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-05-20 11:20pm

The egg was laid by an animal resembling the modern chicken nearly perfectly. Out of that egg came what we know as the chicken.

The egg came first.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-05-20 11:26pm

What he said. It was a great moment of my young life when I came to that conclusion by myself.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-05-21 12:39am

technically speaking, reptiles have been laying shelled eggs since long before the chicken(or any bird) came into existence.

Post by **Kuja** » 2003-05-21 12:47am

I ate them both. *burp*

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-05-21 01:10am

Egg stuffed chicken. A delightful dish.

Raxmei · Post by **Raxmei** » 2003-05-21 01:33am

Every time I see the title of this thread, the phrase "she did" comes to mind. Sad, really. I don't even have a girlfriend.

Sr.mal · Post by **Sr.mal** » 2003-05-21 01:43am

What came first? What they evolved from.

Starscream · Post by **Starscream** » 2003-05-21 01:59am

Raxmei wrote:Every time I see the title of this thread, the phrase "she did" comes to mind. Sad, really. I don't even have a girlfriend.

You must be a virgin to, the female orgasm is a myth perpetuated by the porn industry.

Lord of the Farce · Post by **Lord of the Farce** » 2003-05-21 02:24am

Where did the chicken come from? The egg.
Where did the egg come from? The precursor species to the chickens, of course.

Sriad · Post by **Sriad** » 2003-05-21 02:41am

Neither.
There is no "chicken," no "egg," ONLY ZUUL!!!

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2003-05-21 02:44am

There is no chicken. There is no egg. Just like:

THERE IS NO SPOON!

There is only the Matrix...

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-05-21 02:50am

No. You will all bow before Zod.

Sriad · Post by **Sriad** » 2003-05-21 03:16am

neoolong wrote:No. You will all bow before Zod.

Hah, that's what you think!

I'll kneel before Zod!

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-05-21 03:35am

Sriad wrote:
neoolong wrote:No. You will all bow before Zod.
Hah, that's what you think!

I'll kneel before Zod!

Zod likes having his followers bow before him now.

And, why do you say this to me when you know I will kill you for it?

Drooling Iguana · Post by **Drooling Iguana** » 2003-05-21 03:40am

Eggs are a breakfast food.

Chicken is more typically eaten with lunch and supper.

Therefore, the egg comes first.

aphexmonster · Post by **aphexmonster** » 2003-05-21 04:11am

If i were one to belive in the " bible, ' and was one to belive in the " God," I would have to belive that he created the chicken as well to lay the egg at some point in the timeline. However, i choose not to follow either, but the chicken comming first just makes more sense. Perhaps something like it came and layed an egg that spawned a chicken... thats my two sense.

Hethrir · Post by **Hethrir** » 2003-05-21 04:25am

I say God created the Chicken. But either way, the egg needed a chicken of some sort to lay it.

Lord of the Farce · Post by **Lord of the Farce** » 2003-05-21 05:14am

Hethrir wrote:But either way, the egg needed a chicken of some sort to lay it.

Nobody specified whether it was a chicken egg or not. Obviously, one does not actually need a chicken to get an egg, but you need an egg for a chicken to hatch from!

The Third Man · Post by **The Third Man** » 2003-05-21 06:18am

We could refine the question and ask 'Which came first the chicken or the chicken-egg?"

And we'd then have to define what we mean by 'chicken'. Assuming an evolutionary origin for the domestic chicken, we could imagine tracing its ancestors back, Eventually we'd come to a point were mother not-quite-chicken and father not-quite-chicken got together and produced something that satisified our criteria and was a chicken. This would be the first chicken. Call it Chicken-prime.

Now the question becomes - is the egg that Chicken-prime hatched from a chicken-egg? Again this comes down to definitions. I guess we'd define a chicken-egg as being 'an egg laid by a chicken' As the egg from which chicken-prime hatched could not possibly be a chicken-egg, there being no previously-existing chicken to produce it, we can conclude that the chicken existed before the chicken-egg.

However, it could be argued the other way, if we defined a chicken egg as 'any egg that contains what we define genetically as a chicken, regardless of the source of the egg'. This way, egg comes first.

To make a choice between these two alternatives, I'm let down by my lack of knowledge about eggs. Specifically, do the non-embryo parts of an egg (shell, albumen, yolk etc) contain genetic material from the mother? If they do, then we have a much stronger DNA-based definition for the chicken-eggness of any given egg. Since the egg containing chicken-prime would contain the DNA of mother-not-quite-chicken, we can say that it is not a chicken-egg, and again the answer is that the chicken came first.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-05-21 07:16am

It was a great moment of my young life when I came to that conclusion by myself.

Same here.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2003-05-21 09:20am

Drooling Iguana wrote:Eggs are a breakfast food.

Chicken is more typically eaten with lunch and supper.

Therefore, the egg comes first.

In my current state of hunger, I'm more inclined to believe in this one...

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-05-21 09:30am

The egg came first.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-05-21 09:38am

Abiogenesis came first.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-05-21 09:40am

We could refine the question and ask 'Which came first the chicken or the chicken-egg?"

Infinite regress. No point.

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