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Just bashing Crossovermaniac for his rampant stupidity

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And you tell when have SW ships ever fired their weapons at maximum power outside of the Battle of Hoth? Everytime someone points out evidence of a low yield, you scream "It's at a lower setting." Slave-1's cannons are suppose to fire a tactical nuke-level blast each shot, yet, we didn't see that when it was firing at Obi Wan on the Kamino landing port when he was in ship flying though the Genoshian plantary ring debris. Since the gun was firing at 0.14 kilotons at full power, it must mean someone turned the power to a fraction of a percent of the power its capable of OR the ship just can't fire 0.14 kiloton-level blasts (and, no, I'm not saying SW-weapons don't have power settings because they do, it's just that I find it funny that most of them are set at 0.0001% power most of the time). A few people like myself begin to wonder when do they fire weapons at full power in the SW-universe anyway?
LOL! Obviously this fool doesn't still know how do the math, he's been whining and bitching about this for a long time.

Man it's painfull to see how ignorant he is of science, he still clings like a 2 cent whore a cock to that figure even though it was disproven heavily.
Given that the figure which he took from a site regarding nuclear tests and used a centrally placed explosive and the material was basalt, not nickle/iron... Tsk tsk... I even spoke to the guy from that site and he shredded his conclusions too, yet her persists in his delusions.
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Ummm why didn't Slave 1's blast do at least some moderately large explosions in Kamino?
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Shroom Man 777 wrote:Ummm why didn't Slave 1's blast do at least some moderately large explosions in Kamino?
Who cares?
They did KT level damage in space.
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His Divine Shadow wrote:
Shroom Man 777 wrote:Ummm why didn't Slave 1's blast do at least some moderately large explosions in Kamino?
Who cares?
They did KT level damage in space.
Does it have something to do with MT/GT/KTs being either tonnes of TNT or joules? @_@
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It's also interesting to note how he thinks they should explode with the force of a nuclear bomb, jeez, didn't this guy learn anything? :roll:
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Shroom Man 777 wrote:Does it have something to do with MT/GT/KTs being either tonnes of TNT or joules? @_@
They did KT level damage in space, as much as the ICS says they're weapons are, KT as in kiloton, kiloton as in 4,184 terajoules.
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Shroom Man 777 wrote:Ummm why didn't Slave 1's blast do at least some moderately large explosions in Kamino?
because Boba didn't want to blow up his father. he must have lowered the setting, because Slave 1 demonstrated a much higher yield in space.
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Shroom Man 777 wrote:Ummm why didn't Slave 1's blast do at least some moderately large explosions in Kamino?
Because it's bad policy to set your weapons to max and start blowing up the houses of your employers.
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The reasons why are actually quite irrelevant when we see what the Slave-1 is capable of in space, people tend to ignore that
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Shroom Man 777 wrote:Ummm why didn't Slave 1's blast do at least some moderately large explosions in Kamino?
1. The material of the Kamino buildings. It's almost constant storms and this is several tens of thousands of years into the future. Basically, material composition must be stronger, or is at least very possible.

2. Slave 1's blast is an energy weapon. A nuke, if detonated in space, is just a bright flash, shockwave, and radiation. This is because there's no material for the nuke to combust/interact with, like dirt, to make the giant mushroom cloud. This relates to point 1: the Kaminoan building material does not vaporize/combust as easily as typical dirt.

3. The simplest explanation is that while a nuke expends energy in a spherical and uncontrolled fashion, a blaster shot is focused energy. Most of the KT energy is transferred into heat, which the Kaminoan building's material could absorb relatively easily.


I think I've gotten a few physics terms wrong, but the basic ideas are there.
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Shroom Man 777 wrote:Ummm why didn't Slave 1's blast do at least some moderately large explosions in Kamino?
Because those were NOT the main guns, dumbass.
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Even if it's focused energy, thats not a reason to leave the power-cells charged, common sense would be to empty them of as much energy as possible.
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His Divine Shadow wrote:
Shroom Man 777 wrote:Does it have something to do with MT/GT/KTs being either tonnes of TNT or joules? @_@
They did KT level damage in space, as much as the ICS says they're weapons are, KT as in kiloton, kiloton as in 4,184 terajoules.



Megaton is ~4000 TJ, a kiloton is just 4.184.
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Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:
His Divine Shadow wrote:
Shroom Man 777 wrote:Does it have something to do with MT/GT/KTs being either tonnes of TNT or joules? @_@
They did KT level damage in space, as much as the ICS says they're weapons are, KT as in kiloton, kiloton as in 4,184 terajoules.
Megaton is ~4000 TJ, a kiloton is just 4.184.
It rather goes without saying that a Megaton is 4184TJ doesn't it?
Anyway, why are you repeating what I said?
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His Divine Shadow wrote:It rather goes without saying that a Megaton is 4184TJ doesn't it?
Anyway, why are you repeating what I said?
Probably because he didn't realize you are in Europe where 4,000 = 4 and 4.000 = 4000. In the US 4,000 = 4000 and 4.000 = 4.
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Bartman wrote:
His Divine Shadow wrote:It rather goes without saying that a Megaton is 4184TJ doesn't it?
Anyway, why are you repeating what I said?
Probably because he didn't realize you are in Europe where 4,000 = 4 and 4.000 = 4000. In the US 4,000 = 4000 and 4.000 = 4.
Oooh....
That is indeed problematic, infact I don't know half the time myself what I should use, or wich one would be more proper...
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All the explanations present thus far are based on what could be factors. But the truth is this: The gun was not fully charged. It was fired during preflight warmup, and only had enough power for a fraction of a shot. this is what is presented in the Novel, fits with the facts, and is the explanation Saxton used.
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Ender wrote:All the explanations present thus far are based on what could be factors. But the truth is this: The gun was not fully charged. It was fired during preflight warmup, and only had enough power for a fraction of a shot. this is what is presented in the Novel, fits with the facts, and is the explanation Saxton used.
And in the Inside The Worlds of AOTC, on page 17, it states [about the landing platforms, specifically the one Slave 1 sits on]
A shield generator on the underside, however, can be activated to protect the ship from power overloads during electrical storms.
So Slave 1 could have been insulated by sitting on the platform.
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Ender wrote:All the explanations present thus far are based on what could be factors. But the truth is this: The gun was not fully charged. It was fired during preflight warmup, and only had enough power for a fraction of a shot. this is what is presented in the Novel, fits with the facts, and is the explanation Saxton used.
Oh. I never read the novel.
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There is allways the tiny matter that people like CrossoverManiac tend to just ignore which HDS allready mentioned: Did Boba truly want to blow up his dad, the ship and a good portion of the goddamn landing platform to get a single jedi master? Maybe its just me but considering how they were planning to escape in one piece that would not be the smartest option available.
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Rightous Fist Of Heaven wrote:There is allways the tiny matter that people like CrossoverManiac tend to just ignore which HDS allready mentioned: Did Boba truly want to blow up his dad, the ship and a good portion of the goddamn landing platform to get a single jedi master? Maybe its just me but considering how they were planning to escape in one piece that would not be the smartest option available.
Actually, all thats irrelevant, he can think what he wants about that, whats relevant is that he thinks that the asteroids being blown up required around .14KT or so, this he got from an utterly flawed conclusion.
His response was pretty much that he didn't believe anything I said.
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His Divine Shadow wrote:
Rightous Fist Of Heaven wrote:There is allways the tiny matter that people like CrossoverManiac tend to just ignore which HDS allready mentioned: Did Boba truly want to blow up his dad, the ship and a good portion of the goddamn landing platform to get a single jedi master? Maybe its just me but considering how they were planning to escape in one piece that would not be the smartest option available.
Actually, all thats irrelevant, he can think what he wants about that, whats relevant is that he thinks that the asteroids being blown up required around .14KT or so, this he got from an utterly flawed conclusion.
His response was pretty much that he didn't believe anything I said.
Well in essence thats not irrelevant, because what is the fucking point
in even bothering to try and escape when the first occasion they run into an opponent they decide to create massive amounts of destruction that will kill them and their opponent. No point. But CrossoverManiac shouldnt be taken too seriously, just like Dorkstar he will ditch everything that is inconvinient for him out of the window or then he'll just ignore it.
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Bartman wrote:
His Divine Shadow wrote:It rather goes without saying that a Megaton is 4184TJ doesn't it?
Anyway, why are you repeating what I said?
Probably because he didn't realize you are in Europe where 4,000 = 4 and 4.000 = 4000. In the US 4,000 = 4000 and 4.000 = 4.
Is this another EU (RL EU not the SW EU) thing as in the England it's the same as US.
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2000AD wrote:
Bartman wrote:
His Divine Shadow wrote:It rather goes without saying that a Megaton is 4184TJ doesn't it?
Anyway, why are you repeating what I said?
Probably because he didn't realize you are in Europe where 4,000 = 4 and 4.000 = 4000. In the US 4,000 = 4000 and 4.000 = 4.
Is this another EU (RL EU not the SW EU) thing as in the England it's the same as US.
It seems to be primarily a continental European thing, and not even EU-related. It's probably based on either a German or French custom, since they were once continental Europe's 800-pound gorillas of mathematics.

Reminds me of an old newspaper headline a teacher of mine once brought up: "Fog over the Channel. Continent cut off!" The UK and continental Europe often seem farther apart than the UK and the US, despite the monumental difference in scale between the width of the English Channel and the width of the Atlantic Ocean.
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Well not to go off topic but personaly i'd rather be in the 51st State than in the leftwing hellhole that is the EU.
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