[STGOD] Primary Story Thread

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-05-23 04:43pm

They did not have their homes blasted into atoms. They were not afflicted with brutal war viruses. They sat at home, watching the war on TV, grinning over the deaths of our women and children.

The fall of their leaders from power is a small toll, compared to what the millions who died have lost.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-05-23 04:47pm

You seem more worried about the fact they deserted your control than the fact that they have killed thousands. We suspect your ability to give them a fair trial, as you have already asserted that your nation has a bias towards the pirates.

We are concerned about the loss of life. But they were legal targets. If you are allowed to slaughter any you wish then we are all in danger.

The Kokand Empire's belligerence earned them their war with us, and the pain they suffered is NOTHING next to the pain felt by our people, and by the millions killed by their brutal usage of Weapons of Mass Destruction against civilian targets

Your attempt to paint the Kokanders as innocent victims is laughable.

You are apparently unfamiliar with what happens when you attack a corned animal. You pushed them to war. Maybe I remind you that it was your forces threats and indeed your planned attacked that started the war.

The Asgard Empire seems bent on starting another war. Perhaps they should begin examining their own belligerence, before insulting other sovereign nations.

Ah, the good old war rhetoric. No doubt I'll find Floater battle groups descending on my people soon for daring to disagree with your murderous conduct.

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2003-05-23 04:48pm

Cpt_Frank wrote:
Thirdfain wrote:The Kokand Empire's belligerence earned them their war with us, and the pain they suffered is NOTHING next to the pain felt by our people, and by the millions killed by their brutal usage of Weapons of Mass Destruction against civilian targets
Who are you to judge the pain felt by the Kokand people?

You want to judge pain? My nation had entire townships wiped right off the map due to Kokkand pre-emptive use of WMDs. You want to judge pain? Look at Italy which the Kokkands bombarded with ships from space. You want to judge pain? You look at the Kokkand Citizens on Epsilon who saw no retailatory WMD attack from us.

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2003-05-23 04:51pm

Stormbringer wrote:
You seem more worried about the fact they deserted your control than the fact that they have killed thousands. We suspect your ability to give them a fair trial, as you have already asserted that your nation has a bias towards the pirates.
We are concerned about the loss of life. But they were legal targets. If you are allowed to slaughter any you wish then we are all in danger.

The KSE wonders why the Asgard consider a civillan convoy a "legal target"

(OOC: KSN only considers military convoys and convoys carrying military supplies to be legal targets in times of war, even then civvies carrying military goods are only to be disableda)

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2003-05-23 04:53pm

Stormbringer wrote:
You seem more worried about the fact they deserted your control than the fact that they have killed thousands. We suspect your ability to give them a fair trial, as you have already asserted that your nation has a bias towards the pirates.
We are concerned about the loss of life. But they were legal targets. If you are allowed to slaughter any you wish then we are all in danger.

Legal targets? For whose legality? And for that matter who are they rebelling against, not the floaters they don't control anything which the pirates could rebel against?

The Kokand Empire's belligerence earned them their war with us, and the pain they suffered is NOTHING next to the pain felt by our people, and by the millions killed by their brutal usage of Weapons of Mass Destruction against civilian targets

Your attempt to paint the Kokanders as innocent victims is laughable.
Victims of what?

You are apparently unfamiliar with what happens when you attack a corned animal. You pushed them to war. Maybe I remind you that it was your forces threats and indeed your planned attacked that started the war.
Due to Kokkand belligerence with placing WMDs on our doorstep and border, and then their refusal to remove them. That's belligerence.

The Asgard Empire seems bent on starting another war. Perhaps they should begin examining their own belligerence, before insulting other sovereign nations.
Ah, the good old war rhetoric. No doubt I'll find Floater battle groups descending on my people soon for daring to disagree with your murderous conduct.

No you wont, because if they do that I will not support them, the NRE will not support them, the DE will not support them, and the KSE will not support them. We (Monacora) would infact be against it, and those who preformed it, and if the Floaters did not back down immeadietly there after they would face war with us as well as you. But I doubt they would even consider doing that.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-05-23 04:54pm

Darksider wrote:The KSE wonders why the Asgard consider a civillan convoy a "legal target"

Thousands of years of historical and legal precedents. A nations ships are fair game. Need I send you files on submarine warfare and other precedents?

Darksider wrote:(OOC: KSN only considers military convoys and convoys carrying military supplies to be legal targets in times of war, even then civvies carrying military goods are only to be disableda)

(OOC: All well and good but history doesn't support that policy)

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2003-05-23 04:57pm

Stormbringer wrote:
Darksider wrote:The KSE wonders why the Asgard consider a civillan convoy a "legal target"
Thousands of years of historical and legal precedents. A nations ships are fair game. Need I send you files on submarine warfare and other precedents?

The slavers which first brought humans and aliens to Krytos made our previous generations well aware of these "Historical precidents" but that is in a time of war, we are at peace.

(OOC: read my force Declaration if you don't know what i'm talking about)

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-05-23 05:00pm

No you wont, because if they do that I will not support them, the NRE will not support them, the DE will not support them, and the KSE will not support them. We (Monacora) would infact be against it, and those who preformed it, and if the Floaters did not back down immeadietly there after they would face war with us as well as you. But I doubt they would even consider doing that.

That is absolutly right. We will not force our policies on you.

We will also not allow you to force your policies on US. We will deal with those who kill our people as we always have. There is an old saying: "Never start a fight, always finish one."

We will finish the fight those pirates started.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-05-23 05:00pm

Legal targets? For whose legality? And for that matter who are they rebelling against, not the floaters they don't control anything which the pirates could rebel against?

We have already explained internation law and precendent once. Need we again?

Due to Kokkand belligerence with placing WMDs on our doorstep and border, and then their refusal to remove them. That's belligerence.

Necessary deterrence given the threats posed by neighbors and allies of the Floaters who attempted to invade Kokand territory.

No you wont, because if they do that I will not support them, the NRE will not support them, the DE will not support them, and the KSE will not support them. We (Monacora) would infact be against it, and those who preformed it, and if the Floaters did not back down immeadietly there after they would face war with us as well as you. But I doubt they would even consider doing that.

Like you condemned them the last time they threatened and bullied another nation into war? Like you prevented them from threatening the Kokand, the very action which started the war? We will not believe your claims of good will when you have demonstrated none.

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2003-05-23 05:07pm

Stormbringer wrote:
Legal targets? For whose legality? And for that matter who are they rebelling against, not the floaters they don't control anything which the pirates could rebel against?
We have already explained internation law and precendent once. Need we again?

Yes you do, because before you said they were "REBELS" and unless they are rebelling against something that definition doesn't fit.

Due to Kokkand belligerence with placing WMDs on our doorstep and border, and then their refusal to remove them. That's belligerence.
Necessary deterrence given the threats posed by neighbors and allies of the Floaters who attempted to invade Kokand territory.

Apparently someone has a short term memory loss, let's recapp past events. I declare trade embargo on Kokkand, they respond with WMDs. War brews because of WMD placement, clear enough? Then how did I threaten to invade them with a TRADE EMBARGO?

No you wont, because if they do that I will not support them, the NRE will not support them, the DE will not support them, and the KSE will not support them. We (Monacora) would infact be against it, and those who preformed it, and if the Floaters did not back down immeadietly there after they would face war with us as well as you. But I doubt they would even consider doing that.

Like you condemned them the last time they threatened and bullied another nation into war? Like you prevented them from threatening the Kokand, the very action which started the war? We will not believe your claims of good will when you have demonstrated none.

When did these events take place? I don't remember, or have you been distorting history again my good friend?

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2003-05-23 05:14pm

Straha wrote:

When did these events take place? I don't remember, or have you been distorting history again my good friend?

Floater's discover admiral O'neil's attack at the ICDEX was supported by Kokand agents (who actually thought they were aiding legitemate revolutionaries within the KSE) the floaters demanded reparations for their lost ships and moved military units into SOL and dlivered an ultimatum. then the Asgard attacked the floaters and the Kokand launched a pre-emptive WMD strike.

(That sums up the events that lead to war with the exception of the trade embargo and "spy sattilite" bullshit)

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-05-23 05:14pm

Yes you do, because before you said they were "REBELS" and unless they are rebelling against something that definition doesn't fit.

They appear to be terrorists, using violent means to draw attention to their cause.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-05-23 05:19pm

Thirdfain wrote:
Yes you do, because before you said they were "REBELS" and unless they are rebelling against something that definition doesn't fit.
They appear to be terrorists, using violent means to draw attention to their cause.

Need I send you a dictionary so I you can look up guerilla warfare? And violence is an inevitable part of war.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-05-23 05:20pm

We are outraged at the historical revisionism attempted by the Asgard; we would not dream of a day when the unprovoked mass-murder of millions would be condoned as a defensive measure.

However, any Kokand warships captured will have their crews and officers extradited to the Asgard Empire.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-05-23 05:24pm

HemlockGrey wrote:We are outraged at the historical revisionism attempted by the Asgard; we would not dream of a day when the unprovoked mass-murder of millions would be condoned as a defensive measure.

That was an attack and an offensive manuever. But the war was defensive in nature.

HemlockGrey wrote:However, any Kokand warships captured will have their crews and officers extradited to the Asgard Empire.

We thank you. We assure you that they will be tried. I think there's little doubt that they are guilty of mutiny.

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2003-05-23 05:24pm

If the renegade warships are sighted by our own we will attempt to capture them and extraidite them to the Asgard. However, we will not risk the lives of our own citizens just so they can be returned. If we need to destroy the ships, we will

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-05-23 05:28pm

ENCODED TRANSMISSION
ENCRYPTED CHANNEL
IMPERIAL AUTHORIZATION GOLD
DISPATCHED TO; IMPERIAL FLEETS

Any attack by hostile Kokand assets is to be met with severe force. Complete destruction of attacking force is acceptable. If engaged, do not attempt to secure the surrender of the attacking fleet. Do not attempt to board or disable attacking force. Target Kokand communication devices first.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-05-23 05:53pm

Darksider wrote:If the renegade warships are sighted by our own we will attempt to capture them and extraidite them to the Asgard. However, we will not risk the lives of our own citizens just so they can be returned. If we need to destroy the ships, we will

No one asks otherwise. If they force you to fight, fight. It has never been our position to ask otherwise. We merely object to murdering them if they surrender.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-05-23 05:55pm

No one asks otherwise. If they force you to fight, fight. It has never been our position to ask otherwise. We merely object to murdering them if they surrender.

We never said we would kill them out of hand. We will giv etheir officers fair trials, watched by neutral parties, or even by your government, if it so pleases you, to assure their fairness.

We are simply stating that the penalty for mass murder in our law is death, and any officers found guilty will meet the full brunt of the law.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2003-05-23 06:00pm

Thirdfain wrote:
No one asks otherwise. If they force you to fight, fight. It has never been our position to ask otherwise. We merely object to murdering them if they surrender.
We never said we would kill them out of hand. We will giv etheir officers fair trials, watched by neutral parties, or even by your government, if it so pleases you, to assure their fairness.

We are simply stating that the penalty for mass murder in our law is death, and any officers found guilty will meet the full brunt of the law.

The OU insists that the rogue officers and crew be tried under either the Asgard, or the Kokand, Uniform Code of Military Justice.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-05-23 06:04pm

If our allies mind our choice in dispensing justice, we will hand any captured pirates over to the Asgard for a military trial.

If they do not, then the pirates will be tried in Floater courts on charges of piracy.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2003-05-23 06:08pm

Thirdfain wrote:If our allies mind our choice in dispensing justice, we will hand any captured pirates over to the Asgard for a military trial.

If they do not, then the pirates will be tried in Floater courts on charges of piracy.

Trial of these mutineers in an court other than an Asgard military trial will be considered by the OU to be an act of war.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-05-23 06:10pm

Trial of these mutineers in an court other than an Asgard military trial will be considered by the OU to be an act of war.

If you wish to take it that far, we will back down. We will not go to war over something so petty as the fates of a group of pirates.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-05-23 06:16pm

Thirdfain wrote:
Trial of these mutineers in an court other than an Asgard military trial will be considered by the OU to be an act of war.

If you wish to take it that far, we will back down. We will not go to war over something so petty as the fates of a group of pirates.

We are glad you see sense. Rest assured, the Asgard Imperial Navy will not take mutiny and theft lightly.

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2003-05-23 06:32pm

ATTN: all other star nations
FROM: KSE
RE: seven day festival of victory

The annual seven day festival of victory, commemorating the rightfull government's victory in the thousand-year civil war is coming up in one week, there will be several parties and celebrations on Krytos (OOC: think planet-wide mardi gras) followed up by a ceremony on the seventh day. all nations interested in sending ambassadors or informing their citizens should do so quickly, as hotel space is being booked quickly by offworld visitors. It may seem wrong to hold a festival such as this so soon after the war but the government belives that it will raise the sprits of the people and if ambassadors show up it will help foster peace and cooperation among the stars.