Jedi Mind Trick vs. Vulcan Death Grip

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-04-23 10:51pm

Beowulf wrote:Mind tricks is so much more useful.

Death grip, all you can do is kill someone. Mind tricks, you can convince them to do anything.

For the last fucking time, there's no such thing as a Vulcan Death Grip!!

Post by **Beowulf** » 2003-04-24 12:11am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:
Beowulf wrote:Mind tricks is so much more useful.

Death grip, all you can do is kill someone. Mind tricks, you can convince them to do anything.
For the last fucking time, there's no such thing as a Vulcan Death Grip!!

Also a point in favor of the mind tricks...

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-04-24 03:42am

Darth Servo wrote:
Darth Yoshi wrote:Jabba and Watto both said that mind tricks don't work on their species. Or at least Watto said that. I don't know if that was stated in ROTJ.
Jabba: "Your mind powers will not work on me."

Nothing said about his species.

Watto claimed force tricks didn't work on his species, but he didn't seem too resistant to Anakin's use of the force in AOTC.

That might have been fear of lightsabre tricks rather than force tricks....

Sothis · Post by **Sothis** » 2003-04-24 09:27am

It's not a death grip!!!! I've had this argument with my friends many times- it merely incapacitates!!!

<finishes ranting, pants, falls down>

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2003-04-24 10:05am

Darth Yoshi wrote:Jabba and Watto both said that mind tricks don't work on their species. Or at least Watto said that. I don't know if that was stated in ROTJ.

Jabba called Bib Fortuna a "weak-minded fool." That says something, doesn't it? Ben Kenobi also told Luke, "The Force can have a strong influence on a weak mind." Maybe the Toydarians are immune to the Force because they are strong-minded?

Darth Gojira · Post by **Darth Gojira** » 2003-04-24 11:01am

The *Nerve* pinch is nothing compared to the force choke! If Spock and Vader tried to incapitate each other without weaponry, Vader would have Spock on the floor within seconds(ewwwww).

Striderteen · Post by **Striderteen** » 2003-05-10 02:43am

Some alien species have a certain natural resistance to Force mind-control, and someone with a strong will can resist it.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-05-10 04:08am

Anyone ever tell you that "Threadomancy" It's not polite, or appreciated in these forums.

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2003-05-10 08:17am

Darth Servo wrote:Watto claimed force tricks didn't work on his species, but he didn't seem too resistant to Anakin's use of the force in AOTC.

When did Ani use the Force on Watto in AOtC? If you are talking about when he wanted to know where Shmi was I think he just raised his voice to show that he meant bussines, no Force used, just ordinary indimidation, if even that. Or does the novelization say something else about this?

GeeYouEye · Post by **GeeYouEye** » 2003-05-23 05:29pm

There is a Vulcan Death "Grip?", but not the one from "The Enterprise Insident". It's called Tal'Shaya (hmm... perhaps the origin of the Romulan Tal Shiar?), and Sarek was supposed to have been capable of it in "Journey to Babel", had he not had his heart condition. It is not a maneuver that only Vulcans can perform, as the Orion in disguise as the Andorian Thelev was able to use it on the Tellarite Ambassador.

That gotten out of the way, that contest could go either way, depending mostly on the users. If it was Vader vs. a Vulcan, for example, Vader would definitely win, in no small part because breaking his neck (Tal'Shaya) through his armor would be no small feat. Now, say, a trained TNG S1 Ferengi vs. pretty much any Sith or Jedi, would be easy victory for the Ferengi; they are immune to all but one form of telepathy (and that took a giant, wormhole-inhabiting, alien consciousness to do it), and (back in TNG S1 anyway) were ferocious and didn't hesitate to use leap onto their enemies without warning. A Ferengi like this, trained in the method of Tal'Shaya, would be a formidable opponent indeed.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-05-23 05:43pm

I duobt a Ferengi is ever going to compensate for Vader's precog talents.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-05-23 07:05pm

They don't seem uneffected by Betazed Empathy.

hmm, experiment:

Insert one naked Benegesserit witch into Ferengi Ship

There's no need tofight over me.

opps look the Ferengi are killing themselves...

GeeYouEye · Post by **GeeYouEye** » 2003-05-25 03:00am

The Yosemite Bear wrote:They don't seem uneffected by Betazed Empathy.

hmm, experiment:

Insert one naked Benegesserit witch into Ferengi Ship

There's no need tofight over me.

opps look the Ferengi are killing themselves...

I'm not sure whether that was sarcastic or not, but it's stated multiple times that betazoids, or nearly any other telepathic race, can't touch them.

GeeYouEye · Post by **GeeYouEye** » 2003-05-25 03:05am

Ghost Rider wrote:I duobt a Ferengi is ever going to compensate for Vader's precog talents.

It would take far more concentration to look into the future to see what the Ferengi would do than to just read any other opponent's mind. Whether the Ferengi could get through the armor or be a physical match is another question though. However, for pretty much any non-robotically enhanced, non-neck-protection-wearing Jedi or Sith...

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-05-25 07:41am

Ok, the Ferengi kidnapped Troi's mom to use her to outwit OTHER FERENGI!

He used restriants to keep her from using her powers on him.

He still was overcome by her skills at emotion manipulation.