Boarding Action: Andromeda vs. ISD II

Renewed_Valour1 · Post by **Renewed_Valour1** » 2002-09-11 03:29pm

Both ships have all their external weapons deactivated along with the weapons of their fighters and support craft. Their engines are also offline with them sitting 5,000 km away from each other. The other ship has 5 critical parts that are needed to restore the systems of the other ship. These parts cannot be destroyed otherwise the equivalent parts of the their ship will be destroyed. The crews must instead board and capture the parts. Both ships are fully manned and at full combat status other than the above handicaps.

How does it play out?

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-09-11 03:58pm

Several thousand stormies

vs.

six people, and AI and few inept droids.

this is a joke right?

Ted · Post by **Ted** » 2002-09-11 03:59pm

NecronLord wrote:Several thousand stormies

vs.

six people, and AI and few inept droids.

this is a joke right?

I would hope so.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-09-11 04:04pm

Both ships are fully manned and at full combat status other than the above handicaps.

Note that sentance you two

Anyway hard fought but Victory for the ISD, It carrys 5x the complent of a High-Guard Ship NTM the E-Web shielded auto-guns, the Fact the Nano-bots Defenses are not going to be useful VS Stormys and drop-ships can pack 50 Troopers each plus Zero-G Troopers

The Stationay D is even worse as they can simply shoot them given the 1-2 second delay before they fire,

Hunt goes down baddly but there will be quite a few casualties

Crossover_Maniac · Post by **Crossover_Maniac** » 2002-09-11 04:04pm

I think he means a fully manned Andromeda: crew-4000. I don't think either could board the other's ship. The ISD's has more stormtroopers than GHC has personnel, and the GHC has automated defenses that does most of the work in repelling invaders.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-09-11 04:15pm

GHC like most automated Defense fall victum to being Stable

IE hmm there is a Super duper Gattiling gun of death around the corner

I will simply shoot here, the bundle of wires that bring it its power, toda! its gon

Or use an EMP Gernade(Ref COPL) to take it out, or regular gerandes or simply move the E-Web up

The ISD carrys twice the Troopers that the Andromida does crew, And that crew are not all clones of Dillian Hunt here

Crossover_Maniac · Post by **Crossover_Maniac** » 2002-09-11 04:20pm

Mr Bean wrote:GHC like most automated Defense fall victum to being Stable

IE hmm there is a Super duper Gattiling gun of death around the corner

I will simply shoot here, the bundle of wires that bring it its power, toda! its gon

Only to have nanobots enter into their bodies and reek havic in their nervous system or the gravity on whatever deck they're on cranked up to 20 g's pinning everyone down on the floor.

Renewed_Valour1 · Post by **Renewed_Valour1** » 2002-09-11 04:24pm

Crossover_Maniac wrote:I think he means a fully manned Andromeda: crew-4000.

Correct.

That would be 4132 crew and 800 Lancers if you go by Double Helix.

Antediluvian · Post by **Antediluvian** » 2002-09-11 04:47pm

(Only to have nanobots enter into their bodies and reek havic in their nervous system or the gravity on whatever deck they're on cranked up to 20 g's pinning everyone down on the floor.)

How will the nanobots penetrate sealed Stormtrooper armor?

And have they ever cranked up the gravity before?

Crossover_Maniac · Post by **Crossover_Maniac** » 2002-09-11 05:03pm

Antediluvian wrote:(Only to have nanobots enter into their bodies and reek havic in their nervous system or the gravity on whatever deck they're on cranked up to 20 g's pinning everyone down on the floor.)

And have they ever cranked up the gravity before?

"To Loose the Faithful Lightening".

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-09-11 05:31pm

Only to have nanobots enter into their bodies and reek havic in their nervous system or the gravity on whatever deck they're on cranked up to 20 g's pinning everyone down on the floor.

Gravitys another one of those problems and Nano-bots... NO chance. Those things are spec to take fifteen mintues of vacum before failing, you think Nano-bots have a chance?

Furthermore while the Gravity is a possible gambit may I remeind you Stormys are already trained on High G worlds

(But agian it fails as another STATIC defense, Sure you crank the gravity up? Your FUBARing your internal Defenses unless its corrider contained in that case its another Cut the power cut the problem or

Send in the Droids

Antediluvian · Post by **Antediluvian** » 2002-09-11 05:38pm

"To Loose the Faithful Lightening".[/quote]

Okay, but why didn't they use this against the zombies in that one episode? They were on that one deck.

But to be honest, this sounds like a tactic of last resort.

And what happens if the stormtroopers are on several decks, and are fighting the Lancers and crew? Such a move could hurt your own troops.

If they really want components from Andromeda, they will send a very large force of stormies and droids and come in from several different entry points, thus making it harder for the defenders to contain them.

Of course, in a realistic scenario, they could simply ion cannon the Andromeda and board it, taking what they needed with less resistance.

But of course, we're working with an idealized scenario here.

Crossover_Maniac · Post by **Crossover_Maniac** » 2002-09-11 05:51pm

Mr Bean wrote:
Only to have nanobots enter into their bodies and reek havic in their nervous system or the gravity on whatever deck they're on cranked up to 20 g's pinning everyone down on the floor.
Gravitys another one of those problems and Nano-bots... NO chance. Those things are spec to take fifteen mintues of vacum before failing, you think Nano-bots have a chance?

Furthermore while the Gravity is a possible gambit may I remeind you Stormys are already trained on High G worlds

I don't care how much training you get, no human being can move around in 10 g's. And I don't think anything short of a comic book superhero that can move around in 100 g's.

(But agian it fails as another STATIC defense, Sure you crank the gravity up? Your FUBARing your internal Defenses unless its corrider contained in that case its another Cut the power cut the problem or

Send in the Droids

You sound like the ship's AI is going to turn up the artificial gravity before the stormtroopers step on in the high g area and hope they all stumble in even after watch the first one or two troopers is slammed into the floor. More than likely, the AI waits for all of them to board and then turn the gravity up. I would like to see the Emperor's finest cut the power when their body weight is 10 tons. As for cutting the power to the artifical gravity, there are thousands of small artifical gravity generators on the CW ships, not one or two monolithic gravity generators. That's why Dylan was able to stand next to the boarding party in "To Loose the Faithful Lightening" without being affected. I don't think the Stormtroopers would want to waste time disabling all of the AG generators.

omegaLancer · Post by **omegaLancer** » 2002-09-11 05:55pm

I Think that any boarding action will be a bloody affair.. Nanobots against seal Armor means the storm trooper are safe, but the automatic guns would be a problem..

the fact is the storm trooper would used proton grenade to breech the hull and against fix defenses..

The Hi guard lances are highily accurate and would reap a hi body count..
But the Hi guard ECM and missile deflection technology would be useless against blaster rifles..

It very possible that boarding action by either side would be repel with heavy loses inflicted to both..

Ion cannons would help, it would most likily frie nanobots, and take down the internal defense system, but it would still come down to a fire fight...

Crossover_Maniac · Post by **Crossover_Maniac** » 2002-09-11 05:56pm

Now that I think about it, the CW boarding party can let loose nanobots through the ISD ventalation system and wait for them to take everyone out. Even if (and I do mean if) the nanobots can't pentatrate stormtrooper armor, there's only a finite amount of air inside the suits. And once that's gone, then it's either remove the armor die from a lack of oxygen.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-09-11 05:59pm

The air goes through a sterilization process. Would that kill/destroy the nanobots, or would they just pass happily through?

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-09-11 06:03pm

How powerful are the automatic guns on Andromeda? It is highly likely that stormtrooper armor would be highly resistant to them.

Renewed_Valour1 · Post by **Renewed_Valour1** » 2002-09-11 06:03pm

Mr Bean wrote:Furthermore while the Gravity is a possible gambit may I remeind you Stormys are already trained on High G worlds

There is a difference between a high G world and what the AG fields can do. The Million Voices in "The Knight, Death, And the Devil" said she had in the past reduced Nietzschean boarders to uber pudding when they attempted to board her. An impressive fact when you consider that at least the High Guard and probably Nietzscheans have personal AG harnesses to protect them to some degree. We know that Nietzscheans are engineered for more aversive environments than even Commonwealth Heavy Gravity Worlders.

Stormtroopers have none of those advantages…. The gravity control is also very precise to the degree that Harper and Rommie have both trapped people using the AG fields they were unaffected a few feet away from them.

Antediluvian wrote:Okay, but why didn't they use this against the zombies in that one episode? They were on that one deck.

1) She had battle damage at the time from the Than attacking her.
2) It isn't very wise to mess with your AG fields when you are maneuvering in combat too much. One mistake and everyone goes splat!

Antediluvian wrote:Of course, in a realistic scenario, they could simply ion cannon the Andromeda and board it, taking what they needed with less resistance.

Or they could just use the tesseracting device Harper built. Tesseract onboard the ISD, grab the parts, and tesseract out leaving a few AP warheads behind. Yes it is an idealized scenario.

As a note Andromeda also has the Marias and Tweedles to send against any boarders.

Antediluvian · Post by **Antediluvian** » 2002-09-11 06:04pm

Crossover_Maniac wrote:Now that I think about it, the CW boarding party can let loose nanobots through the ISD ventalation system and wait for them to take everyone out. Even if (and I do mean if) the nanobots can't pentatrate stormtrooper armor, there's only a finite amount of air inside the suits. And once that's gone, then it's either remove the armor die from a lack of oxygen.

And how will they get to the ventilation system?

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-09-11 06:04pm

Stormtroopers have deal with very high gravity. Using a ship's inertial compensator against boarders is a fairly common tactic in Star Wars (ref. Star by Star). While it is possible that it would be a problem for stormtroopers, I find that somewhat unlikely.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-09-11 06:05pm

I don't care how much training you get, no human being can move around in 10 g's. And I don't think anything short of a comic book superhero that can move around in 100 g's.

Why little kids can do it!(Sure its DBZ so sue me

)
The point stands though in another afair Stormys are stronger than the avarage human by a factor or two

You sound like the ship's AI is going to turn up the artificial gravity before the stormtroopers step on in the high g area and hope they all stumble in even after watch the first one or two troopers is slammed into the floor. More than likely, the AI waits for all of them to board and then turn the gravity up. I would like to see the Emperor's finest cut the power when their body weight is 10 tons. As for cutting the power to the artifical gravity, there are thousands of small artifical gravity generators on the CW ships, not one or two monolithic gravity generators. That's why Dylan was able to stand next to the boarding party in "To Loose the Faithful Lightening" without being affected. I don't think the Stormtroopers would want to waste time disabling all of the AG generators.

Hint* GERNADES
They do quiet a bit of damange here and even if thiere are 50000000000 Grav Generators per square inch thanks to Harper we know there is only two sets of Power Cables per Corrider(When he pops things open and roots are and mentions a few times there is only a primary and a back-up)

Now that I think about it, the CW boarding party can let loose nanobots through the ISD ventalation system and wait for them to take everyone out. Even if (and I do mean if) the nanobots can't pentatrate stormtrooper armor, there's only a finite amount of air inside the suits. And once that's gone, then it's either remove the armor die from a lack of oxygen.

You do know they already know about Nano-bots right CW? SW has nano-bots uses them for quiet a bit inculding the Manfuature of TL(Only possible thanks to nano-bots) And your going to sit here and tell me SW designers did not anticpate Nano-bots being used as a weapon or tried? Because they suck as weapons and FYI Stormy suits contain both Canned and recurilated air-from the outside, Troopers can switch at will and in Vaclum it switchs over at will.

OAN how are they going to introduce them into the Circulation system exactly? How are they going to get past the comparmenlistation of each section of an ISD. Even if the designers of ISD are completle Jar-Jar Binks level idiots they still seperated each system from itself meaning any 1/100 of the ship can re-ciruclate its own air if it where sliced off from the ship

omegaLancer · Post by **omegaLancer** » 2002-09-11 06:06pm

problem is CO is that Nanobot technology is not unknown to the Empire and the Star Destroyer would possess some form of internal bio hazard sensor to detect such threats, Also Star destroyers are describe as being highily compartize, in case of being holed.. So nanobot may over come a section of the Ship, before internal system would sound alert and vent the compartment..

Also there is the fact that before they could board, there is a very good chance that they would be battling storm trooper in space armor attempting the prevent the CW from boarding...

From what I see from the show, I donot see a Hi guard version of Space armor ( armor space suits) so they may suffer high losses in a fire fight in a vacuum..

still would be a good fight...

Renewed_Valour1 · Post by **Renewed_Valour1** » 2002-09-11 06:06pm

Antediluvian wrote:And how will they get to the ventilation system?

"Ties that Blind":
A hostile nanobot colony slipped onboard the Andromeda by the Balance of Judgment's Restorians managed to spread around the ship's systems in minutes.

Antediluvian · Post by **Antediluvian** » 2002-09-11 06:12pm

(1) She had battle damage at the time from the Than attacking her.
2) It isn't very wise to mess with your AG fields when you are maneuvering in combat too much. One mistake and everyone goes splat!)

True, but at the time, the Andromeda was sitting still, hiding behind an asteriod and trying to repair that very damage.

So they should have used this.

(Or they could just use the tesseracting device Harper built. Tesseract onboard the ISD, grab the parts, and tesseract out leaving a few AP warheads behind. Yes it is an idealized scenario.

As a note Andromeda also has the Marias and Tweedles to send against any boarders.)

Is that the battle-bots?

How does tesseracting work exactly?

Antediluvian · Post by **Antediluvian** » 2002-09-11 06:14pm

("Ties that Blind":
A hostile nanobot colony slipped onboard the Andromeda by the Balance of Judgment's Restorians managed to spread around the ship's systems in minutes.)

That doesn't mean it would on an ISD, though, especially considering their decentralized nature as compared to Andromeda's centralized design.

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