A little example of why we often run into trouble here
MSN Conversation wrote:Caoimhin: *smiles* I never debate unless I know I'm right....
*********: lol
you're one of those!
Caoimhin: *laughs* Yes, I dont get into it unless I know what I'm talking about.
*********: well yeah, you'd have to know what you're talking about.
but a good debator will be able to make others believe his points even if he himself disagrees with them
*********: i had to do that with something in philosophy, and everyone was nodding along with me, and in my head, i was like, "losers! get a brain!!!"
Caoimhin: That's the art of bullshitting....
********* : yes.
********* : debating. bullshitting.
********* : same old stuff
********* : lol
Caoimhin: I dont consider it real debating if I'm bullshitting....
********* : well.
********* : that's a debate; to be able to convince others that what you're saying is 'right'.
while another person tries to prove you wrong and himself right. at least, that's how the debates i partook in always took place.
we were given a topic and assigned a side... and given what, 10 minutes to arrange our discussion
********* : yadiyada
Caoimhin: And if you lie or employ deciet? Logical fallacies? Outright bullshit? is that still debating?
********* : well no.
********* : you're suppose to twist around facts so that they're still facts, but so that they prove to be in your benefit
Caoimhin: Ah, that's employing logical fallacies and deciet then.....
********* : maybe not so much deceit, but logical fallacies, yes.
********* : *shrug*
THIS is why i hate debating!
:@
Caoimhin: Hence why I dont consider it real....where I debate they will call you on warping the facts.
********* : you, however, i imagine, would be a very frustrating person to debate with.
********* : true enough.
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Keevan_Colton wrote:A little example of why we often run into trouble here
MSN Conversation wrote:
********* : you're suppose to twist around facts so that they're still facts, but so that they prove to be in your benefit
That's my favourite part.
"On the infrequent occasions when I have been called upon in a formal place to play the bongo drums, the introducer never seems to find it necessary to mention that I also do theoretical physics." -Richard Feynman
Actually, what he's saying is more or less right. The point of an actual debate is to win/convince the audience, not to be right - that is, in real-life circles (ask Kynes).
Here, bullshit can be called out because it's easier to find.
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Dalton wrote:Actually, what he's saying is more or less right. The point of an actual debate is to win/convince the audience, not to be right - that is, in real-life circles (ask Kynes).
Here, bullshit can be called out because it's easier to find.
I know....debating and politics ride hand in hand....where its not what evidence you have....its how you can make it sound cool.
Aside from which I thought it was rather amusing.
"Prodesse Non Nocere." "It's all about popularity really, if your invisible friend that tells you to invade places is called Napoleon, you're a loony, if he's called Jesus then you're the president." "I'd drive more people insane, but I'd have to double back and pick them up first..." "All it takes for bullshit to thrive is for rational men to do nothing." - Kevin Farrell, B.A. Journalism. BOTM - EBC - Horseman - G&C - Vampire
