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[AdmiralKanos]

Just got this in my inbox:

Name: Steven Krashefski
E-Mail: Omicron2373@hotmail.com

Comments: I believe you made a mistake on the problems that the Federation would have assembling a galactic coalition against the Empire. The Romulans would be forced to join the fight if they were ever to achieve the destiny that they believed was for them. They have the belief that they will eventually rule the galaxy. If that was ever to happen then they would have to help the Federation stop the Empire from getting a foothold in the alpha quadrant. Also, the Klingons would be forced to join the fight since the Empire poses a threat to every galactic power and would surely try to conquer the Klingon Empire. Since the Klingons have a strong belief in honor they would have to defend their honor. In fact the whole Klingon culture is based on their strong belief in honor.

With the Romulan knowledge of trilithium the coalition could use trilithium based weapons as the ultimate shock and awe tactic. If you have watched Star Trek the Next Generation (the movie not the series) then you should know what trilithium is and it's frightening destructive capabilities. Also, even with out a coalition the Federation could utilize this technology themselves. How they would utilize it is use cloaked ships sent in through the wormhole and these ships would destroy all the solar systems in their operating range which is several thousand light years. Even if the ships weren't cloaked they could still do this quite easily. I know you are thinking they wouldn't be able to get through the Empire’s side of the wormhole unless cloaked because of course the Empire would have it blockaded or mined. Well, before the ships came through the Federation could send through large self propelled matter-antimatter bombs with destructive power upwards of 5 gigatons. Which, wouldn't be that hard to make since they already have photon and quantum torpedoes which are based on antimatter. They would just be of much greater size. Once the way was cleared then the ships would be able to get through. Immediately the ships could start their star collapsing spree.

You're probably thinking that the Empire would be able to just have their ships waiting for the coalition or just Federation ships. Well, the Empire's ships have a major weakness. They only have their sub-light propulsion and hyperdrives. They have no way of reaching a Federation ship in warp. In layman’s terms they can't reach the speeds in-between hyperspace and sub-light speeds which the Federation ships can. They wouldn't be able to catch them with their sub-light engines and would overshoot them with their hyperdrives. The ships of the Federation and all the other major races in the milky way galaxy have the ability to fire when their warp drive is activated. The Federation would also have their side of the wormhole mined and blockaded.

Back to the subject of weapons. The Federation could also capture a small craft in the galaxy that the Empire is located in. For example a YT-1300 Corelian Transport (otherwise known as the type of ship the Millennium Falcon is). The Federation could then take the hyperdrive of the ship and assimilate it into their own technology. Thus the Federation would be able to reach more distant targets like Corusant and the star system where the Empire produces most of their Star Destroyers in which I know for a fact is only one star system. Even if the Empire did overrun the Federation they would have to deal with the highly adaptive Borg Collective, the Klingon Empire and the Romulan Star Empire. You may think that the Romulan Star Empire is not a match for the Empire. Well, it is a good enough of a match to be one major pain in the ass to the Empire. The Romulans have the most territory and largest fleet out of all the major powers in the alpha quadrant.

Also, the Romulans have extremely good weapons such as the very destructive plasma torpedoes. You may be saying the are slow and degrade over distance but now with the new zero-point, clean-vacuum technology the weapons have extremely greater speed, accuracy, and effective range. The Romulans also constantly upgrade their fleet of D’Deridex (Romulan name for Warbirds) with the newest technologies to give them a constant edge over the enemy. Finally, the Romulans have just replaced all of their old but venerable ships with new designs. These ships are a totally new breed of Romulan ships with only one purpose, heavy battle and reconasince (note they use perfect and undetectable cloak fields to do their spying). The names of these ships are the
Talon class “Frigate”, the Falcon class “Destroyer”, the Shrike class “Light Cruiser”, the Hawk class “Heavy Cruiser”, and the Raptor class “Heavy Battlecruiser”.

You also made on last major mistake. You do not take into account the new technologies and ship designs of the most recent movies Star Trek First Contact, Star Trek Insurrection and Star Trek Nemesis. In that time period the Federation is undergoing a massive renewing of their fleets. They are replacing the older classes with more advanced, extremely maneuverable, and more powerful ships. Such as the Intrepid class, the Sovereign class, the Saber class, the Norway class, and the Akira class.

These ships were all designed for only one use. That use is to conduct warfare. All the ships are more advanced than the Galaxy class ship which is as expensive and big ship not designed for war. Also most of the ships are small and relatively easy to produce. The ships are also equipped with not isolinear chips for their computer systems but with bio-neural gelpacks which are more effective under combat conditions. Also, the Federation with the research of Professor Mannheim could unleash a terrible weapon on the galaxy the Empire inhabits. They could created a tear in the space time continuum of the galaxy invariably destroying the fabric of space time. That would cause time to be fragmented throughout the Empire’s galaxy. For example, in one area time could be frozen in place and in another time could be traveling backwards and so on.

I do not wish this to be a flamer note and if you think it is I am sorry. I only wish to state the true way the Federation would have Starfleet handle the situation. I also want to tell you to update your information on the current technological state of the Federation by using evidence from the latest movies. Finally Galaxy class ships are mainly used for deep space exploration only. Not front line battle. That’s what the newer classes are
meant for.

sincerely,
Steven Krashefski

p.s. If you don’t know I am only 14 years of age and nearly the best student in my eight grade class. Excuse my French but please don’t bull shit me about the ethical reasons for which the Federation would not use trilithium weapons and time based weapons. War is war and if an interstellar country has the will to survive they will go to any length to
ensure their survival.

Wow, I've never seen someone make so many arguments in one place that are already refuted many times on my website. It's almost as if he didn't bother reading any of it. Either that, or he has the reading comprehension skills of a gerbil. I also like the way he harps on the idea that if a newer ship is better than an older ship, it must also be better than an Imperial ship. And if a Romulan or Federation ship is designed for warfare, this will somehow make it a match for an Imperial warship

The bit about how he's the smartest kid in his eighth grade class almost made me fall out of my chair laughing. Precocious little brat, isn't he?

[Ignorant_Boy]

Just got this in my inbox:

Name: Steven Krashefski
E-Mail: Omicron2373@hotmail.com

If you have watched Star Trek the Next Generation (the movie not the series) then you should know what trilithium is and it's frightening destructive capabilities

Wow, I've never seen someone make so many arguments in one place that are already refuted many times on my website. It's almost as if he didn't bother reading any of it. Either that, or he has the reading comprehension skills of a gerbil. I also like the way he harps on the idea that if a newer ship is better than an older ship, it must also be better than an Imperial ship. And if a Romulan or Federation ship is designed for warfare, this will somehow make it a match for an Imperial warship

The bit about how he's the smartest kid in his eighth grade class almost made me fall out of my chair laughing. Precocious little brat, isn't he?

It's pretty bad when you don't even know what your own movie is called.

[YT300000]

If you don’t know I am only 14 years of age and nearly the best student in my eight grade class.

I'd hate to see the stupidest kid in your class.

With the Romulan knowledge of trilithium the coalition could use trilithium based weapons as the ultimate shock and awe tactic.

The Empire doesn't give a damn if their own stuff is destroyed, they just attack the people who did it. Shock and Awe don't work on them.

If you have watched Star Trek the Next Generation (the movie not the series)

Its called Generations. And I thought you were a Trekkie.

the Federation could send through large self propelled matter-antimatter bombs with destructive power upwards of 5 gigatons

Dude, 5 gigatons! Thats almost as much as a LTL!

They only have their sub-light propulsion and hyperdrives. They have no way of reaching a Federation ship in warp. In layman’s terms they can't reach the speeds in-between hyperspace and sub-light speeds which the Federation ships can. They wouldn't be able to catch them with their sub-light engines and would overshoot them with their hyperdrives. The ships of the Federation and all the other major races in the milky way galaxy have the ability to fire when their warp drive is activated.

Interdictors.

The Federation would also have their side of the wormhole mined and blockaded.

ST mines would do Jack-Shit against SW ships.

The Federation could also capture a small craft in the galaxy that the Empire is located in. For example a YT-1300 Corelian Transport (otherwise known as the type of ship the Millennium Falcon is).

How? Also, as AdmiralKanos pointed out, just because the new ships are good in ST terms, doesn't mean that they would stand up to SW ships.

[Warspite]

"... Shock and awe tactics..."?????



You're right, he probably never bothered to read your site, it seems to me the whole letter is more like a composition for English class, than a serious rebuttal/crittic to the site, note how he uses the parenthesis to explain, notably:

... D’Deridex (Romulan name for Warbirds)...

If you have watched Star Trek the Next Generation (the movie not the series)...

... YT-1300 Corelian Transport (otherwise known as the type of ship the Millennium Falcon is).

Like you wouldn't know this...

... (note they use perfect and undetectable cloak fields to do their spying)

Come again?

Oh, boy...

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Just to let you guys know, the list of Romulan warships he quotes is straight from a fucking video game.

[Howedar]

Doesn't really seem all that bad to me. He doesn't seem to be trying to be an asshole or anything, so I'd probably hold off the flames for the first exchange.

[YT300000]

Just to let you guys know, the list of Romulan warships he quotes is straight from a fucking video game.

So, therefore, some don't exist. Anyway, if you're talking about the best Romulan ships, you have to include the Scimitar.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Doesn't really seem all that bad to me. He doesn't seem to be trying to be an asshole or anything, so I'd probably hold off the flames for the first exchange.

He's a dumbass who didn't bother to read the site. Why should we bother to be nice?

[Ender]

Name: Steven Krashefski
E-Mail: Omicron2373@hotmail.com

Wonder if this is Omnicron theta. Probably not, as it lacks the "The Empire is all in 1 solar system" bit

Comments: I believe you made a mistake on the problems that the Federation would have assembling a galactic coalition against the Empire. The Romulans would be forced to join the fight if they were ever to achieve the destiny that they believed was for them. They have the belief that they will eventually rule the galaxy. If that was ever to happen then they would have to help the Federation stop the Empire from getting a foothold in the alpha quadrant.

A tenent of modern radical Islam is that they will rule the earth and the infidels all killed or converted. But I didn't see any of them involved in the Second Gulf War

Also, the Klingons would be forced to join the fight since the Empire poses a threat to every galactic power and would surely try to conquer the Klingon Empire. Since the Klingons have a strong belief in honor they would have to defend their honor. In fact the whole Klingon culture is based on their strong belief in honor.

With the Romulan knowledge of trilithium the coalition could use trilithium based weapons as the ultimate shock and awe tactic. If you have watched Star Trek the Next Generation (the movie not the series)

The movie is Star Trek: Generations, not Star Trek The Next Generation

then you should know what trilithium is and it's frightening destructive capabilities. Also, even with out a coalition the Federation could utilize this technology themselves. How they would utilize it is use cloaked ships sent in through the wormhole and these ships would destroy all the solar systems in their operating range which is several thousand light years. Even if the ships weren't cloaked they could still do this quite easily.

Before being hunted down and destroyed by Imperial ships? I doubt it. Do you really think the slower ships with an easily trackable path (just follow the subspace damage, they don;t all have voyager's narcelles) would just be galavanting through the outer rim? Further, even allowingthem to do so wouldn't do much to the Empire's capabilities. Did you not see that a group of private trade corporations who just lost their primary customers (the core worlds) were going to build a Death Star in Attack of the Clones? The industrial might is not localized like it is in the Federation. And even if we do let them blow up stars willy nilly the production capabilities of the core dwarf those of the outer rim, and it would take Federation ships decades to get there.

I know you are thinking they wouldn't be able to get through the Empire’s side of the wormhole unless cloaked because of course the Empire would have it blockaded or mined. Well, before the ships came through the Federation could send through large self propelled matter-antimatter bombs with destructive power upwards of 5 gigatons. Which, wouldn't be that hard to make since they already have photon and quantum torpedoes which are based on antimatter. They would just be of much greater size.

First off, only the Cardassians have been seen to build weapons of that scale. Secondly even ships as small as the Lancer frigate have shields in the high GT-TT range, so your 5 GT missiles that are big enough to be shot down before hitting wouldn't do anything.

Once the way was cleared then the ships would be able to get through. Immediately the ships could start their star collapsing spree.

And run into the Imperial battle fleet that was warned they were coming through by the huge missiles that didn't hurt them. Resulting massacre makes the Federation look back on Wolf 359 with fond memories of when they had a snowballs chance in hell.

You're probably thinking that the Empire would be able to just have their ships waiting for the coalition or just Federation ships Well, the Empire's ships have a major weakness. They only have their sub-light propulsion and hyperdrives. They have no way of reaching a Federation ship in warp.

Which isn't really an issue because they will still be sublight exiting the wormhole and won't be able to engage warp right away.

In layman’s terms they can't reach the speeds in-between hyperspace and sub-light speeds which the Federation ships can. They wouldn't be able to catch them with their sub-light engines and would overshoot them with their hyperdrives.

So getting ahead of them and setting a trap is a DISadvantage now?

The ships of the Federation and all the other major races in the milky way galaxy have the ability to fire when their warp drive is activated.

Only against other ships in warp, which makes it , as you pointed out, a null point

The Federation would also have their side of the wormhole mined and blockaded.

Great, it would only take more then 3600 mines to down the energy shields of an ISD if we take the mine's highend noncanon TM yield. But since this is more then the minefield can take going off and surviving, this means the Imperial ships can cruise through without any problems.

Back to the subject of weapons. The Federation could also capture a small craft in the galaxy that the Empire is located in. For example a YT-1300 Corelian Transport (otherwise known as the type of ship the Millennium Falcon is).

How exactly would they capture a craft smaller, tougher, faster, and with a nastier alpha strike then them?

The Federation could then take the hyperdrive of the ship and assimilate it into their own technology.

Having hyperdrive wouldn't do them any good as they would lack the power generation capabilities to power it. Further, you can't just copy paste technology on like that, especially if it is radically different. It would take a new powerplant ot power it, a new power grid to handle the load, new structural supports to mount the hyperdrive, new engines, new structural barcings to mount the engines etc. They would have to design a new ship from scratch. Given the design time on the Sovereign and Galaxy classes, the war would be long over before they even got past design, and thats assumign they understand the technology fully.

Thus the Federation would be able to reach more distant targets like Corusant and the star system where the Empire produces most of their Star Destroyers in which I know for a fact is only one star system.

Better check your facts then. They are produced by one company, based out of one system, but KDY owns shipyards all over the galaxy. Further even if all of KDY was destroyed any of the thousands of other shipyards could build ISDs.

Even if the Empire did overrun the Federation they would have to deal with the highly adaptive Borg Collective, the Klingon Empire and the Romulan Star Empire.

Klingons and Romulans are even less of a threat then the Federation with their smaller fleets, lesser production capabilities, and recent political problems. And the borg are a joke, Slave one could have slaughtered the fleet assembled to take on an 8472 incursion by itself. If their ship dies instantly the collective lacks time to adapt and even then they cannot adapt to raw power.

You may think that the Romulan Star Empire is not a match for the Empire. Well, it is a good enough of a match to be one major pain in the ass to the Empire. The Romulans have the most territory and largest fleet out of all the major powers in the alpha quadrant.

The Rebels, who outnumber the Romulans, have superior weapons and are fuly infiltrated into the Empire with a cell on almost every world were not considered a pain in the ass. The RSE sure won't. They also do not have the largest fleet, unless 9,000 is more then 12,000 now, and are in the beta not alpha quadrent.

Also, the Romulans have extremely good weapons such as the very destructive plasma torpedoes.

Which are inferior to the pathetic photon torpedoes

You may be saying the are slow and degrade over distance but now with the new zero-point, clean-vacuum technology the weapons have extremely greater speed, accuracy, and effective range.

Show the Romulans have ZPE tech.

The Romulans also constantly upgrade their fleet of D’Deridex (Romulan name for Warbirds) with the newest technologies to give them a constant edge over the enemy.

Except that isn't true because we saw them get stomped in Message in a Bottle

Finally, the Romulans have just replaced all of their old but venerable ships with new designs. These ships are a totally new breed of Romulan ships with only one purpose, heavy battle and reconasince (note they use perfect and undetectable cloak fields to do their spying).

If it exists, it has mass. If it has mass, it effects gravity. If it effects gravity, a grav scan will pick it up. Undetectable to the Federation does not mean undetectable to the Imperials. Further the movie indicates it is not undectable as they sent a science ship with superior sensors to the fleet the Enterprise was suppossed to meet in hopes that that ship could detect it.

The names of these ships are the Talon class “Frigate”, the Falcon class “Destroyer”, the Shrike class “Light Cruiser”, the Hawk class “Heavy Cruiser”, and the Raptor class “Heavy Battlecruiser”.

The Star Trek video games are not canon you tit.

You also made on last major mistake. You do not take into account the new technologies and ship designs of the most recent movies Star Trek First Contact, Star Trek Insurrection and Star Trek Nemesis.

That would be because the site is currently undergoing a revamp to address those points

In that time period the Federation is undergoing a massive renewing of their fleets. They are replacing the older classes with more advanced, extremely maneuverable, and more powerful ships. Such as the Intrepid class, the Sovereign class, the Saber class, the Norway class, and the Akira class.

You also made one last mistake. You did not take into account the movie Attack of the Clones or the Canon Incredible Cross Sections books. They give new things to calculate and present hard numbers that show that whole Federation fleets could not damage 20 year old troop transports, much less a combat dedicated ISD mark 2.

These ships were all designed for only one use. That use is to conduct warfare. All the ships are more advanced than the Galaxy class ship which is as expensive and big ship not designed for war. Also most of the ships are small and relatively easy to produce. The ships are also equipped with not isolinear chips for their computer systems but with bio-neural gelpacks which are more effective under combat conditions. Also, the Federation with the research of Professor Mannheim could unleash a terrible weapon on the galaxy the Empire inhabits. They could created a tear in the space time continuum of the galaxy invariably destroying the fabric of space time. That would cause time to be fragmented throughout the Empire’s galaxy. For example, in one area time could be frozen in place and in another time could be traveling backwards and so on.[/quotee]We have Doctor Tesla's research. That does not mean we can build and deploy Tesla coils.

I do not wish this to be a flamer note and if you think it is I am sorry. I only wish to state the true way the Federation would have Starfleet handle the situation. I also want to tell you to update your information on the current technological state of the Federation by using evidence from the latest movies. Finally Galaxy class ships are mainly used for deep space exploration only. Not front line battle. That’s what the newer classes are
meant for.

Actually the GCS does still see front line battle, but that is because it was revamped for war.

p.s. If you don’t know I am only 14 years of age and nearly the best student in my eight grade class. Excuse my French but please don’t bull shit me about the ethical reasons for which the Federation would not use trilithium weapons and time based weapons. War is war and if an interstellar country has the will to survive they will go to any length to
ensure their survival.

Well, it's nice to see your aren't burdened by the naive belief that war is an honorable thing.

Kid, I beleive you earnestly though you were setting the record straight. You just seem to have 2 major flaws here:
1) You believe Mike has all the time in the world to update his site. He doesn't.
2) You don't have all the facts on the scale between the two universes. I reccomend you do a bit more research, or perhaps join the attached forums.

Toodle pip,
Ender

[Alyeska]

Doesn't really seem all that bad to me. He doesn't seem to be trying to be an asshole or anything, so I'd probably hold off the flames for the first exchange.

He's a dumbass who didn't bother to read the site. Why should we bother to be nice?

Because if you act like an ass you are ensured to create a hostile advesary rather than a convert. If you want to persuade people your side is correct you don't go about calling them a fucking idiot.

[Sea Skimmer]

I also like the way he harps on the idea that if a newer ship is better than an older ship, it must also be better than an Imperial ship. And if a Romulan or Federation ship is designed for warfare, this will somehow make it a match for an Imperial warship

I'm reminded of Marina's fic with the Federation being beaten by eighteenth century French ships of the line. They may be made of wood but there also built for war and thus are superior by his logic.

[Master of Ossus]

Name: Steven Krashefski
E-Mail: Omicron2373@hotmail.com

Comments: I believe you made a mistake on the problems that the Federation would have assembling a galactic coalition against the Empire. The Romulans would be forced to join the fight if they were ever to achieve the destiny that they believed was for them.

It would be smarter for them to join the Empire, then try acquire power from them.

They have the belief that they will eventually rule the galaxy. If that was ever to happen then they would have to help the Federation stop the Empire from getting a foothold in the alpha quadrant. Also, the Klingons would be forced to join the fight since the Empire poses a threat to every galactic power and would surely try to conquer the Klingon Empire. Since the Klingons have a strong belief in honor they would have to defend their honor. In fact the whole Klingon culture is based on their strong belief in honor.

Klingon "honor" did not prevent them from capitulating to the UFP, as seen in ST:VI or "Way of the Warrior." It is irrelevant. Moreover, even a coalition between the Klingons, Romulans, and the UFP would be an insignificant obstacle for the Empire. If you were to add the Dominion to the list of the allies, it would still make no impact in the long-run, though the Empire might have initial difficulties fielding enough troops to occuppy all of the Dominion worlds.

With the Romulan knowledge of trilithium the coalition could use trilithium based weapons as the ultimate shock and awe tactic. If you have watched Star Trek the Next Generation (the movie not the series) then you should know what trilithium is and it's frightening destructive capabilities.

I have seen that movie, and I know how pathetic they are compared to Imperial technology, which easily produces 200GT turbolasers.

Also, even with out a coalition the Federation could utilize this technology themselves. How they would utilize it is use cloaked ships sent in through the wormhole and these ships would destroy all the solar systems in their operating range which is several thousand light years. Even if the ships weren't cloaked they could still do this quite easily.

Except that cloaked starships can easily be detected through their mass-shadows, or even passive infrared sensors. Face it, the cloaking technology available to the UFP and their alleged allies would be no match for Imperial technology. Moreover, it would take a UFP starship many months to cross "several thousand light years," even assuming that the ships were capable of slipping through Imperial nets AND had resources sufficient to destroy "all the solar systems in their operating range."

Since NONE of this has been hinted at in any way, shape, or form within the ST universe, you lose.

I know you are thinking they wouldn't be able to get through the Empire’s side of the wormhole unless cloaked because of course the Empire would have it blockaded or mined. Well, before the ships came through the Federation could send through large self propelled matter-antimatter bombs with destructive power upwards of 5 gigatons. Which, wouldn't be that hard to make since they already have photon and quantum torpedoes which are based on antimatter.

Explain. The torpedoes that the UFP traditionally uses appear to be in the high-kiloton to low megaton range at best. If the UFP were capable of manufacturing such weapons, why wouldn't they have done so earlier? Why wouldn't they have employed such weapons against the Borg? Why not against the Dominion? Even the DOMINION was incapable of manufacturing such weapons, which would have destroyed the minefield surrounding Terak Nor quite easily, despite their apparently higher level of technology and massive advantages in industrial capability. Moreover, an Imperator class Star Destroyer would easily be able to shrug off the detonation of even this weapon at very close range. If the Empire had a single ISD patroling the other side of your hypothetical wormhole, the UFP forces moving through it would be routed.

They would just be of much greater size. Once the way was cleared then the ships would be able to get through. Immediately the ships could start their star collapsing spree.

Where would these ships come from? The UFP has a finite number of ships that can only move so fast. Even assuming that the UFP could somehow find the starships and resources to employ your plan, what would be stopping Imperial forces already on the other side of the wormhole?

You're probably thinking that the Empire would be able to just have their ships waiting for the coalition or just Federation ships. Well, the Empire's ships have a major weakness. They only have their sub-light propulsion and hyperdrives. They have no way of reaching a Federation ship in warp. In layman’s terms they can't reach the speeds in-between hyperspace and sub-light speeds which the Federation ships can. They wouldn't be able to catch them with their sub-light engines and would overshoot them with their hyperdrives. The ships of the Federation and all the other major races in the milky way galaxy have the ability to fire when their warp drive is activated. The Federation would also have their side of the wormhole mined and blockaded.

The Federation ships would have to drop out of warp to engage a target travelling at sublight speeds. This has been observed NUMEROUS times, but most notably in the Dominion attack on Terak Nor. If the Dominion were able to "warp-strafe" the station, they should have done so. This would have prevented them from taking the large casualties they were forced to withstand over the course of the engagement. Since hyperdrives are so much faster than UFP warp-drives, Imperial ships would simply move ahead of the UFP's ships, wait for them to drop out of warp, and destroy them at leisure.

Additionally, gravity shadows can drop starships out of warp. Gravity shadows... like the ones set up by Imperial interdictors. The interdictors would have a particularly easy time of it, since they are so much faster than the UFP ships.

Moreover, the UFP mines would be irrelevant for Imperial capital ships, even if they had their shields down when moving through the wormhole. I remind you that Acclamator-class transports could withstand thermonuclear detonations to their bare hulls and only be scorched. Their hull-integrity would not be affected in any way. Even the regenerating minefield that the UFP erected around the Bajoran wormhole would prove no obstacle to Imperial starships.

Back to the subject of weapons. The Federation could also capture a small craft in the galaxy that the Empire is located in. For example a YT-1300 Corelian Transport (otherwise known as the type of ship the Millennium Falcon is).

How?

The Federation could then take the hyperdrive of the ship and assimilate it into their own technology.

How? The war would be long-since over before the UFP was able to make any significant research into the hyperdrive. I remind you that the UFP still had not managed to figure out even the comparatively primitive transwarp engines that Voyager brought back by the time of the events in ST:Nemesis. If it takes them that long to figure out warp-drives based on technology they ALREADY understand, how would they have any chance of succeeding in such a task with an Imperial hyperdrive?

Thus the Federation would be able to reach more distant targets like Corusant and the star system where the Empire produces most of their Star Destroyers in which I know for a fact is only one star system.

Irrelevant. The defenses at BOTH Coruscant and Kuat would easily defeat the entire UFP fleet.

Even if the Empire did overrun the Federation they would have to deal with the highly adaptive Borg Collective, the Klingon Empire and the Romulan Star Empire.

All of those would be more or less irrelevant obstacles for the Empire.

You may think that the Romulan Star Empire is not a match for the Empire.

You're right. I don't.

Well, it is a good enough of a match to be one major pain in the ass to the Empire. The Romulans have the most territory and largest fleet out of all the major powers in the alpha quadrant.

And that means what to the Empire? I remind you that UFP/Romulan/Klingon firepower tops off in the kiloton-low megaton range. Imperial firepower is in the high-gigaton range, and even higher for large turbolasers, mounted on capital ships. Each Romulan planet would take one star destroyer one hour to completely destroy. I hardly see this as being remotely impressive.

Also, the Romulans have extremely good weapons such as the very destructive plasma torpedoes. You may be saying the are slow and degrade over distance but now with the new zero-point, clean-vacuum technology the weapons have extremely greater speed, accuracy, and effective range. The Romulans also constantly upgrade their fleet of D’Deridex (Romulan name for Warbirds) with the newest technologies to give them a constant edge over the enemy. Finally, the Romulans have just replaced all of their old but venerable ships with new designs. These ships are a totally new breed of Romulan ships with only one purpose, heavy battle and reconasince (note they use perfect and undetectable cloak fields to do their spying). The names of these ships are the
Talon class “Frigate”, the Falcon class “Destroyer”, the Shrike class “Light Cruiser”, the Hawk class “Heavy Cruiser”, and the Raptor class “Heavy Battlecruiser”.

First of all, I'd like to see your evidence for the Romulan starships you pulled out of your ass. Moreover, just because they are better than the old Romulan ships hardly makes them orders of magnitude more powerful, which they would need to be to even distract an Imperial capital ship. Moreover, even the Romulan's newest weapons do not hold a candle to turbolasers which can accurately target a starship from outside of a planetary system, fire into the high-gigaton range almost continuously for some time, and destroy large cities in a single shot.

Moreover, Imperial shielding would be more than a match for all of the weapons you listed. You lose again.

You also made on last major mistake. You do not take into account the new technologies and ship designs of the most recent movies Star Trek First Contact, Star Trek Insurrection and Star Trek Nemesis. In that time period the Federation is undergoing a massive renewing of their fleets. They are replacing the older classes with more advanced, extremely maneuverable, and more powerful ships. Such as the Intrepid class, the Sovereign class, the Saber class, the Norway class, and the Akira class.

They are similarly irrelevant, based on technology that would be no match for the Empire. I'm sure they're much better than GCS ships, but they're not capable of firing into the gigaton range, which they would need to do to have any chance of defeating even smaller Imperial picket ships.

These ships were all designed for only one use. That use is to conduct warfare.

In other words, the UFP now designs ships with the same PURPOSE as all of the ships of the Galactic Empire. Too bad their technology is so laughably antiquated compared to Imperial models as to be completely insignificant. Any minor upgrades that the UFP has made for these new ships would make little or no difference on either a tactical or strategic level, particularly since my calculation of the total firepower displayed by the Enterprise-E, one of the most advanced ships in the UFP arsenal as of ST:Nemesis, totaled to a few KILOtons. Compare this to ships from Star Wars, in which even the Slave-1 seen in AotC could fire a a continuous barrage of 1 kiloton shots without difficulty.

All the ships are more advanced than the Galaxy class ship which is as expensive and big ship not designed for war. Also most of the ships are small and relatively easy to produce. The ships are also equipped with not isolinear chips for their computer systems but with bio-neural gelpacks which are more effective under combat conditions. Also, the Federation with the research of Professor Mannheim could unleash a terrible weapon on the galaxy the Empire inhabits. They could created a tear in the space time continuum of the galaxy invariably destroying the fabric of space time. That would cause time to be fragmented throughout the Empire’s galaxy. For example, in one area time could be frozen in place and in another time could be traveling backwards and so on.

All of these new ships would be better than a GCS, but they would still lose to Boba Fett's starship in ESB. Badly. Concession accepted.

I do not wish this to be a flamer note and if you think it is I am sorry. I only wish to state the true way the Federation would have Starfleet handle the situation.

You could have saved us a lot of time just by saying that they would lose, and you would have been much more accurate in your assessment.

I also want to tell you to update your information on the current technological state of the Federation by using evidence from the latest movies.

I've already made such calculations. They're not pretty.

Finally Galaxy class ships are mainly used for deep space exploration only. Not front line battle. That’s what the newer classes are
meant for.

I have no idea why you find this relevant in the least. The Sovereign class ship's torpedoes TOP OUT at less than one kiloton worth of effective firepower against the Scimitar, as per my calculations. Imperial STARFIGHTERS carry firepower in a similar range.

sincerely,
Steven Krashefski

p.s. If you don’t know I am only 14 years of age and nearly the best student in my eight grade class.

That might impress me if I wasn't accepted into Pomona College, after graduating in the top 5% of my High School of 2000+ affluent teenagers.

Excuse my French but please don’t bull shit me about the ethical reasons for which the Federation would not use trilithium weapons and time based weapons. War is war and if an interstellar country has the will to survive they will go to any length to
ensure their survival.

I guess that's why the UFP used trilithium weapons against the Scimitar in ST:Nemesis. Oh wait, they didn't.

Moreover, such weapons would make little or no difference, anyway.

[Gandalf]

ROTFLMAO!!!

We need him on the boards, just for pure flamage.

On another note, did anyone else crack up from the phrase "interstellar country". I know I did.

[Peregrin Toker]

First of all, I'd like to see your evidence for the Romulan starships you pulled out of your ass.

They're from the "Star Trek: Armada" computer game and basically scaled-down versions of the D'Deridex.

Needless, to say, "Star Trek: Armada" isn't canon.

[Setesh]

With the Romulan knowledge of trilithium the coalition could use trilithium based weapons as the ultimate shock and awe tactic.

lol, shock and awe would require it to be a shocking experience. this wouln't be a shock to the empire since star killers were first deployed by Dark Lord of the Sith Naga Sadow over 20000 years BBY (dark side weapon), used again 4000y BBY (same weapon recovered by Sith lord Exar Kun, then used again post ROTJ (Suncrusher)

[Darth Wong]

You forgot to mention Centrepoint Station. I particularly enjoyed the way he misinterpreted the concept of "shock and awe". Shock and awe requires two elements which he doesn't have:

1. Speed and range; you must hit hard, hit fast, and hit the enemy wherever you please. With Federation warp drive, it will take years to strike targets, and they'll be limited to a very small territory, smaller than the holdings of private organizations like the Corporate Sector Authority.
2. Helplessness: you must be able to hit the enemy without him being able to strike back at you. The idea is to destroy his morale. If he CAN hit back at you, then "shock and awe" becomes "seriously pissed off enemy", which is a bad thing. The Japanese WW2 experience demonstrated the foolishness of a large-scale pre-emptive attack against a larger and more powerful enemy, and they didn't even hit a civilian target.

In short, even if everything worked perfectly, our little eight grade friend's idea would do little damage to the Empire at large and would rapidly lead to every single Federation world being reduced to a cinder. The Federation's entire history, culture, people, and society would be erased in the swift and terrible retribution. You would have to go to Romulan history books to figure out what the Federation was, because there wouldn't be a trace of it left.

[Macross]

I like how he deliberatly points out that the Millenium Falcon is a YT-1300. Like anybody on this board doesnt know that.

[The Yosemite Bear]

Based on some of the "Fluff" stuff I would say the Tholians are the only ST race that could stand a chance in hell, against a single SD.

Of course that would require every single Tholian Ship "Gestalting" into one giant interdictor/warship, and then it's still not looking very good for the crystals.

[2000AD]

You also made on last major mistake. You do not take into account the new technologies and ship designs of the most recent movies Star Trek First Contact, Star Trek Insurrection and Star Trek Nemesis.

Guess he missed this then.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

If the Alpha Quadrant starts using superweapons, can you imagine the Imperial responce?

[Rob Wilson]

I think you might need to cut the kid some slack. It's obvious that someone has probably mentioned the site and he has not yet bothered to read it, with the E-mail addy being given to him by someone else. He's only 14 (and yes i know we have some excellent and intelligent 14 year old debators here, but that's the exception rather than the rule), so perhaps you could ask him to read the site first, throughly, and see if it doesn't answer his questions.

If he then says he's already read the site, then you have grounds for calling him the dumbest stump in the forest, until then, education not eradication may be the best policy.

[2000AD]

If the Alpha Quadrant starts using superweapons, can you imagine the Imperial responce?

Death Star, Galaxy Gun and ... oh look ... the Suncrusher. Guess what Mr. Krashefski the Empire can make stars go nova with a ship the size of a large fighter. BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!

[Ghost Rider]

Yeah as easy it is to shred him, have him throughly read the site(he claims to be intelligent let him back this one up by reading first)

Then after a a nice run through, hell the five minute should be a scare enough for him, he still clings to some inane ideas...shred him.

[PainRack]

If the Alpha Quadrant starts using superweapons, can you imagine the Imperial responce?

The Empire shows Green Lantern how a REAL power ring works.
"Commence Primary Ignition!"

[paladin]

I doubt junior realized that if the Federation and Empire were at war that the Empire would have a force guarding the wormhole. Apparently, he thinks the Empire has the common sense of the Federation. SF vessels wouldn't be able to get within several light-years of the wormhole before being blasted to dust.