SSD size in question

Dark Primus · Post by **Dark Primus** » 2003-05-24 04:24pm

Is there any source from Lucasfilm that says the SSD is 17.6 km and not this 5 mile or 8 mile lenght?

I think I need it.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-05-24 04:25pm

Yeah, the movies themselves and the SSD prop size over the ISD prop size.

Dark Primus · Post by **Dark Primus** » 2003-05-24 04:49pm

Alyeska wrote:Yeah, the movies themselves and the SSD prop size over the ISD prop size.

I am trying to convince some Transfans on a Swedish TF forum that the movies are absolute 100% canon and not the The Official Star Wars Guide to Vehicles and Vessels which point out the SSD to be 5-8 miles. Figures that contradict what we see in the movies.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-05-24 05:14pm

Simply introduce them to the concept of canon and that the originating source has ulimate status over everything else. Thus any contradiction is won by the higher canon source. Furthermore, introduce them to the flucating offical sizes of the Executor. How the 12.8km figure is exactly half way between 17.6km and 8km. That alone indicates offical sources still haven't gotten it right. The movies themselves introduce the vesel and thus the size they show is the correct size.

Macross · Post by **Macross** » 2003-05-24 05:16pm

Dark Primus wrote:
Alyeska wrote:Yeah, the movies themselves and the SSD prop size over the ISD prop size.
I am trying to convince some Transfans on a Swedish TF forum that the movies are absolute 100% canon and not the The Official Star Wars Guide to Vehicles and Vessels which point out the SSD to be 5-8 miles. Figures that contradict what we see in the movies.

Im having the same problem. Also, the guy im arguing with also refuses to accept that an ISD is an Imperator-Class because that name only appears in one source.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-05-24 05:24pm

If some idiot actually needs to be convinced that the fucking MOVIES are canon, he is beyond help.

Dark Primus · Post by **Dark Primus** » 2003-05-24 05:31pm

Can I get the link to the picture seeing the behemont of the SSD compared to the SD that flies under it?

BabelHuber · Post by **BabelHuber** » 2003-05-24 05:58pm

Shadow of an ISD on the Executor:
http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/given/rb/needa.gif

Discussion of Executor and size in general:
http://www.theforce.net/swtc/ssd.html

Kintaro · Post by **Kintaro** » 2003-05-24 06:38pm

There is one book I know of that states the Executor-class star destroyer is 11 time as long as an Imperator-class star destroyer. I think it's called "From Star Wars to Indiana Jones."

Ignorant_Boy · Post by **Ignorant_Boy** » 2003-05-24 08:21pm

Tell them that the bridge towers on the SSD and the ISD are the same size. Then show him this picture which someone made (sorry for not giving credit to a specific person; I can't remember who originally posted it).
http://www.geocities.com/tachnyrus/pers ... troyer.txt

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-05-24 08:22pm

Also, you can show him this:

http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/cards/wide/fleet.jpg

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-05-25 12:10am

Moved to PSW.

Just reference him to Star Wars Technical Commentaries.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-05-25 12:11am

Ignorant_Boy wrote:Tell them that the bridge towers on the SSD and the ISD are the same size. Then show him this picture which someone made (sorry for not giving credit to a specific person; I can't remember who originally posted it).
http://www.geocities.com/tachnyrus/pers ... troyer.txt

That's a really cool picture, btw.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-05-25 12:33am

Darth Wong wrote:If some idiot actually needs to be convinced that the fucking MOVIES are canon, he is beyond help.

Enter TheForce.net's Literature Forum.

Macross · Post by **Macross** » 2003-05-25 01:46am

Darth Wong wrote:If some idiot actually needs to be convinced that the fucking MOVIES are canon, he is beyond help.

One of the latest Trekkie tactics is to dismiss the ESB asteroid scene entirely. They say that 2 or 3 seconds of SFX footage made in 1980 isnt conclusive evidence. They also say that if the movies were made today, the SFX guys would have made huge spectacular explosions.

These people seem to have forgotten the Special Editions, and the asteroid scene in AOTC.

Dark Primus · Post by **Dark Primus** » 2003-05-25 05:43am

Wow guys. Thanks for your help. I think I have convinced them, or at least shut them up.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-05-25 12:44pm

Macross wrote:One of the latest Trekkie tactics is to dismiss the ESB asteroid scene entirely. They say that 2 or 3 seconds of SFX footage made in 1980 isnt conclusive evidence. They also say that if the movies were made today, the SFX guys would have made huge spectacular explosions.

These people seem to have forgotten the Special Editions, and the asteroid scene in AOTC.

Tell them if they do not understand the principle of Suspension of Disbelief--they are not worth arguing with.

Alan Bolte · Post by **Alan Bolte** » 2003-05-25 06:43pm

Vympel wrote:
Ignorant_Boy wrote:Tell them that the bridge towers on the SSD and the ISD are the same size. Then show him this picture which someone made (sorry for not giving credit to a specific person; I can't remember who originally posted it).
http://www.geocities.com/tachnyrus/pers ... troyer.txt
That's a really cool picture, btw.

Thanks. I edited it from some pic I found on the net and had sitting on my comp. Come to think of it I think I got it from SWTC. I don't think he likes that. Oops.

Dark Primus · Post by **Dark Primus** » 2003-05-26 05:45am

Nope I celebrated to early. One still refuse to aknowlegde that the SSD is 17.6 km in lenght. He just repeating and waving the 8000 meters and the 12.800 meters. And that those figures are from SW.com

Here is the thread where the discussion is taking place. Assuming you can read and understand Swedish.

http://www.ntfa.net/cgi-bin/ikonboard/i ... t=287;st=0

Boba Fett · Post by **Boba Fett** » 2003-05-26 07:16am

Darth Wong wrote:If some idiot actually needs to be convinced that the fucking MOVIES are canon, he is beyond help.

Exactly my thoughts.

I've got a bad feeling that no matter how hard you'll try, you can't convince them.

Dark Primus · Post by **Dark Primus** » 2003-05-26 01:45pm

They are asking too hard questions I can't answear.

Hopefully His Divine Shadow can convince them.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-05-26 01:47pm

Dark Primus wrote:They are asking too hard questions I can't answear.

Hopefully His Divine Shadow can convince them.

What hard questions can possibly be asked? The modelmaker intended it to be 11 times the length of an ISD, independent inspection of the model's ratio of bridge tower size to overall length confirms this, it appears that big onscreen in TESB, what's there to ask?

Must we explain why the production crew of TESB outranks the makers of an obscure role-playing game? With all due respect to the people who play it, it IS obscure.

Dark Primus · Post by **Dark Primus** » 2003-05-26 02:11pm

Their strategy lies on to keep me busy looking for answers to small details.
Example: what is the distant to the light source compare to the SD that cast its shadown on the SSD? The scene where Piett leaves his ship in a shuttle.
I am going to avoid falling in to that trap.

Since there is no comment on how big the SSD are in the movies then what the officiall sites says must be the truth, according to them.
Heck this. I am going to steamroll them.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-05-26 02:13pm

Dark Primus wrote:Their strategy lies on to keep me busy looking for answers to small details.
Example: what is the distant to the star compare to the SD that cast its shadown on the SSD? The scene where Piett leaves his ship in a shuttle.
I am going to avoid falling in to that trap.

Who cares? The special effects people intended it to be that big. We have a direct quote to that effect, and we can verify it from the model of the Executor. They made the movie. It is consistent with the pictures we found. Who are these fucknuts who make arguments like this?

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-05-26 02:13pm

With regards to the laughable idea that the domes appearing on the bridges of both Imperator and Executor class starships, point out to them that their OWN FUCKING VIDEOGAME claims that the domes are not shield generators. X-Wing clearly states that the domes WERE shield generators prior to the destruction of the Devastator by Alliance fighters. Following the debacle, Imperial forces engaged in an expensive retrofiting process that moved the shield generators to a safer, internal position.