Just my two cents here...
Maybe..just maybe the Real world IS the real world.
Neo (oNe<----the one..as if nobody noticed this) is a PROGRAM put into a human body but he doesn't know hes a program he REALLY thinks he is human. The Matrix is his natural enviroment, thats why he can manipulate it at will. And thats why he was able the stop the machines outside the matrix. (all the talk about "doing the things we are created to do" blah blah bláh crap made me think of this HOLY SHIT plot twist.
The Savior of Humanity is a MACHINE.
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Well, there's already a couple of AI/program that act like humans, like the Oracle loving candies and the Merovangian loving a good blow job. If we are to believe these programs to be really sentients and are capable of love, jalousy, empathy and fear, what separates a human mind from an AI mind seems pretty thin.
But from the Smith/Bane example, the Matrix can mold the human brain to give a different personality.
But from the Smith/Bane example, the Matrix can mold the human brain to give a different personality.
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certainly. but why would an ai from the matrix stop sentinels in the real world?
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We've already seen that some AI are selfish and are pursuing goals that are against the "will" of the Matrix (Smith infecting Agents). It's possible that after accessing the Source, Neo let a part of himself in the Matrix whose disrupting the sentinels. We've seen that Neo has premonitions when unplugged. Maybe the One anomaly are suicide attempts by the Matrix despite the Architect best efforts to make the system stable? In the first movie, Smith seemed pretty desesperate to terminate his existence for a piece of software!Enforcer Talen wrote:certainly. but why would an ai from the matrix stop sentinels in the real world?
All this is pure speculations. We'll probably have to endure several boring minutes of speech about how the human soul work with the Matrix to give superduper thingamachin powers to the One, to finaly get an ersatz of answer from the Wachtheirname Brothers...
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more technically, how could an ai do that?
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The metaphysical connection theory still makes no sense.
The Matrix is a computer generated dreamworld to keep human beings under control.
The idea that programs inside the Matrix or the Matrix's processors themselves are in anyway in control of the Sentinels or any of the machines directly is totally unsupported bullshit.
The Matrix is a computer generated dreamworld to keep human beings under control.
The idea that programs inside the Matrix or the Matrix's processors themselves are in anyway in control of the Sentinels or any of the machines directly is totally unsupported bullshit.
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Have you not watched the first Matrix? Does this ring a bell:Illuminatus Primus wrote: The idea that programs inside the Matrix or the Matrix's processors themselves are in anyway in control of the Sentinels or any of the machines directly is totally unsupported bullshit.
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The Architect - Hello, Neo.
Neo - Who are you?
The Architect - I am the Architect. I created the matrix. I've been waiting for you. You have many questions, and although the process has altered your consciousness, you remain irrevocably human. Ergo, some of my answers you will understand, and some of them you will not. Concordantly, while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize it is also irrelevant.
Neo - Why am I here?
The Architect - Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden to sedulously avoid it, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you, inexorably, here.
Neo - You haven't answered my question.
The Architect - Quite right. Interesting. That was quicker than the others.
*The responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "Others? What others? How many? Answer me!"*
The Architect - The matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the sixth version.
*Again, the responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "Five versions? Three? I've been lied too. This is bullshit."*
Neo: There are only two possible explanations: either no one told me, or no one knows.
The Architect - Precisely. As you are undoubtedly gathering, the anomaly's systemic, creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations.
*Once again, the responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "You can't control me! F*ck you! I'm going to kill you! You can't make me do anything!*
Neo - Choice. The problem is choice.
*The scene cuts to Trinity fighting an agent, and then back to the Architect's room*
The Architect - The first matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equaled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is as apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being, thus I redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus, the answer was stumbled upon by another, an intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother.
Neo - The Oracle.
The Architect - Please. As I was saying, she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99.9% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level. While this answer functioned, it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that if left unchecked might threaten the system itself. Ergo, those that refused the program, while a minority, if unchecked, would constitute an escalating probability of disaster.
Neo - This is about Zion.
The Architect - You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed. Its every living inhabitant terminated, its entire existence eradicated.
Neo - Bullshit.
*The responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "Bullshit!"*
The Architect - Denial is the most predictable of all human responses. But, rest assured, this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it.
*Scene cuts to Trinity fighting an agent, and then back to the Architects room.*
The Architect - The function of the One is now to return to the source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program. After which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals, 16 female, 7 male, to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix, which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race.
Neo - You won't let it happen, you can't. You need human beings to survive.
The Architect - There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However, the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to accept the responsibility for the death of every human being in this world.
*The Architect presses a button on a pen that he is holding, and images of people from all over the matrix appear on the monitors*
The Architect - It is interesting reading your reactions. Your five predecessors were by design based on a similar predication, a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species, facilitating the function of the one. While the others experienced this in a very general way, your experience is far more specific. Vis-a-vis, love.
*Images of Trinity fighting the agent from Neo's dream appear on the monitors*
Neo - Trinity.
The Architect - Apropos, she entered the matrix to save your life at the cost of her own.
Neo - No!
The Architect - Which brings us at last to the moment of truth, wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed, and the anomaly revealed as both beginning, and end. There are two doors. The door to your right leads to the source, and the salvation of Zion. The door to the left leads back to the matrix, to her, and to the end of your species. As you adequately put, the problem is choice. But we already know what you're going to do, don't we? Already I can see the chain reaction, the chemical precursors that signal the onset of emotion, designed specifically to overwhelm logic, and reason. An emotion that is already blinding you from the simple, and obvious truth: she is going to die, and there is nothing that you can do to stop it.
*Neo walks to the door on his left*
The Architect - Humph. Hope, it is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength, and your greatest weakness.
Neo - If I were you, I would hope that we don't meet again.
The Architect - We won't.
End Scene
The Architect - Hello, Neo.
Neo - Who are you?
The Architect - I am the Architect. I created the matrix. I've been waiting for you. You have many questions, and although the process has altered your consciousness, you remain irrevocably human. Ergo, some of my answers you will understand, and some of them you will not. Concordantly, while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize it is also irrelevant.
Neo - Why am I here?
The Architect - Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden to sedulously avoid it, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you, inexorably, here.
Neo - You haven't answered my question.
The Architect - Quite right. Interesting. That was quicker than the others.
*The responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "Others? What others? How many? Answer me!"*
The Architect - The matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the sixth version.
*Again, the responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "Five versions? Three? I've been lied too. This is bullshit."*
Neo: There are only two possible explanations: either no one told me, or no one knows.
The Architect - Precisely. As you are undoubtedly gathering, the anomaly's systemic, creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations.
*Once again, the responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "You can't control me! F*ck you! I'm going to kill you! You can't make me do anything!*
Neo - Choice. The problem is choice.
*The scene cuts to Trinity fighting an agent, and then back to the Architect's room*
The Architect - The first matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equaled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is as apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being, thus I redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus, the answer was stumbled upon by another, an intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother.
Neo - The Oracle.
The Architect - Please. As I was saying, she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99.9% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level. While this answer functioned, it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that if left unchecked might threaten the system itself. Ergo, those that refused the program, while a minority, if unchecked, would constitute an escalating probability of disaster.
Neo - This is about Zion.
The Architect - You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed. Its every living inhabitant terminated, its entire existence eradicated.
Neo - Bullshit.
*The responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "Bullshit!"*
The Architect - Denial is the most predictable of all human responses. But, rest assured, this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it.
*Scene cuts to Trinity fighting an agent, and then back to the Architects room.*
The Architect - The function of the One is now to return to the source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program. After which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals, 16 female, 7 male, to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix, which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race.
Neo - You won't let it happen, you can't. You need human beings to survive.
The Architect - There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However, the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to accept the responsibility for the death of every human being in this world.
*The Architect presses a button on a pen that he is holding, and images of people from all over the matrix appear on the monitors*
The Architect - It is interesting reading your reactions. Your five predecessors were by design based on a similar predication, a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species, facilitating the function of the one. While the others experienced this in a very general way, your experience is far more specific. Vis-a-vis, love.
*Images of Trinity fighting the agent from Neo's dream appear on the monitors*
Neo - Trinity.
The Architect - Apropos, she entered the matrix to save your life at the cost of her own.
Neo - No!
The Architect - Which brings us at last to the moment of truth, wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed, and the anomaly revealed as both beginning, and end. There are two doors. The door to your right leads to the source, and the salvation of Zion. The door to the left leads back to the matrix, to her, and to the end of your species. As you adequately put, the problem is choice. But we already know what you're going to do, don't we? Already I can see the chain reaction, the chemical precursors that signal the onset of emotion, designed specifically to overwhelm logic, and reason. An emotion that is already blinding you from the simple, and obvious truth: she is going to die, and there is nothing that you can do to stop it.
*Neo walks to the door on his left*
The Architect - Humph. Hope, it is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength, and your greatest weakness.
Neo - If I were you, I would hope that we don't meet again.
The Architect - We won't.
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If Zion is really part of the Matrix and merely a second level, why don't they
just go: "Oh let's destroy Zion!" and type in DELETE "ZION.C" on their
command line?
just go: "Oh let's destroy Zion!" and type in DELETE "ZION.C" on their
command line?
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I suppose because the deploying of the Sentinel Army was necessary to ensure the chain of events that would lead the One to the source.MKSheppard wrote:If Zion is really part of the Matrix and merely a second level, why don't they
just go: "Oh let's destroy Zion!" and type in DELETE "ZION.C" on their
command line?
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But once that happened, why the fuck did they need to keep the charade up?Durran Korr wrote: I suppose because the deploying of the Sentinel Army was necessary to ensure the chain of events that would lead the One to the source.
Just hit the delete button. Stop wasting CPU cycles on keeping the charade
up and mass delete the entire place.
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That would make sense, wouldn't it? I still think the only way to explain Neo's ability to stop the Sentinels is only explainable by Zion being a second matrix, in spite of this.MKSheppard wrote:But once that happened, why the fuck did they need to keep the charade up?Durran Korr wrote: I suppose because the deploying of the Sentinel Army was necessary to ensure the chain of events that would lead the One to the source.
Just hit the delete button. Stop wasting CPU cycles on keeping the charade
up and mass delete the entire place.
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When a program starts giving you errors, and threatens to corrupt your
system, you just open up Task Manager and End Process.
Neo started that entire error sequence the moment he told the Architecht
to essentially fuck off and saved Trinity instead of rebooting Zion.
If Zion was really a 2nd Matrix why didn't the machines just halt that
application the moment Neo walked out the door to save Trinity,
and pulled out their Zion Backup CDs to start the seventh Zion?
system, you just open up Task Manager and End Process.
Neo started that entire error sequence the moment he told the Architecht
to essentially fuck off and saved Trinity instead of rebooting Zion.
If Zion was really a 2nd Matrix why didn't the machines just halt that
application the moment Neo walked out the door to save Trinity,
and pulled out their Zion Backup CDs to start the seventh Zion?
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You should consult the transcript I posted of the Scene with Neo and
the architect a few posts above...
the architect a few posts above...
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[quote-"The Architect"]Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix, which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race. [/quote]
Now, the Architect could be lying to Neo, but if what he says is true, Zion != 2nd Matrix.
Now, the Architect could be lying to Neo, but if what he says is true, Zion != 2nd Matrix.
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No--if he doesnt return to the source, eventually it will crash and everyone will be killed. Meanwhile, the sentinels are on their way to wipe out zion. When zion is gone, and everyone connected to the Matrix is gone, the human race becomes totally extinct. There is no hint at all about any second Matrix.
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Wait, are you saying no to me? Caus that is essetially what I was saying.zombie84 wrote:No--if he doesnt return to the source, eventually it will crash and everyone will be killed. Meanwhile, the sentinels are on their way to wipe out zion. When zion is gone, and everyone connected to the Matrix is gone, the human race becomes totally extinct. There is no hint at all about any second Matrix.
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Well my thoughts on the matter:
I'm sure the architect slipped in lies with truth in what he was telling neo.
I'm thinking he and the oracle are in fact the same program, and they both prod neo to make him make decisions, to what end i dunno.
Plus from what we saw in the first matrix, humans are grown, they are no longer born, this would imply a cloning technology of some kind, so not destroying zion would not mean the end of the human species, as they have to have some archetype DNA from which to grow the humans.
Zion is not a second matrix, but rather, they didn't exit the matrix when they thought they did, the sentinels had found where they were and made a layer of the matrix which was exactly like the real world, and where the nebuchadnezzar was situated.
That's why Neo said it was different that time and was able to stop the sentinels that appeared to be in the real world.
Now why would this make him pass out?
Well my thoughts are, that as soon as he realised he was in the matrix still, his brain didn't know how to interpret what was real and what wasn't, so he fainted while everyone else is still oblivious.
It's also possible that neo is a third part of the architect/oracle/neo trinity, and weirdly he is in love with someone called trinity...but that's just a guess. Now it's possible that the architect and the oracle have no free will, and use neo to know what it's like..it's a bizarre triune god, with the creator, the saviour, and the "spirit" or whatever the oracle is meant to be.
My guess is in the next one, agent smith, will exist as a yin to neo's yang, and will be pivotal in what happens, as for what'll happen, i have no idea, but it's possible that smith will be the only way to distinguish between what is real and what is still a layer of the matrix.
The whole thing is about free will, predetermination and manipulation.
I forsee lots more prophecy, guns,battles and chats with god.
To conclude, Zion is still in the real world, but where the last one ended was not the real world.
Probably.
I'm sure the architect slipped in lies with truth in what he was telling neo.
I'm thinking he and the oracle are in fact the same program, and they both prod neo to make him make decisions, to what end i dunno.
Plus from what we saw in the first matrix, humans are grown, they are no longer born, this would imply a cloning technology of some kind, so not destroying zion would not mean the end of the human species, as they have to have some archetype DNA from which to grow the humans.
Zion is not a second matrix, but rather, they didn't exit the matrix when they thought they did, the sentinels had found where they were and made a layer of the matrix which was exactly like the real world, and where the nebuchadnezzar was situated.
That's why Neo said it was different that time and was able to stop the sentinels that appeared to be in the real world.
Now why would this make him pass out?
Well my thoughts are, that as soon as he realised he was in the matrix still, his brain didn't know how to interpret what was real and what wasn't, so he fainted while everyone else is still oblivious.
It's also possible that neo is a third part of the architect/oracle/neo trinity, and weirdly he is in love with someone called trinity...but that's just a guess. Now it's possible that the architect and the oracle have no free will, and use neo to know what it's like..it's a bizarre triune god, with the creator, the saviour, and the "spirit" or whatever the oracle is meant to be.
My guess is in the next one, agent smith, will exist as a yin to neo's yang, and will be pivotal in what happens, as for what'll happen, i have no idea, but it's possible that smith will be the only way to distinguish between what is real and what is still a layer of the matrix.
The whole thing is about free will, predetermination and manipulation.
I forsee lots more prophecy, guns,battles and chats with god.
To conclude, Zion is still in the real world, but where the last one ended was not the real world.
Probably.
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How does this prove that the Matrix mainframe controls all the machines? It just means that the Agent programs can post requests for backup in the real world from the Sentinels.Hobot wrote:Have you not watched the first Matrix? Does this ring a bell:Illuminatus Primus wrote: The idea that programs inside the Matrix or the Matrix's processors themselves are in anyway in control of the Sentinels or any of the machines directly is totally unsupported bullshit.
"Agent Smith: We have no choice but to continue as planned. Deploy the sentinels. Immediately."
Think about the connnection theory.
It requires that Neo's plugs somehow turn into I/O transmitters and that he can unconsciously send commands through the Matrix, and to the other machine computers that will then simply relay it to the Sentinels--and somehow self-destruct them such that it looks like they ran into a wall of TK from the One. All by conincidence.
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Because the flaw in the Matrix and the problem of choice never goes away. Since there will always need rebels the whole charade must always be maintained.MKSheppard wrote:But once that happened, why the fuck did they need to keep the charade up?Durran Korr wrote: I suppose because the deploying of the Sentinel Army was necessary to ensure the chain of events that would lead the One to the source.
Just hit the delete button. Stop wasting CPU cycles on keeping the charade
up and mass delete the entire place.
Why the fuck else have they done it 6 times?
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Illuminatus Primus
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Because the One HAS to reboot the Matrix.MKSheppard wrote:When a program starts giving you errors, and threatens to corrupt your
system, you just open up Task Manager and End Process.
Neo started that entire error sequence the moment he told the Architecht
to essentially fuck off and saved Trinity instead of rebooting Zion.
If Zion was really a 2nd Matrix why didn't the machines just halt that
application the moment Neo walked out the door to save Trinity,
and pulled out their Zion Backup CDs to start the seventh Zion?
Didn't you listen to what you posted. If he walked back into the Matrix there would be a fatal system crash that'd kill everyone connected to the Matrix.
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The real world is not a second Matrix because if it were, then the machines would not have to go through the process of The One and the Source, etc, etc, they could just purge the Zionists every once in a while...
The very fact that that doesn't happen pretty much disproves the 'Matrix within a Matrix' thing.
The very fact that that doesn't happen pretty much disproves the 'Matrix within a Matrix' thing.
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Not really.DPDarkPrimus wrote:The real world is not a second Matrix because if it were, then the machines would not have to go through the process of The One and the Source, etc, etc, they could just purge the Zionists every once in a while...
The very fact that that doesn't happen pretty much disproves the 'Matrix within a Matrix' thing.
The Matrix would still be flawed, and ultimately require rebooting. Zion and the resistance acts as the motivator for making the integral anomaly (the One) reinsert the code to restart the prime program. In essence, sending the "Sentinel Army" to eradicate Zion is the same thing as purging it. Since the Matrix restarts anyway, the affect is the same--just the false reality is retained for force the One to restart the Matrix. Otherwise the anomaly will still degrade and ultimately destroy the system.
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