The Dominion vs. SW Clones

[YT300000]

Don't the Klawn helmets have auditory enhancements?

They do, as well as a whole gamut of sensors.

[Shroom Man 777]

Don't the Klawn helmets have auditory enhancements?

They do, as well as a whole gamut of sensors.

So they can hear the Dominion slime soldiers, right? So in that case, Klawn Troopers can detect the Slime Soldiers in any case, any time, any place, any method of shape shifting or stealthy Slime Shit, correct?

Hence Klawn Trooper > Dominion

[Crazedwraith]

Has any one realised that we dont have to use AtoC Clone troopers? The thread title was dominion vs SW CLONES. So what eva we nknow about stormtroopers can be appied as they were cloned by Thrawn.

[YT300000]

Has any one realised that we dont have to use AtoC Clone troopers? The thread title was dominion vs SW CLONES. So what eva we nknow about stormtroopers can be appied as they were cloned by Thrawn.

Which means fully-trained, really skilled, psycologically stable Stormies in 14 days.

[Anarchist Bunny]

Has any one realised that we dont have to use AtoC Clone troopers? The thread title was dominion vs SW CLONES. So what eva we nknow about stormtroopers can be appied as they were cloned by Thrawn.

Stormies aren't clones, there conscripts, and fanatical ones at that. Probly some sort of psychological training or some sort of drug theropy(note to sov, not a constantly applied drug, a one time treatment most likely, and besides it's just a theory) to make them 100% loyal and completely fearless in battle.

[YT300000]

Has any one realised that we dont have to use AtoC Clone troopers? The thread title was dominion vs SW CLONES. So what eva we nknow about stormtroopers can be appied as they were cloned by Thrawn.

Stormies aren't clones, there conscripts, and fanatical ones at that. Probly some sort of psychological training or some sort of drug theropy(note to sov, not a constantly applied drug, a one time treatment most likely, and besides it's just a theory) to make them 100% loyal and completely fearless in battle.

Some stormtroopers are clones, some are conscripts. The process of psychological training is called "indocrination".

[Kurgan]

When have the founders ever been seen in combat?

Apologies if this has been mentioned before, but I've been watching DS9 eps in order, and unless I missed something, we haven't seen the Founders in battle (except occasionly wrestling with Odo or something).

We have seen Odo take out people, but usually in more conventional humanoid manner (punches, small arms fire), other than just restraining someone with his stretchy arms. ; )

We have seen a changeling produce a metallic looking "sword" from his hand and use it to fatally spear a Klingon warrior through his chest armor in "Chimera" (IIRC, season 7). I am only up to ep 7x16, so I could have missed something. A knife through the chest was insufficient to kill him, but we've seen other changelings destroyed by full power phaser shots or hundreds of pulse disruptor shots at once (the one who tried to impersonate General Martok for example). Another changeling was tossed (by Odo) into some kind of force field and killed.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Let's see, Odo was obliterated by one shot in the Mirror Universe in "Crossover." Another changling was blasted by a barage of disruptor fire in "Apocalypse Rising." And then Odo determined Changlings could be stunned from 3.[something] phaser setting in "Homefront"

[Kurgan]

Yes.

[Sovereign]

Scale it.

http://www.geocities.com/sovereign_empi ... SWars.html

[Anarchist Bunny]

Ok, who exactly is Sovie quoting and what was he trying to disprove, I can't find the post due to snippings.

[Sovereign]

Scale it.

http://www.geocities.com/sovereign_empi ... SWars.html[/quote]

[Anarchist Bunny]

Also, a little nitpick. but Star Wars and Star Trek are not the most powerful Sci-Fi universe, Culture and IIRC Warhammmer because of the Necrons are both more powerful than them. The Culter by and order of magintude of orgers of manitudes.

SW and ST are the most popular and profitable Sci-Fi universes.

[Ghost Rider]

The exchange between him and GAT

And which won't matter for shit because the AT-TEs will just go right over them like they were designed to do.

No Mechs in a small cave.

Scale it.

[Anarchist Bunny]

Thanks, I found it.

None of those pics accually show a roof lower than the hight of an AT-ST, just some door ways too low, infact the first one accualy shows that an AT-ST could fit in those caves.

[Anarchist Bunny]

Thanks, I found it.

None of those pics accually show a roof lower than the hight of an AT-ST, just some door ways too low, infact the first one accualy shows that an AT-ST could fit in those caves.

Forgot, clonies, what was the name of the Clone equivalent to the AT-ST?

[Sovereign]

SW and ST are the most popular and profitable Sci-Fi universes.

Actually thats what I meant, but it sounded better as "Most Powerful Sci-Fi Empires"

[Anarchist Bunny]

Oh, an AT-TE eh? Even if their is no room in that cave that can hold it, it is powerful enough to make itself fit.

[Sovereign]

All Terrain Tactical Enforcer (AT-TE walker)

Oh, an AT-TE eh? Even if their is no room in that cave that can hold it, it is powerful enough to make itself fit.

Not only killing the Enemy just trying to get in, but destroying your own troopers and the Relay Station while your at it.[/quote]

[Anarchist Bunny]

Not only killing the Enemy just trying to get in, but destroying your own troopers and the Relay Station while your at it.

I don't mean walking through the cave constantly blasting a way, I mean getting to a defendable position, beating back the enemy, making it's way into this new area, beating the enemy back.

Ok, I'm getting sick of you just picking spesific parts of a post and ignoring all the rest leading the topic away. The Clonies are better protected, better equiped, more powerfully armed, better trained, just as loyal and fearless as the Jemies, better supported, and it doesn't matter if they have mechs or not, they'll still steam roll through the Jemies. Stop ignoring what proves you wrong and thinking that you've made a victory by changing the subject. Stop fucking guerrila debating and conceed or try to prove yourself right.

[Tribun]

The Clone Army wins easy.
They have much better weapons, heavy weapons, superior sensor systems and a damn good body armor. They can think for themselves and have a lot more sense for tactic and dicipline.
After I have seen what they had done to the droid army, I think they would slaughter the Jemmies.

[Sovereign]

Not only killing the Enemy just trying to get in, but destroying your own troopers and the Relay Station while your at it.

I don't mean walking through the cave constantly blasting a way, I mean getting to a defendable position, beating back the enemy, making it's way into this new area, beating the enemy back.

Ok, I'm getting sick of you just picking spesific parts of a post and ignoring all the rest leading the topic away. The Clonies are better protected, better equiped, more powerfully armed, better trained, just as loyal and fearless as the Jemies, better supported, and it doesn't matter if they have mechs or not, they'll still steam roll through the Jemies. Stop ignoring what proves you wrong and thinking that you've made a victory by changing the subject. Stop fucking guerrila debating and conceed or try to prove yourself right.

1. Clone armor and Stormtrooper Armor only protects them a little. And even then it doesnt portect at all. Stormtroopers have been killed with one shot to the chest and plenty of Clone troopers were killed by laser fire in AOTC.

2. The added armor would slow down a trooper and the bright color white would give away their position easily. Although the Jem'Hadar wear no such armor, they have more maeuverability and their dark colors blend in better to the AR-558 environment.

3. The Machine guns would take to long to set up for a full assult, they would be used for defence like in the movie Aliens. But they would also have men opporating them.

4. They couldnt steam role over anyone. Thier are 150 of them and they are out numbered by the Jem'Hadar.

5. I dont care what you think about Mech sizes, but in this battle there are none for back up.

[Anarchist Bunny]

1. Clone armor and Stormtrooper Armor only protects them a little. And even then it doesnt portect at all. Stormtroopers have been killed with one shot to the chest and plenty of Clone troopers were killed by laser fire in AOTC.

Thats because the blasters they use are set on overkill. They are too powerful to make standard issue protection from for an entire army, only speial ops get that kind of armor(Darktroopers IIRC), the clone armor is designed to protect against Chemical weapons and shrapinal caused by blaster fire. Because a flak jacket doesn't protect a soldier from machine gun fire, does it mean he's less protected then a guy in a Tshirt.

2. The added armor would slow down a trooper

Plastoid armor is very light, we've seen Han sprinting on the DS with it on, and the Clonies at the battle of Genosis didn't seem that slowed down and their were carrying very large guns at the time.

and the bright color white would give away their position easily. Although the Jem'Hadar wear no such armor, they have more maeuverability and their dark colors blend in better to the AR-558 environment.

It doesn't matter, as you yourself have said the Stormie helmet has features for low light combat, so no advantage on either side.

3. The Machine guns would take to long to set up for a full assult, they would be used for defence like in the movie Aliens. But they would also have men opporating them.

The E-Web on Hoth didn't take too long to set up, and that time could easily be bought by Clonies covering them.

4. They couldnt steam role over anyone. Thier are 150 of them and they are out numbered by the Jem'Hadar.

So the Jemies can only win with overwhelming forces, well that is debatable, but I'll accept your concession.

5. I dont care what you think about Mech sizes, but in this battle there are none for back up.

WAH WAH, I'm just taking away your mechs because I don't like giving the Clonies their advantages.

Basicly all you've said he is that the Jem-Hadar could win only if they are given(GIVEN mind you) major advantages, and still that is debatable. Basicly your saying "The Jem'Hadar are much better troops against Clone Troopers, if you give them numerical advantages, take away their support, disregard some of the Clone Armor's abilities, ignore the difference in firepower, and take away their non-blaster weapons." Sound like bullshit to you? Well thats because your points are.

[Master of Ossus]

1. Clone armor and Stormtrooper Armor only protects them a little. And even then it doesnt portect at all. Stormtroopers have been killed with one shot to the chest and plenty of Clone troopers were killed by laser fire in AOTC.

Those shots were with weapons more powerful than anything the JH have been seen fielding. The JH have no advantages here, and the armor provides limited protection from weapons that can blast softball sized chunks out of a solid metal wall, and torso-sized chunks out of masonry. Stop ignoring this. UFP phasers have never done anything close to this in combat situations.

2. The added armor would slow down a trooper and the bright color white would give away their position easily. Although the Jem'Hadar wear no such armor, they have more maeuverability and their dark colors blend in better to the AR-558 environment.

So what? The clone-trooper armor also provides them with the ability to easily spot the JH. NTM the fact that the JH range is extremely limited due to the design of their weapons. The armor has not been seen to be particularly restrictive, even in small environments, and is likely designed so as to minimize such interference.

3. The Machine guns would take to long to set up for a full assult, they would be used for defence like in the movie Aliens. But they would also have men opporating them.

What machine guns?

4. They couldnt steam role over anyone. Thier are 150 of them and they are out numbered by the Jem'Hadar.

But they are better soldiers. Special forces groups have overwhelmed forces two and sometimes three times their size without substantial difficulty. The JH would be steamrolled.

5. I dont care what you think about Mech sizes, but in this battle there are none for back up.

And now we change the rules so you can help prove the superiority of the JH. You used to allow the clones to use their full forces--just not in the caves. Now you won't allow them at all. Too bad the damage is already done. The clones are a superior fighting force. You lose.

[Shroom Man 777]

[quote="Sovereign]
1. Clone armor and Stormtrooper Armor only protects them a little. And even then it doesnt portect at all. Stormtroopers have been killed with one shot to the chest and plenty of Clone troopers were killed by laser fire in AOTC.[/quote]

Hence it proves that blasters can kill even well protected people, hence they can kill pajama wearing Dominion dodos.

2. The added armor would slow down a trooper and the bright color white would give away their position easily. Although the Jem'Hadar wear no such armor, they have more maeuverability and their dark colors blend in better to the AR-558 environment.

But nightvision will still render them visible and the mobility of the stormies is only hampered to a slight degree, the fire power, equipment and such will more than make up for it.

3. The Machine guns would take to long to set up for a full assult, they would be used for defence like in the movie Aliens. But they would also have men opporating them.

Hence the machine gunners can do intelligent decisions when using the gun, like collapse an overhead boulder on some running crazy Dominion freaks.

4. They couldnt steam role over anyone. Thier are 150 of them and they are out numbered by the Jem'Hadar.

So? The fire power, explosive damage, thermal detonators and whatnot will mow down the Jem'Hadar.

5. I dont care what you think about Mech sizes, but in this battle there are none for back up.

Oh, then they set up defensive positions and waste the Jemmies. Or go guerilla attack their base or dump some thermal detonators into some Jemmie cave or something.