Idiot trekkie at my school

[Darksider]

I got into a debate with a trekkie at my school and i could use some help smacking him down (He's got a WOI stronger than scooter's).

He started things off by claiming that a single Photon torpedo at max yield can trash a planet death star style (While providing no evidence of course). So naturally, i bring up TDIC. His response??


He claims the founder homeworld ha some kind of Uber-powerful planetary shield.


Then he pulls out the old "Lasers are crap" argument.

So I told him to prove it.

He's going to get "Specifications" (READ: trekkie wanking calcs) of the net, I tried to get him to come here so we can have our fun. But he wouldn't take the bait

[El Moose Monstero]

To be honest, I don't think you need any help, it sounds like he's going to do it all for you, all you need to do is wait for him to exhaust all his crappy arguments and hit him with the real stuff.

[Darth Servo]

When in doubt, check the database.

[neoolong]

I got into a debate with a trekkie at my school and i could use some help smacking him down (He's got a WOI stronger than scooter's).

He started things off by claiming that a single Photon torpedo at max yield can trash a planet death star style (While providing no evidence of course). So naturally, i bring up TDIC. His response??

If that was true, then the Feddies should have won whenever they used photon torpedoes. Two at most should always be enough. Yet they aren't.


He claims the founder homeworld ha some kind of Uber-powerful planetary shield.

Uh, didn't one group use a couple of ships to destroy it with torpedoes? That's hardly a strong planetary shield.

Might have to check the canon database.

Then he pulls out the old "Lasers are crap" argument.

Since lasers are invisible unless they are bouncing of something in the air and move at light speed, and turbolasers are visible and move at less than light speed, at least a part, then they aren't lasers.

And ask him if simply using names means that Star Destroyers can destroy stars.

So I told him to prove it.

He's going to get "Specifications" (READ: trekkie wanking calcs) of the net, I tried to get him to come here so we can have our fun. But he wouldn't take the bait

Want to see if he uses Scooter's site?

I'm not an expert so others can give you more detailed info.

[Darksider]

To be honest, I don't think you need any help, it sounds like he's going to do it all for you, all you need to do is wait for him to exhaust all his crappy arguments and hit him with the real stuff.

I may have been hasty in asking for assistance.

One more stupid claim........ The ENT era Photorps can cause 300,000 KM craters

[El Moose Monstero]

And while I think about it, TDIC wasnt the Founder Homeworld, so why would they bother shielding it, it was just a rock in space with a couple of signal generators on it. Even the founder's arent stupid enough to shield something unnecessarily. You could also point out that in ST5, the Enterprise fires a torpedo (admittedly, a green one) at a planets surface, and it doesnt kill Kirk, who was all of about 15 m away.

[neoolong]

To be honest, I don't think you need any help, it sounds like he's going to do it all for you, all you need to do is wait for him to exhaust all his crappy arguments and hit him with the real stuff.

I may have been hasty in asking for assistance.

One more stupid claim........ The ENT era Photorps can cause 300,000 KM craters

They only just got Photonic torpedoes and we haven't seem them actually do anything like that.

Ask him for the episode.

[Darth Servo]

He started things off by claiming that a single Photon torpedo at max yield can trash a planet death star style (While providing no evidence of course).

Stop him right there and DEMAND evidence of this capability. If he can't provide it, you tell him he's full of shit.

He claims the founder homeworld ha some kind of Uber-powerful planetary shield.

Again, demand the evidence for this shield. If he tried to say something like, "Well, the torps didn't do anything to the planet" point out that thats circular logic.

Then he pulls out the old "Lasers are crap" argument.

A) SW lasers are NOT like real life or Trek lasers.

B) Total disproof of the myth.

[Darksider]

And while I think about it, TDIC wasnt the Founder Homeworld, so why would they bother shielding it, it was just a rock in space with a couple of signal generators on it. Even the founder's arent stupid enough to shield something unnecessarily. You could also point out that in ST5, the Enterprise fires a torpedo (admittedly, a green one) at a planets surface, and it doesnt kill Kirk, who was all of about 15 m away.

Damn.... i forgot about that, i've tried to erase all memeory of ST5 from my mind

He'll probably claim it was ultra-low power

Is anyone else having trouble posting????? i keep getting "Invalid session" errors.

[Darth Servo]

One more stupid claim........ The ENT era Photorps can cause 300,000 KM craters

300,000 KM? Thats bigger than the Earth! Your debating opponent is an idiot.

[Admiral Johnason]

Bring him here are let the carange begin. BTW, tell him that they did fire a torp at a planet and it didn't do squat. Then quote a DS9 episode with planetary bombardment.

[Darksider]

Then quote a DS9 episode with planetary bombardment.

Tried, he wouldn't take the bait.

[Admiral Johnason]

Then quote a DS9 episode with planetary bombardment.

Tried, he wouldn't take the bait.

Then keep naming episodes till he starts humming. Then tell him how it is done in SW.

[Alyeska]

Here's a strange concept. Invite him here to LEARN, not be treated like an idiot. If he were to show up I could take him asside and give him some helpful information more politely then any of you are likely to.

[Darth Servo]

So what does your opponent do? Just keep saying Trek can do this and that without backing it up?

[Darksider]

So what does your opponent do? Just keep saying Trek can do this and that without backing it up?

Yes. Like somone said earlier, all i have to do is wait for him to run out of arguments and then it's "Concession Accepted"

[El Moose Monstero]

Yes. Like someone said earlier, all i have to do is wait for him to run out of arguments and then it's "Concession Accepted"

It's like I'm invisible... sob... *runs out of thread*

[neoolong]

Yes. Like someone said earlier, all i have to do is wait for him to run out of arguments and then it's "Concession Accepted"

It's like I'm invisible... sob... *runs out of thread*

No, you're not invisible, we just don't like you.

[El Moose Monstero]

You're damn lucky I'd already run out of the thread and didnt see what you just wrote...

[Darksider]

So what does your opponent do? Just keep saying Trek can do this and that without backing it up?

Yes. Like Lumberjack said earlier, all i have to do is wait for him to run out of arguments and then it's "Concession Accepted"

[El Moose Monstero]

Thank you... anyway... I apologise for that brief and totally self indulgent thread hijack, we will shortly be landing in Cuba, enjoy your smackdown.

[Darksider]

Thank you... anyway... I apologise for that brief and totally self indulgent thread hijack, we will shortly be landing in Cuba,

Cuba????? :::::checks firearm::::

enjoy your smackdown.

I will

[Darth Servo]

OK, OK, back on topic. Do you have any more specific arguments from that idiot that need shredding?

[Darksider]

OK, OK, back on topic. Do you have any more specific arguments from that idiot that need shredding?

After i told him to prove it he said he'd get specifications for the trek Uber-weapons, so if you know any sites that have calcs like that (Besides Scooter and kennedy) i'd like to see them so i can come up with counter arguments. Like i said earlier, It's my first real debate and calling for help was probably an uneeded precautionary response

[Darth Servo]

Make sure he gives you details. A lot of fan webpages make up numbers and abilities out of thin air. Be sure to get an episode name and a description of an event. If he's like most rabid vs trekkies, he'll be comming at you with vague dialogue. In the Original TOS pilot, a character boasted about their new weapons being able to destroy whole continents or something to that effect. Vague dialogue is NEVER reliable evidence. Get an observable EVENT.