Who wins in this battle?

darthdavid · Post by **darthdavid** » 2003-05-26 11:58am

Scenario: An isd has gone through a worm hole and it's hyperdrive was destroyed. They happened to land next to the romulan homeworlds who, under thread of BDZ, replicated them a massive warp drive. The ISD installs the warp drive, stocks up on food and heads twoards earth order to
get federation help in returning home. About 500 ships are at earth at the moment all combat cabable. THere are about 20 soverigns and 30 defiants. The rest are older vessels and most have a few perigrins docked inside. The ISD destroyes a few federation vessels when the klingons they were travelling with attacked the ISD and they moved to aid. Who wins. An ISD or 500 federation ships and any other defensises around earth?

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-05-26 12:03pm

The ISD.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-05-26 12:08pm

in 30 seconds, say?

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2003-05-26 01:23pm

I don't know. The sheer size of the warp core means that the thing is already over critical mass, and it might simply blow up half-way between Earth and Romulus.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-05-26 01:27pm

Darth Yoshi wrote:I don't know. The sheer size of the warp core means that the thing is already over critical mass, and it might simply blow up half-way between Earth and Romulus.

No warp core; just a warp drive. The ISD still has its own reactor (a good thing, since it wouldn't even be able to power its own weapons otherwise).

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2003-05-26 01:31pm

With the enormus ammont of energy which thier reactor is producing, they should reach warp speeds, which Feds only dream about.

If we use the correct nubers for wepons and shields, it would be a one-sided slaughter. The ISD would butcher its way to Earth.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-05-26 01:45pm

The ISD wins, fairly easily. The UFP ships simply cannot compete in terms of firepower or protection, and would be destroyed.

darthdavid · Post by **darthdavid** » 2003-05-26 02:54pm

Yeah i suppose that was a little too one sided.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2003-05-26 03:09pm

Darth Wong wrote:No warp core; just a warp drive. The ISD still has its own reactor (a good thing, since it wouldn't even be able to power its own weapons otherwise).

In that case, the ISD will win fairly easily.

darthdavid · Post by **darthdavid** » 2003-05-26 03:22pm

What happens if during the adding on of warp engines to the ISD intel finds out and ammasses a massive fleet of about 1000 star ships at earth incase anything should happen (the klingon incident having not happend yet).

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2003-05-26 04:21pm

umm in that scenrio why would they be fighting? Feddies would be happy to help anyone get back home even black-hearted ass murders like the immpies.

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2003-05-26 04:31pm

darthdavid wrote:What happens if during the adding on of warp engines to the ISD intel finds out and ammasses a massive fleet of about 1000 star ships at earth incase anything should happen (the klingon incident having not happend yet).

Still dosen't matter. Highest yield estimate for Photon torpedos is (I think) 65 megatons average estimate for the heavy guns on a 20 year old assault transport is 200 gigatons. The feddies get smashed even if they assemble their entire fleet.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-05-26 04:42pm

Tribun wrote:With the enormus ammont of energy which thier reactor is producing, they should reach warp speeds, which Feds only dream about.

If we use the correct nubers for wepons and shields, it would be a one-sided slaughter. The ISD would butcher its way to Earth.

Power does not equate speed. ST ships are designed as oddly as they are because of the warp theory requirements.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-05-26 05:01pm

500 ships? Their total torpedo load wouldn't do anything to an ISD's shields/

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-05-26 05:18pm

The ISD wins easily. It can already beat the whole Federation as is, giving it a warp drive just makes it even more powerful. Though I'm not sure how useful it would be, getting in front of a ship fleeing at warp and firing a turbolaser aft might be of use but I doubt the ISD would match Federation warp speeds with a jury rigged system.

Jawawithagun · Post by **Jawawithagun** » 2003-05-26 05:39pm

Alyeska wrote:Power does not equate speed. ST ships are designed as oddly as they are because of the warp theory requirements.

Here it does. The ISD simply has enough power to spare to take the brute-force approach to Warp. The ST ship design make their Warp drives more efficient but when one has the power to waste on it efficiency is no issue.

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2003-05-26 06:09pm

Could they even make a dent in the SDs shields?
Because I don't think so.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-05-26 06:48pm

Jawawithagun wrote:
Alyeska wrote:Power does not equate speed. ST ships are designed as oddly as they are because of the warp theory requirements.
Here it does. The ISD simply has enough power to spare to take the brute-force approach to Warp. The ST ship design make their Warp drives more efficient but when one has the power to waste on it efficiency is no issue.

Yet we've seen ships torn apart due to warp dynamics or some such bullshit.

Shape apparently does matter at warp, no matter how much power you can throw away.

Patrick Ogaard · Post by **Patrick Ogaard** » 2003-05-27 02:24am

Howedar wrote:
Jawawithagun wrote:
Alyeska wrote:Power does not equate speed. ST ships are designed as oddly as they are because of the warp theory requirements.
Here it does. The ISD simply has enough power to spare to take the brute-force approach to Warp. The ST ship design make their Warp drives more efficient but when one has the power to waste on it efficiency is no issue.
Yet we've seen ships torn apart due to warp dynamics or some such bullshit.

Shape apparently does matter at warp, no matter how much power you can throw away.

However, the dagger shape of an ISD is one that can be used by warp-capable vessels. The DS9 Hunters who were after the Tosk had a (rounded) dagger-shaped vessel, as did the alien who attempted to take control of the Federation in the TNG episode "The Game," not to mention the easily GCS-sized Zalkonian warship that nearly choked the entire Enterprise-D crew to death by means of some nasty energy weapon but was foiled by John Doe "evolving" into a generic humanoid energy being.

Okay, so all those ships were produced using the same model, but that in itself --under SoD-- indicates that the basic dagger shape's warp geometry is scalable from something not much bigger than a runabout to a vessel to rival a GCS. The ISD might be limited to relatively low warp speeds, like the Krennim timeship was limited to warp 6 or so because of its size, but usable warp speeds should be entirely possible for an ISD-sized vessel fitted with a suitably large warp drive and a monster power source of the sort an ISD's main systems run off of.

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-05-29 02:44pm

The SSD wins because of the sheer firepower it can bring to bear, the numerous fighter squadrons it has, its super dense armor and sheilds, and the fact that the crew must be pretty experienced.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-05-29 04:25pm

Patrick Ogaard wrote:
Howedar wrote:
Jawawithagun wrote: Here it does. The ISD simply has enough power to spare to take the brute-force approach to Warp. The ST ship design make their Warp drives more efficient but when one has the power to waste on it efficiency is no issue.
Yet we've seen ships torn apart due to warp dynamics or some such bullshit.

Shape apparently does matter at warp, no matter how much power you can throw away.
However, the dagger shape of an ISD is one that can be used by warp-capable vessels. The DS9 Hunters who were after the Tosk had a (rounded) dagger-shaped vessel, as did the alien who attempted to take control of the Federation in the TNG episode "The Game," not to mention the easily GCS-sized Zalkonian warship that nearly choked the entire Enterprise-D crew to death by means of some nasty energy weapon but was foiled by John Doe "evolving" into a generic humanoid energy being.

Okay, so all those ships were produced using the same model, but that in itself --under SoD-- indicates that the basic dagger shape's warp geometry is scalable from something not much bigger than a runabout to a vessel to rival a GCS. The ISD might be limited to relatively low warp speeds, like the Krennim timeship was limited to warp 6 or so because of its size, but usable warp speeds should be entirely possible for an ISD-sized vessel fitted with a suitably large warp drive and a monster power source of the sort an ISD's main systems run off of.

We never said the thing couldn't go to warp. I was just pointing out that the ISD can't throw power into the Warp Drive and expect to go fast for the simple reason the ship isn't designed to handle warp drive systems. As you said, the ISD would be moving quite slow. That is the only possible hope the Federation would have with the ISD is dealing with how slow its moving.

Darth Negation · Post by **Darth Negation** » 2003-05-30 01:28am

Admiral Johnason wrote:The SSD wins because of the sheer firepower it can bring to bear, the numerous fighter squadrons it has, its super dense armor and sheilds, and the fact that the crew must be pretty experienced.

I thought it was an ISD!

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2003-05-30 04:08am

Captain Janeway presses the Magic Deflector Button (MDB) and destroys the ISD, because they don't have better writers.

Lord of the Farce · Post by **Lord of the Farce** » 2003-05-30 06:12am

CaptainChewbacca wrote:Captain Janeway presses the Magic Deflector Button (MDB) and destroys the ISD, because they don't have better writers.

This kind of debate scenario isn't like Voyager, boy! Without something resembling a plot and a point we could have what you say happen or the universe would simple implode and that'd end it real quick, wouldn't it?

*Activates full lockdown procedures of personal firebase*

TurboPhaser · Post by **TurboPhaser** » 2003-05-30 10:47am

This would never happen. Starfleet has demonstrated it can control the Klingons, and I doubt the Klingons would just decide to shoot at the ISD. They arent that bloodthirsty.

Starfleet would help the ISD get home, the ISD crew would be grateful and leave, everybody's happy.