How could Voyager be decanonized?

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2003-05-23 02:13am

Ok, if we could do this, how would we decanonize that drivel? I mean, besides the obvious wake-up-and-it-was-only-a-dream scenario. How could we do this?

Anyone have any ideas?

Luthor · Post by **Luthor** » 2003-05-23 03:51am

Now... sure, many think that Voyager is far from being a great series...

BUT DECANNONISE???

Tell me you are kidding...

Sure, much of it is pure shite... but there is some stuff in there that is worth keeping...

The idea of the Borg Unicomplex... the new Tactical Cubes... and that's just in the Borg stuff...

Now... if you could find a way to erase from Trek history the worst episodes from any of the series... you'd have me listening!

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2003-05-23 03:55am

And let's not forget the fact that a lowly Ensign apparently would make a better Captain than the herself, who had like 20+ years experience.

Macross · Post by **Macross** » 2003-05-23 04:02am

Well, I would make a Voyager movie called "The Courtmartial of Captain Janeway," and it will be established in this movie that the series was actually a recreation of the actual events that is presented to the court in the form of testimony from the ships crew. Sort of like that early ep of TNG where Riker was accused of murder and they used the holodeck to recreate the events.

This would keep the series as canon while explaining the poor continuty and outlandish aspects of the series as gross exagerations of the crew.

Hades · Post by **Hades** » 2003-05-23 04:32am

I agree with Luthor. why would you want to.
If you ask me you lot on this forumare way too botherd about whats cannon and whats not anyway.

Sure Voyager wasnt the best series but in truth its no worse than TNG and certianly has more story archs. leave it be

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2003-05-23 06:41am

No worse than TNG? NO WORSE THAN TNG? You are crazy.

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2003-05-23 06:42am

Luthor, you mean the new "tactical cube" that could not stop a single Star Fleet science ship? Oh yeah, that was sure impressive.

RTN · Post by **RTN** » 2003-05-23 07:17am

Species 8472 cool. Hirogen cool. Tactical cubes cool. Unicomplex cool.
Equinox episodes cool.

Character development, most of the time crappy due to writers, but every once in awhile they "screwed up" and made a good character episode.

Assessment: Keepable.

RTN out.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2003-05-23 08:31am

I like the idea of a "Court Martial" movie to explain the poor continuality.

off course, then you'd have people beging for a remake of the series with the continuality cleared up.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-05-23 08:33am

What about the Starfleet High Command dismissing the Voyager crew's experiences as delusions, or what about everything turning out to be a Matrix-ish computer program?

Xon · Post by **Xon** » 2003-05-23 09:18am

Simon H.Johansen wrote:What about the Starfleet High Command dismissing the Voyager crew's experiences as delusions, or what about everything turning out to be a Matrix-ish computer program?

Or have it being some holosim and a 12 year old idiot playing God with it.

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2003-05-23 09:29am

Howabout... When the Caretaker hijacked the Voyager across the galaxy it also yeanked her in to an alternate reality slightly different from the main Trekverse.

Newtonian Fury · Post by **Newtonian Fury** » 2003-05-23 10:38am

You can say Voyager was actually a computer simulated situation in Starfleet training on what not to do as a captain. Continuity can be retained by saying that everything else is real (Hirogen, 8472, etc...), but it's the crew that's the epitome of bad behavior.

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2003-05-23 01:13pm

hmmm Voyager isn`t the story of Janeway at all*L* its a story written by Tom Paris for some latinum

The Silence and I · Post by **The Silence and I** » 2003-05-23 02:58pm

How about erase the entire series and brain-wash the populace into thinking it never existed.

Sidious · Post by **Sidious** » 2003-05-23 08:12pm

Give a double dose to the part of the population that actually likes it.

seanrobertson · Post by **seanrobertson** » 2003-05-23 08:24pm

Superman wrote:Ok, if we could do this, how would we decanonize that drivel? I mean, besides the obvious wake-up-and-it-was-only-a-dream scenario. How could we do this?

Anyone have any ideas?

Supe,

It's a lost cause. We can't canonize or de-canonize anything. It's up to Paramount. And they make their position pretty clear: all Star Trek shows, including ENT apparently, are "canon."

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2003-05-23 09:31pm

Supe,

It's a lost cause. We can't canonize or de-canonize anything. It's up to Paramount. And they make their position pretty clear: all Star Trek shows, including ENT apparently, are "canon."

I know, but let me wallow in my fantasy...

BTW, I found nothing about the Voyager Borg to be cool. Thet were weakened due to shitty writing.

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 2003-05-29 08:14pm

or what about everything turning out to be a Matrix-ish computer program?

Red Dwarf!!! YA!!!

Rhadamanthus · Post by **Rhadamanthus** » 2003-05-30 01:07am

Bah, lets get rid of Entercrap before we worry about Voyager. At least Voyager has some good points. Enterprise is unadulterated garbage.

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2003-05-30 06:36am

Solauren wrote: off course, then you'd have people beging for a remake of the series with the continuality cleared up.

Perhaps Bitch&Bastard will be too terrified to actually attempt their worse nightmare and relinquish control of trek???

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2003-05-30 01:56pm

Enterprise "Regeneration" establishes that the series is in fact a contaminated alternate timeline (begun with the temporal incursion of the E-E into earth's past in the movie "First Contact").

In season 4 of voyager (sorry I forget which episode, was it Raven?), Seven-of-Nine confirms that the events of "First Contact" happened, implying that Voyager is also a contaminated timeline.

So there you have it. It's not "history" as we know it!

(Sorry I meant to say Enterprise E, not D, typo fixed)

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-05-30 02:03pm

Kurgan wrote:Enterprise "Regeneration" establishes that the series is in fact a contaminated alternate timeline (begun with the temporal incursion of the E-D into earth's past in the movie "First Contact").

In season 4 of voyager (sorry I forget which episode, was it Raven?), Seven-of-Nine confirms that the events of "First Contact" happened, implying that Voyager is also a contaminated timeline.

So there you have it. It's not "history" as we know it!

It gets weirder and weirder....

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-05-30 02:49pm

The contaminated timelines solution seems to me the most acceptable, because it allows you to keep things like the Hirogen and the Voth without messing up "true" Trek continunity. Considering all the time travel episodes, we're now well away from the timeline that existed at the beginning of TNG.

Grand Moff Yenchin · Post by **Grand Moff Yenchin** » 2003-05-30 02:51pm

How about this: everything post "Generations" is Picard's Nexus Ribbon World........

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