FTL travel

Drach · Post by **Drach** » 2003-05-31 12:47am

What would happen if the Federation got their hands on a hyperdrive and picked it apart to see what made it tick, then installed one in a starship, or vice versa...then enter hyperspace and attempt to go to warp in hyperspace?

Would it be possable? What kind of ludicrous speed would it be capable of if it were?

.5 past light in hyperspace seems to be impressive speed, but what if that were warp 9 in hyperspace?

Yeah yeah, late, tired, off work, you get the picture heh

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-05-31 12:57am

It would be impossible for a ST ship to go to hyperspace. Their ships simply don't have the massive amount of power require to make the jump.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2003-05-31 12:58am

Well without the power generation technology of Star Wars, the Feds won't be able to activate the hyperdrive.

Drach · Post by **Drach** » 2003-05-31 01:07am

If a fighter can generate the power to enter hyperspace I'm sure a warp core can ;p

And I did say vice versa incase you missed heh, which means same goes for the Empire / Rebels, they get their hands on a warp drive etc etc

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-05-31 01:13am

Warp drive is bloody pointless. Slower FTL....why the fuck would either side want it?

And prove your assumptions

A. that because a Fighter has the power generation that a Galaxy Class Starship has the power generation.(Given that Amidala's Yacht has a reactor that produces around 3 billion more GW)

B. That they would even begin to grasp it...just because I give Da Vinci a P-200 doesn't mean he can do squat with it.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2003-05-31 01:24am

Drach wrote:If a fighter can generate the power to enter hyperspace I'm sure a warp core can ;p

The X-Wing generates more power for it's size, and is a lot smaller than Fed ships attempting to make the jump to hyperspace, The only ship that could do it is the Scimitar if it replace radiation with power generation, I think. Maybe not even that.

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2003-05-31 04:34am

anarchistbunny wrote:
Drach wrote:If a fighter can generate the power to enter hyperspace I'm sure a warp core can ;p
The X-Wing generates more power for it's size, and is a lot smaller than Fed ships attempting to make the jump to hyperspace, The only ship that could do it is the Scimitar if it replace radiation with power generation, I think. Maybe not even that.

So a revamped X-Wing can have the radiation cannon thing?!

OMG!!!!

EmperorMing · Post by **EmperorMing** » 2003-05-31 04:54am

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:It would be impossible for a ST ship to go to hyperspace. Their ships simply don't have the massive amount of power require to make the jump.

Or the computing power...

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2003-05-31 05:26am

I'm sure that if you gave a hyperdrive to the Federation, they could eventually do something with it. After a long, long time, of course... none of this "Discovery, research, and implementation in 30 minutes" crap we see in the show.

But warp-inside-hyperspace? Asking that is meaningless. The obvious answer is "We don't know what the hell would happen."

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2003-05-31 08:05am

Warp cores explode often enough under normal conditions.
What do you think would happen?

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2003-05-31 08:46am

I think the whole debate is pointless.

Starfleet lacks at several points, which made hyperdrive travel impossible for them:

-Not enough power. They simply lack the power generation which is needed to even enter hyperspace. Without Star Wras hypermatter or ionization reactors, hyperdrive travel is impossible.

-No time compensation. All Star Wars ships have time compensation devices built in. Because without, even a short hyperjump, which would only last for hours seen from the outside, would last many years for the passangers of the ship. Time compensation syconises hyperdrive ships with the real time. Starfleet can't built such devices.

-Hull stability. Starfleet ships tend to have extremly sensitive hulls, which can only be hold toghether with tricks (structual field). Hyperdrive travel needs hull stability, which Starfleet didn't have.

-Computer power. Imperial computers are much, much better than Fed comps. Starfleet ships could never really find a safe route.

Starfleet could never have Hyperdrive. Live with it.....

HRogge · Post by **HRogge** » 2003-05-31 09:07am

Tribun wrote: -No time compensation. All Star Wars ships have time compensation devices built in. Because without, even a short hyperjump, which would only last for hours seen from the outside, would last many years for the passangers of the ship. Time compensation syconises hyperdrive ships with the real time. Starfleet can't built such devices.

the "time compensators" could be replaced by a stasis field generator...

but the other problem will keep ST from using hyperdrives...

Starfleet could never have Hyperdrive. Live with it.....

Yep.

darthdavid · Post by **darthdavid** » 2003-05-31 07:52pm

He said if. He didn't say they would. He asked what would happen in an imaginary scenario. Holster your flame throwers people.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-05-31 08:39pm

darthdavid wrote:He said if. He didn't say they would. He asked what would happen in an imaginary scenario. Holster your flame throwers people.

You're quite wrong, he specifically asked "Would it be possible?" The answer is no. Simply having an example of a technology wont help if you can't meet its requirements.

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2003-05-31 09:24pm

Sea Skimmer, the OP was asking if it would be possible to go to Warp while in Hyperspace. The answer to THAT is "We have no idea."

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2003-06-01 03:10am

Thiss is a good question. What would happen if you attempted to warp Hyperspace? I'd imagine that it would be nothing good. As seen in a Star Trek TNG episode(forget Name) using a warp drive destablizes space. Since Hyperspace contains much more energy, warping it could cause really bad things to happen!

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-06-01 03:36am

Keep in mind that Hyperspace is just Real Space seen while traveling at superluminal speeds (as per the Canon ICS2).

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-06-01 04:16pm

Also, ST ships are not structurally able to go into hyperspace. Most SW ships have certian hull shaps that enable them to enter hyperspace without being ripped apart by the forces in hyperspace. This sort of resembles areodynamics.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-06-01 04:24pm

Admiral Johnason wrote:Also, ST ships are not structurally able to go into hyperspace. Most SW ships have certian hull shaps that enable them to enter hyperspace without being ripped apart by the forces in hyperspace. This sort of resembles areodynamics.

Actually its the other way around.

ST ships are designed around the requirements of warp theory.

SW hyperjumps just require durable materials and a good design for the accelerations of a hyperjump. It doesn't require a certain shape.

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-06-01 04:32pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Admiral Johnason wrote:Also, ST ships are not structurally able to go into hyperspace. Most SW ships have certian hull shaps that enable them to enter hyperspace without being ripped apart by the forces in hyperspace. This sort of resembles areodynamics.
Actually its the other way around.

ST ships are designed around the requirements of warp theory.

SW hyperjumps just require durable materials and a good design for the accelerations of a hyperjump. It doesn't require a certain shape.

Ohh. Its just that I remember reading that the Falcon was streamlined so that it was sort of extra hyperdynamic (for lack of a better term) in hyperspace. There was also a mentioning of this having to do with the Queen Ama.'s starship in ICS Ep. 2.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-06-01 04:43pm

Admiral Johnason wrote:Ohh. Its just that I remember reading that the Falcon was streamlined so that it was sort of extra hyperdynamic (for lack of a better term) in hyperspace. There was also a mentioning of this having to do with the Queen Ama.'s starship in ICS Ep. 2.

That a unique Falcon thing. It manipulates space-time in order to inflate hyperdrive efficiency.

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-06-01 04:46pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Admiral Johnason wrote:Ohh. Its just that I remember reading that the Falcon was streamlined so that it was sort of extra hyperdynamic (for lack of a better term) in hyperspace. There was also a mentioning of this having to do with the Queen Ama.'s starship in ICS Ep. 2.
That a unique Falcon thing. It manipulates space-time in order to inflate hyperdrive efficiency.

Fasinating.

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2003-06-01 04:49pm

Yes, so Solos superior speed is only some sort of trick...

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-06-01 04:52pm

Tribun wrote:Yes, so Solos superior speed is only some sort of trick...

How can it be a trick if it works?! It is a gadget or a whodinggie.

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2003-06-02 12:17am

What would happen if you attempted to warp Hyperspace?

Nothing, probably. "Warping" realspace is necessary to travel faster than light. In hyperspace, there is no speed limit other than technological limitations... warping hyperspace would be unnecessary.

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