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Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-05-27 01:01am

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Syntax wrote:"Saxton's conclusion is based on NOTHING greater that the evidence presented in the absolute canon film of ROTJ."

The flaw with that statement is, his CONCLUSION is not canon. His evidence may be, but his conclusion is nothing but fan-fiction, unless it is endorsed by LucasFilm Ltd itself. And frankly, it has not been. That is the bottom line.
Some one help me defeat this shit.

And can we see if we can help FTeik join our board?

Ahhh, since LFL hasn't taken a stance on the matter, the DS2 debris was sucked into the Maw, waiting to be spewed out on Endor or sucked into oblivion, pending LFL's decision.

Wait, do you hear that?....BULLSHIT. You take the evidence that is provided and you extrapolate a conclusion.

Although, an interesting insight on the matter. A couple of issues of SWI ago in the "Who's Who in Imperial Grand Admirals" article, it claimed that after the DS2 was destroyed the battle raged on for another three hours. So how could Rebel ships go out and capture debris while they're being shot at by Imperial ships?

I must ask how long do you suppose it would've taken said debris to impact Endor? More than three hours? Less? We could probably determine what's the deal right there.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-05-27 01:05am

Given you can see mass-extinction level impactors falling out of the fireball (the comet/meteor looking things) toward the moon at high speed, I don't see how anyone can deny that the Death Star II's explosion must have made Endor hurt badly.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-05-27 01:10am

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Given you can see mass-extinction level impactors falling out of the fireball (the comet/meteor looking things) toward the moon at high speed, I don't see how anyone can deny that the Death Star II's explosion must have made Endor hurt badly.

There must've been something slowing it down (at the least) because its day time when the DS explodes, and by night the Rebels are still on it. In the novelization at night Leia describes seeing debris in Endor's atmosphere.

And the minimum time between the day and night cycle was somewhere around three hours, if not more.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-05-27 01:42am

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:And the minimum time between the day and night cycle was somewhere around three hours, if not more.

Actually, Saxton hypothesizes this was aggrivated by the actual dust from the vaporized battlestation falling into the atmosphere--darkening the skies.

The mass-extinction impactors could've hit far enough away and the local ones deflected or destroyed--but some of them had to hit, even if it was far from the celebration.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-05-27 02:18pm

Val uses http://www.starwarskids.com/ to claim the key source of SW energy is solar. Esp. on Tatooine.

Genghis is squashing discussion. The Moderator Gestapo stepped-in; figures.

http:// boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=11751774&start=11802422

And get this: basically implying that Syntax is a prick for slandering Saxton and claiming that only their interpretation can be correct, and Saxton's not entitled to his own methodology is offensive on my part.

The moderators agree I should let Syntax make his proclamations and insults. They call THAT a flame war.

What a bunch of fucking idiots.

David · Post by **David** » 2003-05-27 04:12pm

I used to be a regular over there, and I ranted to Mike on more than one occasion about their perverse sense of logic and hatred for any real debating. Everytime they start to loose a debate they dismiss your arguments out of hand. I was asking Mike on and off for about 6 monthes for a board of some kind, and as soon as he set one up I quit posting there. I started back for a brief while so I could get a FanForce started in my area, but I haven't even checked that in a month.

Publius · Post by **Publius** » 2003-05-27 04:26pm

Out of idle curiosity, which name did you used to use?

Publius

David · Post by **David** » 2003-05-27 04:31pm

Just like here, I used alot of different accounts, but I think I started posting long after you stopped. I did have several of the other members asking if I was an admin in disguise though, seems that common sense is only common among the older members and mods.

David · Post by **David** » 2003-05-27 04:33pm

Your username was clerk right?

Kintaro · Post by **Kintaro** » 2003-05-27 04:39pm

I remember one of those idiots complaining that he did not want to use math or science at those boards because he just finished his classes at school. I have no idea why theforce.net would host Dr. Saxton's site, and almost all of the members dismiss it as bullshit.

Publius · Post by **Publius** » 2003-05-27 04:40pm

No, Citizen_Chauvelin. Only posted once or twice.

Publius

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2003-05-31 02:00am

Hey, here's an idea... what if the Rebels captured an ISD or two? They could vaporize the various impactors (rather than just relying on X-Wings to do it, which is what I think we're all assuming)?

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-05-31 02:18am

Home One had more firepower than an ISD.

Mon Cal Cruisers have firepower in the same class as the ISD, albeit less of it.

Even if you vaporize it--matter doesn't go away--it will cool and freeze into soot or dust--which will still raindown into the atmosphere.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2003-05-31 09:08am

Much easier for a theater shield to deal with...

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-05-31 11:54am

Kurgan wrote:Much easier for a theater shield to deal with...

... A luxury they didn't have.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-05-31 01:33pm

Kurgan wrote:Much easier for a theater shield to deal with...

Last I checked, theater shields didn't hold up every piece of microscopic soot that floated down through the atmosphere.

And even if it did--significant ejecta would've landed around the shield.

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2003-05-31 05:31pm

Actually, Saxton hypothesizes this was aggrivated by the actual dust from the vaporized battlestation falling into the atmosphere--darkening the skies.

If that were the case, stars would not have been visible.

Last I checked, theater shields didn't hold up every piece of microscopic soot that floated down through the atmosphere.

I'm still waiting for someone who holds to this "mass extinction" nonsense to explain to me why the Rebel fleet moved between the Death Star and Endor in the moments before its destruction.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-05-31 05:39pm

SPOOFE wrote: I'm still waiting for someone who holds to this "mass extinction" nonsense to explain to me why the Rebel fleet moved between the Death Star and Endor in the moments before its destruction.

They did??

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-05-31 05:40pm

SPOOFE wrote:I'm still waiting for someone who holds to this "mass extinction" nonsense to explain to me why the Rebel fleet moved between the Death Star and Endor in the moments before its destruction.

It didn't. If you really don't believe the theory, then http://www.theforce.net/swtc/holocaust.html

At first I wouldn't believe it, but then I saw it with my own eyes, endless fields of knowledge, where humans are no longer bred, they are grown.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2003-05-31 09:37pm

.. A luxury they didn't have.

I thought it was official?

Or is CS's Endor Holocaust actually canon? ; )*

*It obviously has logic to it, but I never knew it was canon.

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2003-05-31 11:55pm

It didn't.

Sure did. When Wedge flies out of the Death Star, we see the Rebel fleet (or at least a good chunk of it) situated between the DS2 and the moon.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-06-01 11:45am

SPOOFE wrote:
It didn't.
Sure did. When Wedge flies out of the Death Star, we see the Rebel fleet (or at least a good chunk of it) situated between the DS2 and the moon.

Sorry, I thought you ment that it moved there for the specific purpose to block the debris. The rebels knew that when the DS blew, Endor was fucked. But it was a sacrifice they were willing to make to win the war.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-06-01 01:49pm

SPOOFE wrote:I'm still waiting for someone who holds to this "mass extinction" nonsense to explain to me why the Rebel fleet moved between the Death Star and Endor in the moments before its destruction.

I'm still waiting to see why anyone thinks the Rebel fleet (which was tied up fighting Imperial stragglers 3 hours after the Death Star's destruction) could've simply vanished the mass of the Death Star II.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-06-01 02:02pm

Kurgan wrote:
.. A luxury they didn't have.
I thought it was official?

Or is CS's Endor Holocaust actually canon? ; )*

*It obviously has logic to it, but I never knew it was canon.

The Endor holocaust appears to be as certain as the 11-km Executor, the 900 km Death Star II, in other words, indirectly movie canon.

However, except for drastically stretching credability of Dark Apprentice, the theory holds up.

There is a black hole near Endor known as Endor's Gate. According to the lamentable Glove of Darth Vader novel series, Endor's Gate distorts the space around Endor, and often creates random wormholes.

Supposedly the destruction of the Death Star II/the death of Palpatine triggered one of these wormholes which sucked up a lot of the Death Star's debris and spit it out in the Calamari system.

The only way to avoid the holocaust in my opinion is a severely bizarre frankenstein collection of circumstances.

Consider the following:

I. With the destruction of the shield generator and likely the repulsor/tractor holding the Death Star in its low artificial geosynchronous prompted Jerjerrod to fire the Death Star's sublight engines--to raise it into a stable orbit and also to try and reach safe distance from where he could destroy Endor.

II. In its ascent trajectory, the Death Star II explodes. The dark side rage caused by Palpatine's death and the extreme mass-energy in the conflagration that consumes the battle station warps space-time sufficiently to trigger one of the Endor's Gate wormholes. The hole in space and time swollows much of the Death Star's explosion's mass and energy and links up with a spatial distortion in Mon Cal, dumping much of it into interplanetary space. Much of the remaining material is propelled by the Death Star's momentum away from the planet.

III. The Endor base's regional security shield deflects the most massive and dangerous impactors and debris.

IV. The orbiting ejecta is funneled into distant orbits or into one of Endor's lunar cousins, away from Endor and a possible holocaust.

V. The fine and late-falling ejecta the Rebels could not get a rid of causes a mass-extinction event, but not enough to outright destroy the biosphere. The effects of a planet reeling are small enough to go unnoticed by Durron.

In my humble opinion, if you don't buy this, than you must assume the Endor Holocaust happened, and Durron is a delusional freak.

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2003-06-01 05:13pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:In my humble opinion, if you don't buy this, than you must assume the Endor Holocaust happened, and Durron is a delusional freak.

I've never been able to see why this was hard to accept. I'm much more willing to believe that Durron is cah-razee than I am to swallow the intricate series of events necessary otherwise.