Interphasic Torpedoes

[Kitsune]

Setting myself up for this but I figure I will ask anyway.
I have never seen the episode but my understand is that one Interphasic torpedo blew up a borg cube. I am curious why or why not people think it would do the same thing to a star destroyer?

[Ghost Rider]

Mostly because they have shown to go through the Borg shield and impacting on the hull. Plus it was shown it took 2-3 torpedos...they have higher yields perhaps of the normal torpedos...or the Borg hulls are extremely weak.

Just because the Transphasic Torpedo for benefit of doubt goes through the shields of the ISD, does not means it'll anything more then scratch the paint of an ISD.

[YT300000]

As I said in my old thread http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=20932

In FC, a Borg sphere was annihilated by 4 quantum torps. A max of 256 MT could hit the sphere (no shaped charges). Since a sphere is 450 metres across and a cube is 3 km across, the lower limit a cube can take is ~ 1.7066666666 GT. The number is most likely quite a bit higher. That means the absolute min yield of a Transphasic torp is ~ 1.71 GT. Someone else will have to figure out the max yield.

Transphasic torps don't phase out of existence to travel into a ship and destroy it from the inside. In Endgame a torp was perfectly visible, up until it hit and destroyed a cube.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

4 quantum torpedoes would only be 24 megatons (assuming QT are 10x PT)

[Alyeska]

And what are these "Interphasic Torpedoes"?

Transphasic torpedoes work on pure firepower.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Again, that's the non-canon TM QT yield

The SFX yield appears lower.

And enough fragments survived to Earth with viable drones.

[Alyeska]

4 quantum torpedoes would only be 24 megatons (assuming QT are 10x PT)

And just where are these figures comming from?

[SirNitram]

And what are these "Interphasic Torpedoes"?

Transphasic torpedoes work on pure firepower.

Proof? The only signifigant thing observed was that they didn't hit the shields, which we know are frequency based.

[Alyeska]

As I said in my old thread http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=20932

In FC, a Borg sphere was annihilated by 4 quantum torps. A max of 256 MT could hit the sphere (no shaped charges). Since a sphere is 450 metres across and a cube is 3 km across, the lower limit a cube can take is ~ 1.7066666666 GT. The number is most likely quite a bit higher. That means the absolute min yield of a Transphasic torp is ~ 1.71 GT. Someone else will have to figure out the max yield.

Transphasic torps don't phase out of existence to travel into a ship and destroy it from the inside. In Endgame a torp was perfectly visible, up until it hit and destroyed a cube.

You make a couple errors. First, QTs are directed weapons. Second, QTs are listed as 128 MT. So according to your line of reasoning it should be 512 MT to kill an unshielded Sphere.

[Alyeska]

And what are these "Interphasic Torpedoes"?

Transphasic torpedoes work on pure firepower.

Proof? The only signifigant thing observed was that they didn't hit the shields, which we know are frequency based.

How about the fact that it took multiple hits to defeat the Transwarp hub shields?

[Illuminatus Primus]

Transphasic torpedoes work on pure firepower.

Explain.

[SirNitram]

And what are these "Interphasic Torpedoes"?

Transphasic torpedoes work on pure firepower.

Proof? The only signifigant thing observed was that they didn't hit the shields, which we know are frequency based.

How about the fact that it took multiple hits to defeat the Transwarp hub shields?

Then did the Cubes just sit in a Nebula, notice an attack, and not raise shields? Hub shields may be different from normal adaptive shielding, but the only interesting thing about the TT is they didn't interact with the Borg Cube shields.

[Alyeska]

Proof? The only signifigant thing observed was that they didn't hit the shields, which we know are frequency based.

How about the fact that it took multiple hits to defeat the Transwarp hub shields?

Then did the Cubes just sit in a Nebula, notice an attack, and not raise shields? Hub shields may be different from normal adaptive shielding, but the only interesting thing about the TT is they didn't interact with the Borg Cube shields.

Can you actualy give me an example of Borg Cube shielding? We only ever see shots hit the Borg ship and either cause damage or don't. The TTs are powerful enough they smash through shield and armor without any problem.

[Admiral Johnason]

So transphasic torpeadoes use phase shifting tech to pass through the sheilds and armor to strike at the heart of a base or vessel?

[Alyeska]

So transphasic torpeadoes use phase shifting tech to pass through the sheilds and armor to strike at the heart of a base or vessel?

No

[Admiral Johnason]

So transphasic torpeadoes use phase shifting tech to pass through the sheilds and armor to strike at the heart of a base or vessel?

No

Then how do they work?

[Alyeska]

So transphasic torpeadoes use phase shifting tech to pass through the sheilds and armor to strike at the heart of a base or vessel?

No

Then how do they work?

I already explained that. Big fucking warheads.

[Howedar]

Whenever we've seen phasing tech in Trek, it caused the object in question to become invisible. Transphasic torps do not, so it must be concluded that they operate on pure firepower.

[Stravo]

Krenim torpedoes were not invisible when they were used against Voyager and they were out of phase to pass through the shields. The transphasic portion of the torpedo name seesm to indicate to me that the torpedoes bypass shields and directly effect a target.

For instance, why develop ARMOR tech unless the future feds had defeated shield tech with transphasics?

[Alyeska]

Krenim torpedoes were not invisible when they were used against Voyager and they were out of phase to pass through the shields. The transphasic portion of the torpedo name seesm to indicate to me that the torpedoes bypass shields and directly effect a target.

For instance, why develop ARMOR tech unless the future feds had defeated shield tech with transphasics?

Except for the minor point that sufficently strong enough Borg shields stopped the torpedoes... Might as well have the torpedos unphase right in the bridge. These things detonated on contact. There was no phase element.

[YT300000]

4 quantum torpedoes would only be 24 megatons (assuming QT are 10x PT)

I am being generous, using Mike's 128 MT per torpedo max yield.

You make a couple errors. First, QTs are directed weapons. Second, QTs are listed as 128 MT. So according to your line of reasoning it should be 512 MT to kill an unshielded Sphere.

QTs have shaped warheads? If so then double my calcs. The end figure, 3.42 GT min is still quite low.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Since when are QTs directed weapons?

[YT300000]

Since when are QTs directed weapons?

According to Alyeska they are:

You make a couple errors. First, QTs are directed weapons. Second, QTs are listed as 128 MT. So according to your line of reasoning it should be 512 MT to kill an unshielded Sphere.

Emphasis mine.

[Illuminatus Primus]

I know, hence why I asked the question, and hence why I want proof.

[GeeYouEye]

Hate to go into Treknobabble, but it's the only way to explain it. Borg ships have shields that prevent transporters, and nothing else. This as seen in BOBW, where it was necessary to use a shuttle to get onto the ship. All other times, there has been no evidence of shielding. I'm still not convinced torpedos (P, Q, or T) work solely on firepower. See BOBW again. Multiple PT hits did no damage whatsoever. There was just a flash on the hull and the blast disappeared. (Further proof that the flash was on the hull but not the shields: phasers were not stopped by any shields, and while the shuttle encountered shields, it was not stopped.) IOW, the 'frequency' of the weaponry has to do something with the effectiveness of the torpedo. Remember, the Borg adapt to a single phaser frequency after one or two shots. It merely takes more than that to learn the randomization algorithm to predict and then block the next shot.

Thus, the most likely explanation is that the TT's add another variable or two ("phase", anyone?) that the Borg have to adapt to. This, coupled with advances in randomization algorithms and higher firepower are likely what set TT's apart.

Oh, and though I haven't seen the episode in a while, I'm fairly sure that in "Q Who?" regular PT's were seen taking very large chunks out of a cube that was (IIRC, again) much larger than 3 km. Either that or it was the phasers. Eh, whatever. I don't remember why I brought this up now, so ignore it unless it's relevant.