Boarding Action: Andromeda vs. ISD II

[Renewed_Valour1]

Ahh so they don't notice the sticks on the ground where they gernades the weapons fire and the gernade goes boom?

More like Stormie sees stick and throws grenade because he doesn't have a clue what it is. The f-lance detects the incoming fire and launches effectors to intercept it shortly after it leaves his hand. Since your Stormtrooper grenades are a fair degree powerful your friendly Stormtrooper has just vaporized himself and his comrades.

Suuure whatever...
It'll be funny, yet sad to see beatiful Rommie shot in the head.

What an overgrown furball who can take out guys that get beat up by teddybears shoots her? More like Rommie drops Chewie with a well place shot to the skull from a f-lance before he knows what hits him. Or at a range where he can't even shoot back accurately.

Assuming she can remember how to eject waste anti-protons after she's gotten hit with ion cannon fire.

Assuming Star Wars Ion cannon fire even has a chance of getting past her electronic shielding. The much bragged Star Wars jamming that magically burns through and affects their electronics is a joke. If their shielding on their systems were anywhere what it should be you'd cook the pilot first. Furthermore in "Heir to the Empire" the ISD Judicator suffered damage while orbiting a planet from solar radiation. The Judicator took damage the entire time while in the area. Even with we take Mike's statement that it is equal to being in the corona of Sol that makes it pretty pathetic compared to the Andromeda. Compare that to Andromeda who sat in the corona of a star for 49 hours making battle damage repairs while suffering no damage at all.

Also if you had noticed their ship-based weapons are out of the picture so I'd like to see proof of handheld ion cannons.

ZG-Troopers have weapons with enough power to take down X-wings in a shot or two and considering X-Wing shielding.... OUCH thats some fire-power.

Quote please on this fact and how many ZG-Troopers a standard ISD carries. Even then getting hit by the shell the Tweedles fire is going to reduce a ZG-Trooper to mush. If you scaled those gatling gun from the "Widening Gyre" against the Tweedles in "The Prince" you'd get something putting them in the same range as the guns of a WWII battleship or heavy cruiser by my guess.

Not really possible considering the Design of the BIG BAY ISD, You can send it to the one with At-Ats... .

Ung Tae are equipped with a 150 mm mass driver and a direct fire AP cannon. The AP cannon alone if it is anything near that of the fighters would be in the kiloton to megaton level. Well into the range that should be able to take out AT-ATs. Furthermore do we have a single example of the AT-ATs being used inside the hangar to defend against boarding?

[Mr Bean]

I see Valor has never heard of the idea of a *Point man that

More like Stormie sees stick and throws grenade because he doesn't have a clue what it is. The f-lance detects the incoming fire and launches effectors to intercept it shortly after it leaves his hand. Since your Stormtrooper grenades are a fair degree powerful your friendly Stormtrooper has just vaporized himself and his comrades.

And the nice 30 Meter Hole in the Ship? Seriously now your gonna tell me Stormys invading a enemy ship are going to see somthing liying around at thier point of advance and IGNORE IT

Crises sake man if they can build a bomb that can blow up a large building and it fits in the palm of your hand how do you think they would react to a small object laying in thier path?

Assuming Star Wars Ion cannon fire even has a chance of getting past her electronic shielding. The much bragged Star Wars jamming that magically burns through and affects their electronics is a joke. If their shielding on their systems were anywhere what it should be you'd cook the pilot first.

What does this remind me off... Hmmm I know, LASERS CAN'T GO THROUGH NAVIGATIONAL DEFLECTERS!
Think here captian brillant why does nearly every single ship in SW have shielding hmmm? Prehaps to protect them from just that ECOM your refering too Hmmm? Say and while we are on the subject why do you expect the jamming to be harmful to human considering the frequancys and types of trammsions the Imperals usualy jamm are in the subspace and hyperwave ranges which probably are not likely to affect humans(Considering people don't spontatiously drop dead from a massive load of Subspace signals)

Furthermore in "Heir to the Empire" the ISD Judicator suffered damage while orbiting a planet from solar radiation. The Judicator took damage the entire time while in the area. Even with we take Mike's statement that it is equal to being in the corona of Sol that makes it pretty pathetic compared to the Andromeda. Compare that to Andromeda who sat in the corona of a star for 49 hours making battle damage repairs while suffering no damage at all.

No Damage at all? WTF is THIS BULL SHIT HERE! If no damage at all means half the crew nearly Diying from Radiation I guess THATS NO DAMAGE AT ALL CAPTIAN BRILLANT

Quote please on this fact and how many ZG-Troopers a standard ISD carries. Even then getting hit by the shell the Tweedles fire is going to reduce a ZG-Trooper to mush. If you scaled those gatling gun from the "Widening Gyre" against the Tweedles in "The Prince" you'd get something putting them in the same range as the guns of a WWII battleship or heavy cruiser by my guess

On hand there are only 100 ZG troopers howver there(according to old WEG) are 400 Suits on Hand plus parts for said suits

Also need I point out besides the improbabily of the secnarior(HIGH idelised) Stormy Transports are armed with the same weaponry X-Wings and TIE's Carry?(Kilo-ton level damage..)

Ung Tae are equipped with a 150 mm mass driver and a direct fire AP cannon. The AP cannon alone if it is anything near that of the fighters would be in the kiloton to megaton level. Well into the range that should be able to take out AT-ATs. Furthermore do we have a single example of the AT-ATs being used inside the hangar to defend against boarding?

Hmm let me see..... Times in EU where ISD was attacked and attempted to be boarded by Hostile forces through the Hanger bay.....

ZERO
No one ever manages to get past those HTL and if they can they generaly blow the ship up not try and board it

[NecronLord]

It should also be noted they have a frickin Dura-armour bay door. (jedi search; Thanks KJA)

[HemlockGrey]

More like Stormie sees stick and throws grenade because he doesn't have a clue what it is. The f-lance detects the incoming fire and launches effectors to intercept it shortly after it leaves his hand. Since your Stormtrooper grenades are a fair degree powerful your friendly Stormtrooper has just vaporized himself and his comrades.

The rest of the stormies wise up and shoot the damn things. Can an effector intercept a plasma bolt?

Even with we take Mike's statement that it is equal to being in the corona of Sol that makes it pretty pathetic compared to the Andromeda. Compare that to Andromeda who sat in the corona of a star for 49 hours making battle damage repairs while suffering no damage at all

As Bean said, half the crew was dying of radiation.

Quote please on this fact and how many ZG-Troopers a standard ISD carries. Even then getting hit by the shell the Tweedles fire is going to reduce a ZG-Trooper to mush. If you scaled those gatling gun from the "Widening Gyre" against the Tweedles in "The Prince" you'd get something putting them in the same range as the guns of a WWII battleship or heavy cruiser by my guess.

I've never seen the Tweedles go out and fight in space. Could you please name the episode?

Regardless, one good shot should be enough to take the Tweedle down for the count. Stormtrooper transports would also be sufficent to blow them to tiny pieces.

Ung Tae are equipped with a 150 mm mass driver and a direct fire AP cannon. The AP cannon alone if it is anything near that of the fighters would be in the kiloton to megaton level. Well into the range that should be able to take out AT-ATs. Furthermore do we have a single example of the AT-ATs being used inside the hangar to defend against boarding?

How are they going to get past the bay door? The forcefields in the hangar bay?

[Antediluvian]

(You do realize that f-lances are designed like a miniature patriot missile battery? They don't rely on the user to fire at incoming projectiles. Rather they detect the incoming and fire a series of effectors to intercept the projectiles. In automatic intercept mode you can just set a f-lance on the floor and leave it there to intercept targets. Nailing a grenade is going to be a piece of cake compared to a gauss gun round.)

Are you sure about this? I've seen them fired on by gauss gun rounds before, and the force lance didn't automatically intercept them, so they obviously must not always be set in this mode.

And have you ever thought they would shoot every set-up force lance they see and then use grenades? (Effectors can't intercept plasma, after all.)

[Renewed_Valour1]

And the nice 30 Meter Hole in the Ship? Seriously now your gonna tell me Stormys invading a enemy ship are going to see somthing liying around at thier point of advance and IGNORE IT

They ignored an entire tribe of Teddy bears who ended up kicking their butts latter on. They just charged into the boarding action in "ANH" and got shot down by the Rebels. Then they would be slightly distracted small tubes on the floor would be the least of their concerns. The defensive turrets are more than capable of taking a man clear off their feet from kinetic impact. Even if we assume that they won't penetrate the armor they are going to be taking the Stormies.off their feet by sheer KE. On top of that they have to worry about electrocution from whatever Rommie hit Harper with in Angel Dark Demon Bright. Then you have the Lancers and Argosy who will be firing from cover or around corners with f-lances taking the Stormies down. F-lances are going be to especially lethal against Stormtroopers who have no effective personal ECM generators.

Say and while we are on the subject why do you expect the jamming to be harmful to human considering the frequancys and types of trammsions the Imperals usualy jamm are in the subspace and hyperwave ranges which probably are not likely to affect humans(Considering people don't spontatiously drop dead from a massive load of Subspace signals)

Oh maybe because the Warsies like to remind everyone that they have EM sensors and visual sensors. That somehow their "magic and all powerful" ECM manages to interfere with these sensors too. They have to be jamming them to do so and people do have bad reactions to massive amounts of EM signals.

No Damage at all? WTF is THIS BULL SHIT HERE! If no damage at all means half the crew nearly Dying from Radiation I guess THATS NO DAMAGE AT ALL CAPTIAN BRILLANT

Good boy now just keep on deluding yourself! The only one who was affected by the radiation was Harper and his immune system and health sucks as it has been noted several times. You'd notice if you had read it that I said that not one Andromeda's systems had an aversive reaction to the amount of solar radiation you'd encounter in a solar corona. If anything that points to her superior shielding of the Andromeda compared to an ISD.

Also need I point out besides the improbabily of the secnarior(HIGH idelised) Stormy Transports are armed with the same weaponry X-Wings and TIE's Carry?(Kilo-ton level damage..)

I'll open it up to support craft being armed but the Tie fodder would last about 5 minutes against Shrikes and Centaurs.

The rest of the stormies wise up and shoot the damn things. Can an effector intercept a plasma bolt?

No reason why not. Might take a few more than usual or not.

I've never seen the Tweedles go out and fight in space. Could you please name the episode?

The Widening Gyre: They engaged and blasted Magog Swarmships off Rommie's hull.

The Prince: Both Tweedles deployed from the hangar and flew themselves down to the planet.

[Antediluvian]

(I've never seen the Tweedles go out and fight in space. Could you please name the episode?)

I think he's referring to the S2 premiere, where Andromeda sent them out to fire on the swarm ships in her hull.

[Mr Bean]

They ignored an entire tribe of Teddy bears who ended up kicking their butts latter on. They just charged into the boarding action in "ANH" and got shot down by the Rebels.

The Ewoks where shoot on sight even before the Rebels showed up if you ever read the novelisation, They charged into the ship in ANH BECAUSE THATS HOW YOU TAKE PRISONRS. They can't flood the ship with gas or blows holes in it beacuse they need the ship intact and as many memebers of the crew as possible.

Then they would be slightly distracted small tubes on the floor would be the least of their concerns. The

Now your just BSing here, Either they leave the F-Lances behind to slow down Stormys from just lobbing gernades around or you leave em there and station troops there to disctract them

The first way won't work the second mearly results in the Stormy taking some enemys with him when he throws that gernade

Even if we assume that they won't penetrate the armor they are going to be taking the Stormies.off their feet by sheer KE

I went back and dug up a few Epsiodes of AD and first off one can see the Defense turrets are SHIT for accurasy easily disabled and not much in the damage even with that KE(Which knocks people down not sending them flying

Agian Stormys are trained not to give a damn but shoot targets and those defense turrets are pretty damn easy to see.

top of that they have to worry about electrocution from whatever Rommie hit Harper with in Angel Dark Demon Bright.

He has a metal disk in the side of his head connected to mental wires which conect into Rommies power grid and he nearly died from the electricity
So your telling me Stormys will try and take over the ship by *poking there finger in the liight socket?
What next Rommie will give them a stern talking to and they will applosise and go home, because they feel embarshed?

Then you have the Lancers and Argosy who will be firing from cover or around corners with f-lances taking the Stormies down. F-lances are going be to especially lethal against Stormtroopers who have no effective personal ECM generators

Personal ECM.. Hmm personal ECM, I know what about the ISD or the Troop Carriers? Or hell what about the portable jammer, 4KM range fits in a pants pocket, Hell I guess they don't have any personal ECM devices

Oh maybe because the Warsies like to remind everyone that they have EM sensors and visual sensors. That somehow their "magic and all powerful" ECM manages to interfere with these sensors too. They have to be jamming them to do so and people do have bad reactions to massive amounts of EM signals.

If your blocking Radio waves at fifty Mega-watts your going to kill people for two hundred meters... But do Stormys use Radio?...... Hmm maybe not... Maybe just maybe they use that *funky SUBSPACE THINGY. You know Subspace? The thing that does not direclty effect regualar space except a little bit? Or Hyperwaves? Which affects it even less?

Your thinking like this is 1990 and we are talking about F-16s VS Mig 29's both using Radio waves.

CLUE IN ITS NOT, The AD still is stuck using Radio while the Imperals have been using subspace systems for over twenty thousand years!

Good boy now just keep on deluding yourself! The only one who was affected by the radiation was Harper and his immune system and health sucks as it has been noted several times. You'd notice if you had read it that I said that not one Andromeda's systems had an aversive reaction to the amount of solar radiation you'd encounter in a solar corona. If anything that points to her superior shielding of the Andromeda compared to an ISD.

Now this is just pure Bull-shit here, Harper was the one being strongest affected but ALL of them where feeling the effects. Some more than others, Second the fact Harper was getting ANY radition at all is a SERIOUS flaw, Tell me if I put a large brick wall in front of you, you could safly say that I could put a full clip of a .22 Pistol into that wall and you would be perfecty safe on the other side.. However if I droped a stick of Plutionium on the other side you would within a few mintues sicken and die

Know why? Because the Brick Wall while quite able to take fifty years of that Plutionuim you are not. Just because a ships system is able to take the Radation for five thousand years means nothing if the crew drops dead in a week...

Tell me if I exposed the AD to vacume its internal systems would be quiet fine right? How about the crew?......

I'll open it up to support craft being armed but the Tie fodder would last about 5 minutes against Shrikes and Centaurs.

The point is by inculding the bots your changing the senarior, I never mentioned use say that At-Ats Drop pods as attack craft(They inculde cutting tools to flatten the ground under the pod so the At-At has even footing for those first few steps.
Why? Because we are getting outside the orgional topic here. If you want to throw in the Tie and the Shrikes fine but the Shrikes Speed Advantage is quite uselesss when defending a stationary object and it gets off the point, I was just making the point but let not have this degernate into another ISD VS AD fight of which we already have a thread for

No reason why not. Might take a few more than usual or not.

Intercept a Plasma Bolt? Lol thats rich, Whats next Dillian going to be catching them with his bare hands?

Might as well have Rommi in the outfield catching lasers....

[Guest]

They ignored an entire tribe of Teddy bears who ended up kicking their butts latter on. They just charged into the boarding action in "ANH" and got shot down by the Rebels.

The Ewoks where shoot on sight even before the Rebels showed up if you ever read the novelisation, They charged into the ship in ANH BECAUSE THATS HOW YOU TAKE PRISONRS. They can't flood the ship with gas or blows holes in it beacuse they need the ship intact and as many memebers of the crew as possible.[/quote]

Um, heard of CN tear gas, or any other nonlethal gas?

[Renewed_Valour1]

They charged into the ship in ANH BECAUSE THATS HOW YOU TAKE PRISONRS. They can't flood the ship with gas or blows holes in it because they need the ship intact and as many members of the crew as possible. .

That proves Stormtroopers are idiots... Ever heard of flashbangs, nonlethal sonic weapons, or nonlethal gas. Anyone of them would have rendered the Rebels out of the fight without a single loss to the Troopers. The real sad fact is any of them is within range of current technology.

I went back and dug up a few Epsiodes of AD and first off one can see the Defense turrets are SHIT for accurasy easily disabled and not much in the damage even with that KE(Which knocks people down not sending them flying.

The defense turrets have only fired against the crew and if you knew a thing about Andromeda you'd know why they didn't get hit. The crewmembers wear a High Guard personal ECM generator that jams the smart bullets launched by the defensive turrets. On top of that each of their uniforms have an ECM mesh woven into them to further reduce their signature throwing off smart bullets more. Stormtroopers once against have no manned equivalent to an ECM generator and run around in bright white suits for any visual targeted effectors. Once the internal defenses reactivated in "The Widening Gyre" they quickly neutralized the Magog that had bordered the Andromeda. In "Dance of the Mayflies" the turret have a better ratio against the "zombies" than I've ever seen Troopers have.

Again if you bothered to watch Andromeda you'd know the only times the intruder defenses were disabled took Harper to do it or Tyr. One is the chief engineer the other is the senior Fire Control Officer so they have that type of knowledge. In "It's Hour Come Around at Last" they fired back at the defense turrets with gauss and f-lance rounds but none of them were disabled. We've never seen a turret taken out by counter fire.

Still it is more than enough KE with the weight of fire to knock Stormtroopers off their feet. Assuming it doesn't penetrate the armor or hit a joint and take them out.

He has a metal disk in the side of his head connected to mental wires which conect into Rommies power grid and he nearly died from the electricity

*sigh* Watch Andromeda… It would save me time and make you much better at this.
"Angel Dark Demon Bright": Rommie got angry at Harper while he was in the corridor and shot him with a taser bolt that is part of the internal defense system.

Personal ECM.. Hmm personal ECM, I know what about the ISD or the Troop Carriers? Or hell what about the portable jammer, 4KM range fits in a pants pocket, Hell I guess they don't have any personal ECM devices.

Last time I checked an ISD and a troop carrier are not man portable…What does this jammer jam? In order to be effective against High Guard effectors you have to cover nearly everything including the visual spectrum since effectors can seek using visual sensors.

Harper was the one being strongest affected but ALL of them where feeling the effects. Some more than others,

None of the others were being affected by it. Just some like Beka or Tyr were worried about it; however Tyr is always concerned about his insides and neither knew Andromeda's capabilities at the time. However if you notice neither Rommie nor Hunt were concerned about radiation sicknesses to anyone but Harper. Hunt in fact laughed at Beka's concern over radiation sickness. What they were suffering from just before they left was the excess heat buildup onboard the ship because the bucky cables couldn't bleed it all off. If you notice Hunt said he didn't expect it to affect anyone but then Beka mentioned Harper's immune system.

You are missing the point too. In similar conditions a mighty ISD with her shields most likely up suffered damage to her electronic systems. This started to happen shortly after she entered the area. In the same situation Andromeda suffered no damage to her systems after being in the area for 48 hours. I see no reason why Ion cannon would phase Rommie much when Ion cannon fire doesn't even penetrate the shields of an ISD. Yet solar radiation seems to penetrate them and do damage.

Why? Because we are getting outside the orgional topic here. If you want to throw in the Tie and the Shrikes fine but the Shrikes Speed Advantage is quite useless when defending a stationary object and it gets off the point,

Not at all they can use their speed advantage for zoom attacks or to standoff. The Ties could either go for the Andromeda and get blasted away by missiles. Or they could try to close with the Shrikes and Centaurs that could use their speed advantage to either charge through the Ties with AP cannons or fall back firing missiles.

[HemlockGrey]

That proves Stormtroopers are idiots... Ever heard of flashbangs, nonlethal sonic weapons, or nonlethal gas. Anyone of them would have rendered the Rebels out of the fight without a single loss to the Troopers. The real sad fact is any of them is within range of current technology.

It would have taken time. Lord Vader is an extremely impatient person. By the way, the way they did it was to pull the Tantive into the bay, blow the door, and board. As soon as they blow they door, they're under enemy fire. How would they go about gassing the entire ship without blowing the door, or the hatch, or whatever?

As for flashbangs or whatever, the initial engagement was against infantry who Lord Vader had no interest in, so nonlethal methods were not necessary. Vader wanted to take the consulate, Leia, and Captain Antilles into custody; the rest were to be shot. Futhermore, the only scenes we see is a brief bout of fighting the corridor. There may have been flashbang tyoe things used, but we didn't see them.

The defense turrets have only fired against the crew and if you knew a thing about Andromeda you'd know why they didn't get hit. The crewmembers wear a High Guard personal ECM generator that jams the smart bullets launched by the defensive turrets. On top of that each of their uniforms have an ECM mesh woven into them to further reduce their signature throwing off smart bullets more. Stormtroopers once against have no manned equivalent to an ECM generator and run around in bright white suits for any visual targeted effectors. Once the internal defenses reactivated in "The Widening Gyre" they quickly neutralized the Magog that had bordered the Andromeda. In "Dance of the Mayflies" the turret have a better ratio against the "zombies" than I've ever seen Troopers have.

Again if you bothered to watch Andromeda you'd know the only times the intruder defenses were disabled took Harper to do it or Tyr. One is the chief engineer the other is the senior Fire Control Officer so they have that type of knowledge. In "It's Hour Come Around at Last" they fired back at the defense turrets with gauss and f-lance rounds but none of them were disabled. We've never seen a turret taken out by counter fire.

Still it is more than enough KE with the weight of fire to knock Stormtroopers off their feet. Assuming it doesn't penetrate the armor or hit a joint and take them out.

Penetration is unlikely considering the extreme strength of stormtrooper armor. Futhermore, just because Tyr and Dylan haven't shot down a turret doesn't mean it can't be done. There are thousands of stormtroopers; volume of fire alone is going to nail quite a few.

Yeah, an F-lance may be lethal to a stormie, but an E-11 is going to be just as lethal to a Lancer.

*sigh* Watch Andromeda… It would save me time and make you much better at this.
"Angel Dark Demon Bright": Rommie got angry at Harper while he was in the corridor and shot him with a taser bolt that is part of the internal defense system.

Simply overload the system, in that case; use those small handheld ion cannons demonstrated in ANH. Plus, would a taser even affect a stormie?

By the way, the stormtroopers-to-lancer ratio is overwhelming in favor of the stormies. Three or four E-Webs would fill a corridor with so much flying plasma that it's be damn near impossible to dodge, or 'intercept' if effectors are capable of doing that; note that we've only ever seen(or I've only ever seen) them intercept actual physical projects such as bullets or mortars.

Plus, we all know that stormie guns have a tendency to blow chunks out of walls, resulting in such nasty things like smoke and dust. Stormtrooper armor allows them to move about in this unhindered; Lancers would be choking and hacking up three or four lungs.

[Mr Bean]

More for the fire? Fine we shall contiue

First to John

Um, heard of CN tear gas, or any other nonlethal gas?

Ever heard of a Gas mask? For that Matter a Bulk-Head? Notice those doors every ten meters? Each is air-tight and can be sealed by a simple-override, NTM the Reciculation systems are designed for things like that if there is smoke or a harmful substance in the corrider the Air-system kicks on high and draws it out, Making things like tear-gas and the like useful for about.... twenty seconds? Less?

That proves Stormtroopers are idiots... Ever heard of flashbangs, nonlethal sonic weapons, or nonlethal gas. Anyone of them would have rendered the Rebels out of the fight without a single loss to the Troopers. The real sad fact is any of them is within range of current technology

Flash-Bangs.... RYFKM? Did you see the Corridors? And the size between Bulk-head doors... Tell me if you you throw a Flash Bang five feet in front of you what Happens...

Oh yes MY EYE MY EYES THE BURNING AAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGH.. Plus the bleeding from the ears because you just FUCK you ear-drums over... Tell me how useful are Flash-bangs in CBQ?

The defense turrets have only fired against the crew and if you knew a thing about Andromeda you'd know why they didn't get hit. The crewmembers wear a High Guard personal ECM generator that jams the smart bullets launched by the defensive turrets. On top of that each of their uniforms have an ECM mesh woven into them to further reduce their signature throwing off smart bullets more

Ahh whats that... Smells like BULLSHIT

Lets see here... You said

The much bragged Star Wars jamming that magically burns through and affects their electronics is a joke. If their shielding on their systems were anywhere what it should be you'd cook the pilot first.

And now your telling me they can mount an ECM system in the clothes of people that is strong enough to Jam those Smart Bullets and yet does not cook the person...

So how much is it putting out eh? 5 Watts? Is that all the ECM you need to take down the *Smartness of those Smart Bullets?


And second you added a pretty damning statment here

Stormtroopers once against have no manned equivalent to an ECM generator and run around in bright white suits for any visual targeted effectors. Once the internal defenses reactivated in "The Widening Gyre" they quickly neutralized the Magog that had bordered the Andromeda. In "Dance of the Mayflies" the turret have a better ratio against the "zombies" than I've ever seen Troopers have.

So your comparisons are un-armed magog and un-armed Zoombies
Gee your right I don't see any way in the universe those E-11s could be more powerful than bare claws and hands

Again if you bothered to watch Andromeda you'd know the only times the intruder defenses were disabled took Harper to do it or Tyr. One is the chief engineer the other is the senior Fire Control Officer so they have that type of knowledge. In "It's Hour Come Around at Last" they fired back at the defense turrets with gauss and f-lance rounds but none of them were disabled. We've never seen a turret taken out by counter fire.

Which rather is a big knock AGINST F-Lances and Gauss weapons. Hell its like the old Trekky aurgment that HTLs magicly don't work for any gdamn reason they could pull out of thier ass at that point in time

*sigh* Watch Andromeda… It would save me time and make you much better at this.
"Angel Dark Demon Bright": Rommie got angry at Harper while he was in the corridor and shot him with a taser bolt that is part of the internal defense system.

I'm refering to the other times he's been shocked, As for the Taser, Stormy armor is non-conductive we know that one from WEG, the Gloves are not though the E-11 is

Last time I checked an ISD and a troop carrier are not man portable…What does this jammer jam? In order to be effective against High Guard effectors you have to cover nearly everything including the visual spectrum since effectors can seek using visual sensors.

Please for future referance BOTH RESPONDING TO WHAT I WROTE

Or hell what about the portable jammer, 4KM range fits in a pants pocket

Notice you ignored that? WEG inculdes information on temporary(In that case it was thirty seconds due to battry life though it can run for an hour if provided with a sufficent power source) jammer that could block all signals in a 4km reigion though is only temporary

Second since you like getting into ECM so much allow me to ask you does the AD's Hull Magicly stop all ECM? No? Then the Fucking ISD can simply aim its jammers that way, The Troop carriers can do the same except from two feet away or they can use the Portable ones such as the Norghi where carrying when they jumped Leia on Bupfassa when they jumped her the second time.

None of the others were being affected by it. Just some like Beka or Tyr were worried about it; however Tyr is always concerned about his insides and neither knew Andromeda's capabilities at the time. However if you notice neither Rommie nor Hunt were concerned about radiation sicknesses to anyone but Harper. Hunt in fact laughed at Beka's concern over radiation sickness. What they were suffering from just before they left was the excess heat buildup onboard the ship because the bucky cables couldn't bleed it all off. If you notice Hunt said he didn't expect it to affect anyone but then Beka mentioned Harper's immune system.

You just don't get the point do you? Beka is human correct? As is Hunt and Harper, Now if Harper is able to walk around and no die its a fair indication whatever problems his immue system has its not that serious otherwise we would not see Mr Harper out side of a bubble or conatined suit of some kind. Now if he's diying there taking damage it means Hunt and Beka are taking some too, Though Hunt does not seem to think its enough to hurt them. And hell Maybe he's right but the fact remains that Harper and the rest are taking Radition and more than they would normaly meaning that the AD's Ray shielding is not quite up to snuff, If the USace Shuttle can 100% Protect its occpants from Radition up to a certian point and then the crew starts getting full-blasts and dieing but the AD can kill its crew off long before it itself dies to the Rads it speaks well for its construction from a structual and Equipment protect point of view it does NOT speak well for it when it comes to Ray shielding...

You are missing the point too. In similar conditions a mighty ISD with her shields most likely up suffered damage to her electronic systems. Yet solar radiation seems to penetrate them and do damage.

The Might ISD with its hulls particlay cooked because its Hull is ARMOR, Its ment to deal with high Energy events not raditon and such which normaly its shield are quiet sufficent to withstand.
And if you where paying attention in class when you read the book you might see that the EXTERNAL Weaponry and Comm equipment of the ISD by its very nature most poke through the Shielding was baddly burned NOT the ISD itself as witnessed by the fine condition of those TIEs which are behind the hanger bay SHIELDs

I see no reason why Ion cannon would phase Rommie much when Ion cannon fire doesn't even penetrate the shields of an ISD

WTF logic is this?

Translation: Because ISD shields stop Ion Cannon fire I don't see why Roomie would be affected by Ion cannon fire

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So based on the Tecnology of a Ship that can take AT MINIUM ABSOULTE WORST CASE 30,000 Giga-tons of damage where the AD is hulled by less than 100 mega-tons of damange you suddenly get a point about Ion Cannons?


And lastly the worst bit if idiociy

Not at all they can use their speed advantage for zoom attacks or to standoff. The Ties could either go for the Andromeda and get blasted away by missiles. Or they could try to close with the Shrikes and Centaurs that could use their speed advantage to either charge through the Ties with AP cannons or fall back firing missiles.

Two things here you relise they are only 5,000 KMs apart Right?
You know how Fast TIEs can close that distance?
Heres a hint
Pretty damn fast.

Also considering the 450 Mega-tons Shaped Charge Missles the TIE-Bombers can carry thats going to be pretty nasty for the AD

Rememeber why I said we keep the Fighters out of it for a Reason?
Theres a reason

NTM the Lamada shuttles which take 50 Mega-ton hits and laugh

[Renewed_Valour1]

As for flashbangs or whatever, the initial engagement was against infantry who Lord Vader had no interest in, so nonlethal methods were not necessary.

Again it is proven what idiots Stormtroopers are. A simple flashbang tossed in before their mass charge would have rendered the Rebels helpless to return fire. Anyone knows that enemies who are blinded and can't shoot back accurately are much easier to kill than healthy ones.

Penetration is unlikely considering the extreme strength of stormtrooper armor.

Even if we assume they don't penetrate the hits will knock them down. No matter how good your armor is at stopping impact that KE has to go somewhere. Same reason why the rocks the Ewoks tossed knocked STs down. If you';re being knocked around by defensive turrets it would be kind of hard to shoot back at them or deal with Argosy or Lancers shooting back at you.

Yeah, an F-lance may be lethal to a stormie, but an E-11 is going to be just as lethal to a Lancer.

The question is what makes for the more versatile weapon. The f-lance takes it over the E-11 any day of the week.

Plus, would a taser even affect a stormie?

Depends on if their suits are conductive or not.

Three or four E-Webs would fill a corridor with so much flying plasma that it's be damn near impossible to dodge,

Nice that the High Guard uses self propelled smart ordnance.

A few Lancers sit around the corner out of sight and fire cruise grenades around the corner. The cruise grenade seek around the corner and acquire the E-Webs and then home down the corridor. Next things you know the E-Webs are facing the detonations of multiple smart grenades around them. Repeat until the E-Webs are knocked out. If the Stormies try to advance up

en engage them with f-lance fire from the same cover.

Stormtrooper armor allows them to move about in this unhindered; Lancers would be choking and hacking up three or four lungs.

Debatable depending on what type of Lancer armor the Lancers have available to them.

"Banks of the Lethe": Both Hunt and Khalid were wearing some variant of Lancer Armor that had helmets. When Khalid lifts the visor on the helmet you hear a seal breaking. The suit of armor at least seemed to have some sort of filter most likely built into the helmet.

Flash-Bangs.... RYFKM? Did you see the Corridors? And the size between Bulk-head doors... Tell me if you you throw a Flash Bang five feet in front of you what Happens... Oh yes MY EYE MY EYES THE BURNING AAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGH.. Plus the bleeding from the ears because you just FUCK you ear-drums over... Tell me how useful are Flash-bangs in CBQ?

So much for the protection of magical Stormtrooper armor. They can't even add a simple visor and protection from concussion to their armor… If Stormtrooper armor can't protect them from a simple flash bang than cruise grenades are going to wreak havoc on them.

And now your telling me they can mount an ECM system in the clothes of people that is strong enough to Jam those Smart Bullets and yet does not cook the person...

Now considering it is attached to the person and projecting jamming outwards you don't have to worry as much about the ECM affecting the person. In a similar manner the pilot of an F-15 not having to worry about the radar radiating because it is transmitting away from them. Now if you stand in front of the radar you haven't a different problem Smart bullets are fairly tiny so you can't place as much hardening against EM radiation that you can on an entire fighter. Of course it will take a slightly lesser amount of ECM to disrupt them.

Gee your right I don't see any way in the universe those E-11s could be more powerful than bare claws and hands

In fact I rate them higher than that.
They make it to slightly lower than the Teddy Bears wielding rocks and arrows level.

Which rather is a big knock AGINST F-Lances and Gauss weapons. Hell its like the old Trekky aurgment that HTLs magicly don't work for any gdamn reason they could pull out of thier ass at that point in time

No it just proves the defensive turrets are sufficiently armored to protect against multiple direct hits from f-lances. As for the internal defenses not working that would be because both times a knowledgeable senior officer used their knowledge and access to override them.

NTM the Lamada shuttles which take 50 Mega-ton hits and laugh

Countered by Shrikes that carry multiple smart missiles that at the minimum are in the 100 mt range and at the max from damage are between 250 to 500 mts. Each Shrike at low end could put 600 mts into your shuttle in a second.

Two things here you relise they are only 5,000 KMs apart Right? know how Fast TIEs can close that distance? Heres a hint Pretty damn fast.

They would cross that distance very slow compared to DM-5s and OM-5 being fired at them by the Centaurs.

I'll hit on more of the rest when I have a little more time.

PS Why does your text match the background color?

[HemlockGrey]

Again it is proven what idiots Stormtroopers are. A simple flashbang tossed in before their mass charge would have rendered the Rebels helpless to return fire. Anyone knows that enemies who are blinded and can't shoot back accurately are much easier to kill than healthy ones.

When has Dylan or the Lancers used flashbangs, by the way?


And, after they tossed the flashbang, reinforcements would just have moved up and laid down covering fire. Exercise in futility.

Even if we assume they don't penetrate the hits will knock them down. No matter how good your armor is at stopping impact that KE has to go somewhere. Same reason why the rocks the Ewoks tossed knocked STs down. If you';re being knocked around by defensive turrets it would be kind of hard to shoot back at them or deal with Argosy or Lancers shooting back at you.

Until they turrets are blown by massed plasma fire; or overloaded with portable ion cannons.

The question is what makes for the more versatile weapon. The f-lance takes it over the E-11 any day of the week.

Conceeded.

Depends on if their suits are conductive or not.

Mr. Bean answered this - they're not.

Nice that the High Guard uses self propelled smart ordnance.

A few Lancers sit around the corner out of sight and fire cruise grenades around the corner. The cruise grenade seek around the corner and acquire the E-Webs and then home down the corridor. Next things you know the E-Webs are facing the detonations of multiple smart grenades around them. Repeat until the E-Webs are knocked out. If the Stormies try to advance up

Jamming, anyone?

Debatable depending on what type of Lancer armor the Lancers have available to them.

"Banks of the Lethe": Both Hunt and Khalid were wearing some variant of Lancer Armor that had helmets. When Khalid lifts the visor on the helmet you hear a seal breaking. The suit of armor at least seemed to have some sort of filter most likely built into the helmet.

Yes, but is there enough armor for all the Lancers?

So much for the protection of magical Stormtrooper armor. They can't even add a simple visor and protection from concussion to their armor… If Stormtrooper armor can't protect them from a simple flash bang than cruise grenades are going to wreak havoc on them.

First off, Mr. Bean posted that, not I, and I have no idea what why he did. Stormtrooper armor would indeed protect them from flashbangs.

Now considering it is attached to the person and projecting jamming outwards you don't have to worry as much about the ECM affecting the person. In a similar manner the pilot of an F-15 not having to worry about the radar radiating because it is transmitting away from them. Now if you stand in front of the radar you haven't a different problem Smart bullets are fairly tiny so you can't place as much hardening against EM radiation that you can on an entire fighter. Of course it will take a slightly lesser amount of ECM to disrupt them.

The pocket jammer radiates outward as well. Even if it doesn't, wouldn't the Stormie armor protect them from becoming crispy?

In fact I rate them higher than that.
They make it to slightly lower than the Teddy Bears wielding rocks and arrows level.

Irrelevant.

No it just proves the defensive turrets are sufficiently armored to protect against multiple direct hits from f-lances. As for the internal defenses not working that would be because both times a knowledgeable senior officer used their knowledge and access to override them.

Or perhaps Dylan/Tyr didn't actually hit them. Even if they are armored, E-11's blow chunks out of the Death Star corridors. I think they could break that armor.

Countered by Shrikes that carry multiple smart missiles that at the minimum are in the 100 mt range and at the max from damage are between 250 to 500 mts. Each Shrike at low end could put 600 mts into your shuttle in a second.

Before being blown to smithereens by a volley of concussion missles and a cloud of flak fire. Either way, it's irrelevant.

[Mr Bean]

I leave for a moment and I get this crap agian

Even if we assume they don't penetrate the hits will knock them down. No matter how good your armor is at stopping impact that KE has to go somewhere. Same reason why the rocks the Ewoks tossed knocked STs down. If you';re being knocked around by defensive turrets it would be kind of hard to shoot back at them or deal with Argosy or Lancers shooting back at you.

No but it is rather easy for the next ST to walk in while the turrets shooting the downed man and blast the turret now isn't it?

The question is what makes for the more versatile weapon. The f-lance takes it over the E-11 any day of the week.

No thats not the question, Its never been the question. The question at hand is how the AD would fair VS a Imperal Boarding attack or how the Imperals would fair vs the AD's boarding party

Depends on if their suits are conductive or not.

Read above they don't, Stormys can walk through currents that can kill a normal human with ease

Nice that the High Guard uses self propelled smart ordnance.

Smart Gun VS Rocket Launcher who wins in a five meter room?
Answear niether, Besides your Fabled *Smart bullets are confused by ECM small enough to be worn on a suit of clothing that does not say much

Oh and Shielding helps quiet a bit in that regaurd

A few Lancers sit around the corner out of sight and fire cruise grenades around the corner. The cruise grenade seek around the corner and acquire the E-Webs and then home down the corridor. Next things you know the E-Webs are facing the detonations of multiple smart grenades around them. Repeat until the E-Webs are knocked out. If the Stormies try to advance up

E-Webs can take one and a half Quads worth of X-Wing Fire on thier shields, They will be running out of gernades before they take one of the E-Webs shields down

So much for the protection of magical Stormtrooper armor. They can't even add a simple visor and protection from concussion to their armor… If Stormtrooper armor can't protect them from a simple flash bang than cruise grenades are going to wreak havoc on them.

Bull-shit, You apprently don't understand the affects of a Flash-bang do you, No Armor is completly effective aginst anything and a FB will still blind the target even with-out the sonic componet(Which Stormy armor is not perfect aginst simply due to size constraints)

I see you have never used a FB in real-life have you? Let me guess the closet you've come is prehaps Counter-Strike eh? Or maybe one of the Tom Clancy Randbow Games

Even seen American's Wildest Policy Videos? If you happened to catch it they inculd a small segment with Flash-bang mistakes inculding one where a FB when off it a guys pants pocket, Six meters away behind a normal(If kinda cheap) wood door one of the other officers still lost his hearing for a mintue despite the fact he was in full kevelar with headphones a helemet on, six meters of seperation and an inch of wood.....

You underestmate the strenght of Modern day FB because all of the games(The closet you've ever got them) tons them down so much, If a FB goes off within a two meters of an unprotected indivdual they are going to be possible permantly deaf, certanitly blinded for quiet a awhile(Prehaps into hours)

In ANH case the Stormys had less than 10 Meters of Corridor, Four of which they already occupied... Guess the rest here

Now considering it is attached to the person and projecting jamming outwards you don't have to worry as much about the ECM affecting the person. In a similar manner the pilot of an F-15 not having to worry about the radar radiating because it is transmitting away from them.

Ahh but theres a diffrence you quiet failed to note

If it is built into the suit what happens the first time you look down? Scratch your head? Bend over to pick up a peny? Reach behind you?
In all those cases your bending the suit into facing in

Unless they walk hands at sides never looking down an up at any point you can safly say that your comparsion is agian
BULLSHIT

In fact I rate them higher than that.
They make it to slightly lower than the Teddy Bears wielding rocks and arrows level.

If you want to contiue the debate please do but if you want to turn this into another Fuck Star-Wars Debate I won't have any part of it
Clear?

No it just proves the defensive turrets are sufficiently armored to protect against multiple direct hits from f-lances

See cause and effect here

Either F-Lances are patheticly weak and are barley above .22's pistol bullets in power oooor

Defense turrets are so heavly armored they can shurg of absoultly anything and that with less than an inch of armor on them, Infact its about a CM's worth now my only question if thats true is
WHY THE @%@% don't they use it as body armor?

Countered by Shrikes that carry multiple smart missiles that at the minimum are in the 100 mt range and at the max from damage are between 250 to 500 mts. Each Shrike at low end could put 600 mts into your shuttle in a second.

Right and you just pulled these out of your ass?
I'm sorry but when the AD's Missles Clock in at 22 Mega-tons you have some explaining to do....

They would cross that distance very slow compared to DM-5s and OM-5 being fired at them by the Centaurs.

Ahh so they just happen to be waiting for them can magicly lock on without that 2-5 second time we see and hear on the show and happen to be facing the right way
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Tie's do .4 C at full throttle..... C is 300 000KM's a second

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Have you snaped back to reality yet?
AD's main advantage was thier Fighters unlike SW's can fight at that high of C, they slow down to Fight while the AD's fighters can keep that speed
But they both can move pretty damn fast when they need to....


Now if you'd like to countiue in a sensable mannor kindly do so, If you want to get as many Fuck SW comments in here as possible, thats fine by me but I won't be here to read them. Please stop with the Nit-picks and outright Bull-shit before I have to do somthing about it

[Renewed_Valour1]

No but it is rather easy for the next ST to walk in while the turrets shooting the downed man and blast the turret now isn't it?

"Dance of the Mayflies": A single defense turret fires at and knocks over multiple zombies at once. In other episodes we've seen the turrets engage multiple targets at the same time. The advantage of smart ordnance that Andromeda used is the barrel doesn't have to be pointed exactly at you for it to be a hit. You second ST walks in and finds himself knocked down by rounds. Then they get pinned to the deck by AG fields.

No thats not the question, Its never been the question. The question at hand is how the AD would fair VS a Imperal Boarding attack or how the Imperals would fair vs the AD's boarding party

The ability of their two main types of weapons would be relevant to any battle between the two. The f-lance is a force multiplier for the Andromeda in this case.

Smart Gun VS Rocket Launcher who wins in a five meter room?

The smart gun is firing from 20 meters up a corridor with the user out of site around a corner.

In ANH case the Stormys had less than 10 Meters of Corridor, Four of which they already occupied... Guess the rest here

Gee then they could have used a more powerful breaching charge that would have had a similar effect. Or they could have stood back further in their own vessel and throw the flashbangs through the doorway into the corridor. If ST armor is half as good as every Warsie claims it is then they should be able to protect against a Flash Bang at that distance.

E-Webs can take one and a half Quads worth of X-Wing Fire on thier shields, They will be running out of grenades before they take one of the E-Webs shields down

It also takes several minutes to set them up according the official literature. In that time or while they are bringing them up the STs are brought down by a swarm of effectors and cruise grenades.

If it is built into the suit what happens the first time you look down? Scratch your head? Bend over to pick up a peny? Reach behind you? In all those cases your bending the suit into facing in

The ECM mesh and generator could counter that by being smart enough to work around the movement of the person. Along with that the ECM needed to jam a smart bullet isn't going to be as much as you need to jam a fighter or capital ship

If you want to continue the debate please do but if you want to turn this into another Fuck Star-Wars Debate I won't have any part of it Clear?

That was only in reply to your ridicule of Andromeda. If you can't take it then don't start by trying to dish it out.

Either F-Lances are patheticly weak and are barley above .22's pistol bullets in power oooor

We know that f-lances aren't pathetically weak. There is more than enough examples of them showing that they are powerful. With explosive effectors they've been show to have a wide area of effect. Many of the hits from blasters that have only wounded people in the movies would have been killing or limb removing hits from an effector.

Defense turrets are so heavily armored they can shrug of absolutely anything and that with less than an inch of armor on them, Infact its about a CM's worth now my only question if thats true is WHY THE @%@% don't they use it as body armor?

We have no idea how heavily armored the defense turrets are. We've never seen a view of a turret where you could get any idea of the amount of plating. I never said they can take anything that is fired at them but that they have thus far taken everything that has been fired at them. One reason they might not use it for body armor is sheer weight of the material. The other thing for all we know it might be the material that is the armor. We've never seen the armor take a hit from anything or the BDU for that matter. So we have no idea how tough Lancer armor is.

Right and you just pulled these out of your ass? Sorry but when the AD's Missles Clock in at 22 Mega-tons you have some explaining to do....

Again you show your obvious ignorance of Andromeda. You have three main types of missiles that Commonwealth ships are armed with. The DM-5 Defensive Missiles a 1/3 kilogram missile that travels at 60 to 70 PSL putting them in the high kiloton to low megaton range. The next is the OM-5 Offensive missiles better known as the "kinetic missile" that everyone refers to. These are a 1 kg missiles moving at 85 to 95 PSL giving it a yield ranging from 20 mt to 27 mt at top speed.

The third and final type of missiles is the PM-6 smart missile and the variants of that missile. Smart missiles are much larger than the OM-5 and travel at 90 PSL with ranges of about 8 light minutes. Special extended range variants have ranges of out to 24 light minutes. The only PM-6 series smart missiles that we can get a accurate yield range for is the PM-6LII Strategic Star Arrow multiple independent kill vehicle (MIKV) variant. The PM-6LII carries 5 independently targeted kinetic missiles and a few cases they've deployed as many as 6 in the visuals. The missile's purpose is to increase the throw weight of a vessel by saturating the defenses of a ship with kinetic missiles. If you figure 5 20 mt missiles you have yield of 100 mts for your PM-6LII missiles. The other smart missile variants are even more powerful than the PM-6LII. The best educated guesses put them in a range between a low end of 250 mt to 500 mt high end.

The Shrike fighter carriers as standard armament the PM-6 series of missiles.

Ahh so they just happen to be waiting for them can magicly lock on without that 2-5 second time we see and hear on the show and happen to be facing the right way

The Andromeda per "Home Fires" and "Immaculate Perception" launched an entire squadron of Shrikes in a few seconds from the order to launch. At best an ISD might be able to launch her fighter as fast or a little slower. You don't have to be facing towards someone to hit them with a kinetic missiles since they can go for a over the shoulder shot. Andromeda's fighters on the show operate with such a delay because they are being remotely operated from the Andromeda rather than each one having a pilot onboard.

Tie's do .4 C at full throttle..... C is 300 000KM's a second

Shrikes and Centaurs can do 75 PSL when they are at full throttle. They reach that speed much quicker than your standard Tie and maneuver much quicker.

AD's main advantage was thier Fighters unlike SW's can fight at that high of C, they slow down to Fight while the AD's fighters can keep that speed

Andromeda's Shrike and Centaur fighters are faster, more heavily armed, longer-range weapons, accelerate quicker, and more maneuverable. The prime advantage of the TIE is they might be able to take more damage and they have FTL sensors. However either the weapons of the Shrike and Centaur are sufficient to kill a TIE. The FTL sensor issue is less dangerous considering the short ranges that Star Wars fighters fight at. The advantages they gain are negated and more than setoff by those of the Shrike and Centaur.

Thinking about opening the fight up to support craft brings up the fact that the Andromeda can quickly cripple the ISD. The sensor/attack drones can be used to strike critical parts of the ISD. They can launch from the Andromeda and be hitting the ISD within seconds of the other. I think the main target for the Janus drones would be the hangar. Having multiple gigaton plus level drones come crashing through the hangar bay doors and other areas should render that hangar and most of the support craft inoperable. The remainder of the drones would take out the bridge tower along with other critical areas of the ISD. The Shrikes and Centaurs would pick off the remainder of the ISD's support craft. Then they can just knock the ISD part piece by piece until she's softened up for boarding.

[Renewed_Valour1]

When has Dylan or the Lancers used flashbangs, by the way?

They have in a way as another feature of the F-lance.

An Affirming Flame: Dylan used a flash feature in his f-lance that is similar to your flash component of a flash bang. He used it to flash blind Tyr while he escaped and dragged off one of the incapacitated mercenaries.

Other than we've never had an instance where Dylan wanted to take someone alive in an instance where a flash bang would be useful. We see them use some form of more standard grenade against the Nietzscheans in "Una Salus Victus".

And, after they tossed the flashbang, reinforcements would just have moved up and laid down covering fire. Exercise in futility.

Anything that disables your enemy isn't an exercise in futility. It takes time to bring forward more people and it sets them off balance allowing more of your men through that chokepoint.

Jamming, anyone?

ECCM. I also fail to see any indication that Star Wars has manned portable jammers that can counter the visual sensors of the effectors. Stormtroopers are fairly easy to see being the big white targets they are.

Yes, but is there enough armor for all the Lancers?

Mathematics of Tears: The Pax another Glorious Heritage Cruiser landed her entire Lancer regiment and a good portion of the crew in an attempt evacuated a besieged Lancer force. The last few members of the skeleton crew that the Captain took down with him still were suiting up in Lancer armor. It points to the fact that a GHC might carry enough armor for the entire crew to wear.

Then the BDU that Hunt and Tyr wore in Una Salus Victus have insertable armor plates according to the writers

Or perhaps Dylan/Tyr didn't actually hit them.

The visuals clearly showed smart bullets and effectors impacting on the turrets while they continued to return fire.

Before being blown to smithereens by a volley of concussion missles and a cloud of flak fire. Either way, it's irrelevant.

1) Shrikes and Centaurs can easily out accelerate concussion missiles.
2) Flak fire is only available from the ISD.

[Master of Ossus]

Flak fire is not just limited to ISD's. Note the heavy flak fire around Geonosis. There were also, IIRC, flak bursts seen at Hoth.