Super Star Destroyer

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-06-04 02:18pm

Understood, but shouting Yes!, and vigourously pelvic thrusting at the viewscreen at the death of an enemy ship is not the same as partying at the end of an evil empire.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-06-04 02:37pm

Spontaneous release of tension by the crew of home one who were pretty stressed? (going up against a superior ship in a numerically superior fleet orbitning an immensely supeior battle station is very stressful.)

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-06-04 03:13pm

Yes, but they should have felt guilty afterwards, and sent a hallmark card to the deceaseds' dependents.

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2003-06-04 03:56pm

Yes, but they should have felt guilty afterwards, and sent a hallmark card to the deceaseds' dependents.

As much as I have read about that in the EU until now, not even that was the case. (I haven't read very far, because I began to HATE the EU)
As much as I understand, they generalized all Imperials as evil and simply dismissed all the dead as if they were worthless crap. Rebel Personnell still boast themselves how many "Imps" the have slaughtered etc. ..........

So I interpreted it. But of course I could be wrong and totally misinterpreted all of that......

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-06-04 04:01pm

Ahem.

She knew that not all those escape pods were shot accidentally.

Most of the men on the Death Star, after all, had not volunteered to be there.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-06-04 04:14pm

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:Most of the men on the Death Star, after all, had not volunteered to be there.

What the FUCK!?

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-06-04 04:23pm

IMHO they are celebrating surviving a battle with a ship that on paper should have slagged the fleet without breakign a sweat. The Executor was a massive ship. By all means the fleet expected to die engaging it. The death of Executor lead to the posibility that they might survive.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-06-04 04:34pm

It's stupid EU writers thinking the Empire is totally made of conscripts.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-06-04 05:02pm

UGH! Assuming 1% of the population want to join up thats over 10,000,000,000 recruits from coruscant alone.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-06-04 05:28pm

And voluntarily protecting the citizenry from pirates, terrorists, alien threats, and rebel pilots who casually blow away unarmed freighters(in any x-wing game) makes them bad people how exactly?

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2003-06-04 06:30pm

Tribun wrote:
Yes, but they should have felt guilty afterwards, and sent a hallmark card to the deceaseds' dependents.
As much as I have read about that in the EU until now, not even that was the case. (I haven't read very far, because I began to HATE the EU)
As much as I understand, they generalized all Imperials as evil and simply dismissed all the dead as if they were worthless crap. Rebel Personnell still boast themselves how many "Imps" the have slaughtered etc. ..........

So I interpreted it. But of course I could be wrong and totally misinterpreted all of that......

Have you ever met anyone who served in WWII? They talk about how many transports, planes or whatever they killed or shot down all the time sounds pretty normal to me.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2003-06-04 06:34pm

consequences wrote:Yes, but they should have felt guilty afterwards, and sent a hallmark card to the deceaseds' dependents.

Do you have any idea how impractical that is. So you are saying that the bomber crews of the US 8th Air Force should send a card to the wives and children of the factory workers they bombed? In war soldiers will kill each other that just a simple fact of life.

Now can we get this back on topic!

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-06-04 08:29pm

NecronLord wrote:UGH! Assuming 1% of the population want to join up thats over 10,000,000,000 recruits from coruscant alone.

\

Actually, if you put in Saxton's estimates, it'd 6 tillion.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-06-05 02:34am

I was using the ueber low end barrel scraping estimates...

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-06-05 04:39am

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:Ahem.

She knew that not all those escape pods were shot accidentally.

Thats really low, then again it's not like the rebels are perfect flawless beings of righteousness, they have dumb fucking morons and pigfuckers in their ranks too.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-06-05 04:40am

Tribun wrote:
Yes, but they should have felt guilty afterwards, and sent a hallmark card to the deceaseds' dependents.
As much as I have read about that in the EU until now, not even that was the case. (I haven't read very far, because I began to HATE the EU)
As much as I understand, they generalized all Imperials as evil and simply dismissed all the dead as if they were worthless crap. Rebel Personnell still boast themselves how many "Imps" the have slaughtered etc. ..........

So I interpreted it. But of course I could be wrong and totally misinterpreted all of that......

That indeed sucks in the EU novels, so one dimensional and unrealistic.

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2003-06-05 12:32pm

Hello Question is what is the Executor class? Carrier or Battleship.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-06-05 01:08pm

The scrippt extract above refers to it as a Battle ship. I cannot verify the accuracy of that script though.

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2003-06-05 02:07pm

That indeed sucks in the EU novels, so one dimensional and unrealistic.

I always hated the whole Imperial-bashing in the EU too. So I decided to write my own Episode VI, were Vader regains his health and, after the Emperor sentenced whole death squadron to death, managed to defect with the whoule squadron (including the executor) to the rebels.
I will made him give the rebels lecturs about how self-righterous they are, and how they would only be seen as murderers and terrorists, if they would simply blew up the 2nd Death Star.

Regarding the class of the Executor.
I think its a hybrid. A battleship combined with a carrier.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-06-05 03:14pm

I severely doubt the Executor had conscripts aboard. This was the Flagship of the Imperial Fleet when the Empire is at it's peak. It was an honour to serve in her. It is even mentioned in HttE that it was crewed by "a disproportionate(sp?) amount of the most promising line officers".

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-06-05 03:18pm

Personally I don't foresee why a Galactic Civilization would need to resort to Conscription. Even if only 1%, HELL, say .5% of the population volunteered that would be an ENORMOUS militray machine one way or the other. I think its a brainbug related to the Cold War when all the Commmunist dictatorships were conscripting from their populations as the USSR and China does and do.

Soulman · Post by **Soulman** » 2003-06-05 05:16pm

Stravo wrote:Personally I don't foresee why a Galactic Civilization would need to resort to Conscription. Even if only 1%, HELL, say .5% of the population volunteered that would be an ENORMOUS militray machine one way or the other. I think its a brainbug related to the Cold War when all the Commmunist dictatorships were conscripting from their populations as the USSR and China does and do.

Really it would depend on the type and scale of the threats they face. With the SW universe the way it is voluteers are more than enough so they'd be able to pick only the best applicants. In a total war against an extra-universal/galactic power conscription might be required.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-06-05 05:28pm

Not necessarily, battle droids can be built faster than conscripts can be trained, and are less likely to whine when ordered to take on the Rancor with a knife.

vakundok · Post by **vakundok** » 2003-06-05 06:52pm

I do not think it is a carrier. It is too large to carry those small fighters.
Battleship? If battleships are the most powerfull direct combat ships than it is a battleship. But in my opinion it is a baseship.

nightmare · Post by **nightmare** » 2003-06-05 09:37pm

Tribun wrote:
The ship was hovering at very low altitude over something with the surface gravity of earth...
I should formulate it different:

Why the fuck did the repulsorlifts shut down, when the bridge is hit?! It is common Imperial practice, that the machines on starships are as autonomous aus possible. There is no logical explanation for shutdown of the repulsors only because the bridge is hit.
This scene was only in the movie for worshipping the Rebellion. Or, if the movies ARE historical documents of the NR, simple Rebel propaganda.

a) The DS2 has low gravity, conservatively about ten percent of Earth standard, unless you assume the fuel had complex mass - in which the crew would be squashed if the ag fields shot down, plus that Endor would have been orbiting the DS.

b) The ony proof that the Executor-class even has repulsors comes from a comic.

c) You can hear the engines whine higher as the ship accelerates into the dive towards the DS2 - at a far higher speed than gravity could have made it, unless you go with the complex mass assumption.

Conclusion: the novel is wrong, and it was engine misfire. (Which btw gives the Executor a 180 degree turning radius at ~60 seconds. Probably less since it was still accelerating).