what is intelligence?

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-06-02 12:22am

What is intelligence and what makes us as humans capable of doing what we do?

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-06-02 12:24am

Intelligence is the ability to learn and use knowledge. Our brains are what makes us capable of intelligence.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-06-02 12:27am

so an expert system is human? because expert systems can be given information and can apply information, but they cant write sonnets, or carry a conversation.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-06-02 12:28am

But they can't really acquire knowledge; they can only receive what humans give them.

TrailerParkJawa · Post by **TrailerParkJawa** » 2003-06-02 12:30am

Are intelligence and sentience the same thing? Im not sure. Kojin, are you thinking more along the lines of sentience?

I think a basic definition of intelligence is the ability to solve problems or learn from experience.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-06-02 12:30am

but thats not all that makes us intelligent. and then theres the question of how does it apply newly gather knowledge?

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-06-02 12:33am

TrailerParkJawa wrote:Are intelligence and sentience the same thing? Im not sure. Kojin, are you thinking more along the lines of sentience?

I think a basic definition of intelligence is the ability to solve problems or learn from experience.

Both and neither. the ability to gather and use knowledge cant be intelligence, because then ants are intelligent because they can discover and avoid knew poisons, or such.

What makes an animal or a human capable of functioning how we do is the question. How are we INTELLIGENT life, instead of just life.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-06-02 01:02am

kojikun wrote:so an expert system is human? because expert systems can be given information and can apply information, but they cant write sonnets, or carry a conversation.

That's because expert systems have intelligence, but not a whole lot of it. We have more.

UltraViolence83 · Post by **UltraViolence83** » 2003-06-02 01:22am

I define intelligence as your ability to exercise common sense. As a result, I don't think most people are very intelligent at all.

InnerBrat · Post by **InnerBrat** » 2003-06-02 05:40am

Intelligence is an abstarct concept used to cover a whole range of mental abilities, including learning capacity; ability to retrieve stored infromation; numerical aptitude; ability to connect stimuli with stored information; thinking oneself through problems; spatial awareness; pattern recognition; imagination; aesthetic sense; and many more.

It cannot be quantified, and does not correspond to anything tangible.

SyntaxVorlon · Post by **SyntaxVorlon** » 2003-06-02 07:35am

I believe it was Fermat who once said "Statistics is just Common Sense boiled down to Calculus."
And Voltaire who replied, "Common sense is not so common."

Baron Mordo · Post by **Baron Mordo** » 2003-06-02 11:31am

Uh oh. Kojikun's getting Socratic. But I'll take the bait anyway.

We call ourselves intelligent because we've seen the way animals act and react, so we've set ourselves apart from them, because to put ourselves on the level of animals would be to "lower" ourselves. And people don't want to be lower than anybody else.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-06-02 05:15pm

Not Socratic at all, I just need an idea of what goals should be set as I try to write an AI program.

I'm getting big head is what im getting!

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2003-06-02 05:47pm

kojikun wrote:Not Socratic at all, I just need an idea of what goals should be set as I try to write an AI program.

I'm getting big head is what im getting!

To quote the guy from the t2 dvd:

guy from t2 dvd wrote: You never appreciate an idiot until you try to build one from scratch

So see if you can make a flock model, where the dots have to stay x amount away from the other dots, and y amount close to the other dots. I tried to do that in Visual basic and failed miserably.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-06-02 06:34pm

well my biggest issue right now, rye, is the output. i cant make any visuals yet.

but why was the flock model so hard? i can see that as being terribly hard..

meNNis · Post by **meNNis** » 2003-06-03 12:34pm

Knowing what intelligence is, in and of itself makes us intelligent

zombie84 · Post by **zombie84** » 2003-06-03 03:20pm

Intelligence is not a trait exclusive to humans. Like was said before, it is basically the ability to learn and use knowledge. An ant has intelligence. A computer program can have intelligence. The difference between those and humans is the amount of intelligence; we are simply moreintelligent than they. The notion that 'music and the arts are created by humans so therefore we are intelligent and other species are not' is b.s.; artistry is not a measure of intelligence, and they are simply subjective. The arts are just another way to preoccupy our free time; animals play when they are bored, and when humans had lots of time with nothing to do, the arts were born.

Zoink · Post by **Zoink** » 2003-06-03 03:23pm

zombie84 wrote:A computer program can have intelligence.

eg. Artificial Intelligence.

zombie84 · Post by **zombie84** » 2003-06-03 04:03pm

yes, though it is artificially, as opposed to naturally, created, intelligence is still intelligence.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-06-03 06:48pm

on the topic (both) ive started my little OpenAI forum. first post is here:

http://66.176.192.148/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?p=301#301

its on the topic of pattern recognition (inherent, i believe, in intelligence).

Drooling Iguana · Post by **Drooling Iguana** » 2003-06-04 05:11pm

Darth Wong wrote:
kojikun wrote:so an expert system is human? because expert systems can be given information and can apply information, but they cant write sonnets, or carry a conversation.
That's because expert systems have intelligence, but not a whole lot of it. We have more.

Some of us, at least.

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2003-06-04 05:53pm

kojikun wrote:well my biggest issue right now, rye, is the output. i cant make any visuals yet.

but why was the flock model so hard? i can see that as being terribly hard..

Precisely the visuals, i only got very basic visbasic skillz0rs or whatever

i got the dots to move accross the screen, but that was it. I ended up making a username creator, international clock and 3 dice result calculator....

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-06-04 07:52pm

lol. the visuals shouldnt be terribly hard, if youre knowledged in VBasic somewhat.