The ultimate "destiny" of mankind......

BlkbrryTheGreat · Post by **BlkbrryTheGreat** » 2003-06-04 11:25pm

I just sort of realized where this whole oranisms are open systems which require energy+ entropy of the universe is going to lead. Not that hard to figure out really just never really thought about it........ for those who can't put figure it out the ultimate destiny is extinction.

UltraViolence83 · Post by **UltraViolence83** » 2003-06-04 11:52pm

Well, yeah. If the present theories of the end of the universe are correct, there won't be any energy left to sustain life.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-06-05 12:11am

Thats why we leech from the basement universes

Sriad · Post by **Sriad** » 2003-06-05 01:03am

kojikun wrote:The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds given adequate vacuum systems.

I think I can beat that time. Let's work on getting a grant.

Oh, the TOPIC! Right! Well, it depends if the expansion of the universe is really getting faster or not; if it isn't it's possible for intelligent life to exist thinking very VERY slowly- and as the universe continued to expand and cool they would slow down so their energy expendeture would match what they could get, or something. It would take, like, 10^22 years to have a single meaningful thought, but they'd be immortal...

The idea is from Dyson, and I trust him. Personally, I'd rather see us emigrate to/create younger universes, but that may not be possible. The Omega Being plan sounds like it could get really boring after a few google years.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-06-05 01:19am

Sriad wrote:
kojikun wrote:The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds given adequate vacuum systems.
I think I can beat that time. Let's work on getting a grant.

A cookie if you can place the quote.

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2003-06-05 01:34am

for those who can't put figure it out the ultimate destiny is extinction.

Yeah. But it's like kids at recess... just because we're gonna be locked in boring nothingness in a short time, that doesn't mean we shouldn't run around now, screaming our damn fool heads off.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-06-05 01:38am

I think everything will eventually go down with the heat death of the universe.

Unless humanity develops enough to circumvent that.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-06-05 01:40am

Well none of us are going to be around to worry about it. Aside from us being dead, our sun will have burned out long before the universe goes caput.

So why worry.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-06-05 02:00am

thats when we press the reload button.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-06-05 02:03am

Enforcer Talen wrote:thats when we press the reload button.

Who told you this was a virtual world? Who told...I mean, uh never mind.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-06-05 02:05am

heh. that, or, I figure, if we survive 5 billion yrs, we have enough tech to start up a few new galaxies.

SHODAN · Post by **SHODAN** » 2003-06-05 03:29am

Humanity will be long gone before the end of the universe, or even death of Sun, is an issue.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-06-05 03:40am

one can always hope.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2003-06-05 04:39am

Meh, we've got a few trillion years until the BIG DARK.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-06-05 06:16am

Humanity itself has about less than 1000 years before we wipe ourselves out in a big war or some such.

Jaris Merc · Post by **Jaris Merc** » 2003-06-05 07:33am

Thats why I plan to start a Lunar Colony so my followers and I shall take pleasure in watching the destruction of the fools planet wise.....

I allways like to believe that humanity will move on to bigger things like expanding into space and colonizing diff planets.. and building a big military and kicking some alien ass and enslaving them for cheap labour... and ummmmm so on until the galaxy is conquered.... and so on and so on....

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-06-05 07:53am

Sriad wrote:
kojikun wrote:The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds given adequate vacuum systems.
I think I can beat that time. Let's work on getting a grant.

Oh, the TOPIC! Right! Well, it depends if the expansion of the universe is really getting faster or not; if it isn't it's possible for intelligent life to exist thinking very VERY slowly- and as the universe continued to expand and cool they would slow down so their energy expendeture would match what they could get, or something. It would take, like, 10^22 years to have a single meaningful thought, but they'd be immortal...

The idea is from Dyson, and I trust him. Personally, I'd rather see us emigrate to/create younger universes, but that may not be possible. The Omega Being plan sounds like it could get really boring after a few google years.

So we'd all finally see what it feels like to be DarkStar. Interesting.

Given that timeline though, we'd not notice it since we'd be thinking at that speed too.

kojikun: River, Fire Fly.

Zoink · Post by **Zoink** » 2003-06-05 08:49am

Sriad wrote: It would take, like, 10^22 years to have a single meaningful thought, but they'd be immortal...

There was a problem with this solution. As energy levels dropped, they would reach spacetime's minimum temperature. There is evidently a minimum temperature (something like a millionth of a degree or something), which I believe is related to the uncertainty principle. Its impossible for a being to lower its temperature below this point, and would no longer be able to extract energy.

There is an article in Scientific American, written by a guy in long-running discussion with Dyson over this topic. It sounded like Dyson is still alive and kicking, and still trying to solve this problem.

GrandMasterTerwynn · Post by **GrandMasterTerwynn** » 2003-06-05 01:36pm

SHODAN wrote:Humanity will be long gone before the end of the universe, or even death of Sun, is an issue.

Homo Sapiens Sapiens is still very young for a species of hominid. We've been around for less than 200,000 years . . . hardly impressive when compared to the 1,500,000 year long reign of Homo Erectus. Eventually, this species will either vanish completely into extinction, or it will be superseded by some other hominid species which may look and act like H. sapiens sapiens but will be genetically incompatible with us, and completely displace us.

Larz · Post by **Larz** » 2003-06-05 02:40pm

We will all inevitably die, thats the purpose of life, to be and then to end. It happens to all life. Even if we somehow avoid destroying ourselves via war or such, nature has a way of doing away with the old and bringing in the new.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-06-05 02:44pm

Larz wrote:We will all inevitably die, thats the purpose of life, to be and then to end. It happens to all life. Even if we somehow avoid destroying ourselves via war or such, nature has a way of doing away with the old and bringing in the new.

I'd be interested to see what would come after us.

Andrew J. · Post by **Andrew J.** » 2003-06-05 07:46pm

Who cares? I'll be dead by then anyway.

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2003-06-05 08:23pm

BlkbrryTheGreat wrote:I just sort of realized where this whole oranisms are open systems which require energy+ entropy of the universe is going to lead. Not that hard to figure out really just never really thought about it........ for those who can't put figure it out the ultimate destiny is extinction.

The Progressive Dialectic proves that our ultimate destiny is Capitalist Democracy.

The actual extinction of humanity is something unlikely to happen within any span of extremity, considering our mastery of the enviroment, but will rather be dictated by physical laws. These are inevitables, and is simply Fact and can be acknowledged as such--there isn't much for discussion there.

Of course humanity will die out at some point. However, we are only theoretically limited by the universe. Still, our species is finite. There's nothing wrong with that: like an individual human on a vast scale, our species drive is to survive as long as possible, and be as successful as possible in the process.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-06-05 08:36pm

The Progressive Dialectic proves that our ultimate destiny is Capitalist Democracy.

Are you familiar with The End of History by Francis Fukuyama? This is essentially what he argues.

SyntaxVorlon · Post by **SyntaxVorlon** » 2003-06-05 08:49pm

Gandalf wrote:Humanity itself has about less than 1000 years before we wipe ourselves out in a big war or some such.

Well aren't you just a ray of sunshine.

Ducky wrote:
koji wrote:
The Progressive Dialectic proves that our ultimate destiny is Capitalist Democracy.

Are you familiar with The End of History by Francis Fukuyama? This is essentially what he argues.

So we trade around some money, a monopoly buys the presidency, and we all end up working for them, then the sun explodes.

I think what most people have been saying is that human idiocy and greed will more likely create a big enough war to wipe humanity from the starscape.
Like Einstein said:
"I do not know what weapons WWIII will be fought with, but I know WWIV will be fought with sticks and stones."

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