Possible Weakness to the Sun Crusher?

TrekWarsie · Post by **TrekWarsie** » 2003-06-05 03:18pm

I have thought about this for some time. I was wondering if jacketed antimatter could have managed to destroy the Sun Crusher once its shields were down (assuming it has shields). The Sun Crusher is made of matter, so theoretically, it could work. What do you guys think?

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-06-05 03:23pm

I think your a fool. Stop wanking.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2003-06-05 03:42pm

Pounder, shut up. Its a perfectly valid question.

Its going to depend on the exact properties of Quantum-Crystalline armor. As I recall, its execptionally dense (Denser than most other SW armors - which, considering that most conventional SW armor employs at least a small amount of neutronium, says alot.). It also appears to have some impressive energy-handling characteristics (it can shrug off ISD-grade Turbolaser fire, for example.) Whether or not there are additioanl mechanisms tied into its defensive properties is unknown. But if its like any other SW armor, it probably dispereses energy over a much larger sur face area before reradiating it awaay.

That said, barring any sort of ability to prevent antiparticles from interacting with the hull, I dont see why it shouldn't do damage. However, because the armor is extremely dense, I suspect it probabl y won't do much unless you dump ALOT of antimatter into contact with the hull. However, since antimatter would doubtless be considered as a potential thraet to the Sun Crusher, I don't doubt they have some way to mitigate its effects.

Jaris Merc · Post by **Jaris Merc** » 2003-06-05 03:58pm

Why dont ya just put a Heat/whatever emissions the engines have... seeking advanced concussion missle up the engines.. they cant armor those or it wont have the abilitie to move! unless there is somthing about this that i dont know

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-06-05 04:07pm

Darth Pounder wrote:I think your a fool. Stop wanking.

I have to agree with connor, people seem so goddamn over eager to jump on people here, I would just like to point out that I don't think it's our creed to do as such and behaviour such as this definitly smears our reputation.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-06-05 04:20pm

Its definitely a legit tactic unless we get data to the contrary, but we could easily be talking about as much antimatter as is needed to seriously affect. an ISD's shields(more than a thousand tons), maybe more.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-06-05 08:45pm

I think it could be done. However, seeing as the Sun Crusher can withstand multiple supernovas, lots of enemy fire, a glancing hit from the Prototype Death Star's superlaser, and still be intact and fully functional; it would take a hell of a lot of antimatter.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-06-05 08:53pm

Not necesarily, you just need the unknown amount needed to crack it open, not obliterate it utterly, after destroying what little shielding it has.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-06-05 08:54pm

consequences wrote:Not necesarily, you just need the unknown amount needed to crack it open, not obliterate it utterly, after destroying what little shielding it has.

With quantum armour, that would still be a lot of antimatter.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-06-05 09:15pm

No, if you modulate the frequency of the animatter, and reverse the tachyonic flow whil synchronising the Chronaton throughput with the Positronic matrix then clearly negative three grams of antimatter will be sufficient.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-06-05 09:29pm

consequences wrote:No, if you modulate the frequency of the animatter, and reverse the tachyonic flow whil synchronising the Chronaton throughput with the Positronic matrix then clearly negative three grams of antimatter will be sufficient.

You forgot about quantum-refibulating the transmutational boron charge with an internal neurtino surge, which would cause it to redistribute the accuracy of the resulting antimatter detonation to a large margin. Also, using a drawn-reciprocating-dingle-arm-with-soinsoidal-repleneration-mounted-on-a-base-plate-of-preframulated-amulite to intitalize a phased re-coherence beam projected by a suitable device of appropriate magnitude.

Or something like that.

omegaLancer · Post by **omegaLancer** » 2003-06-05 09:31pm

Antimatter may be a weakness the problem is what kind of antiparticles.
As in the Case of ISD or other capital ship there hull are cladded in Nuetronium so in this case anti neutrons would only be effective.

But if the Sun crusher armour is something more exotic, like Strange matter
( some believe that at the core of nuetron star, such matter is created) or even a Quark ball ( another possible creation of nuetron stars) then you would need matching form of antimatter..

Normal anti hydrogen like the fuel of Federation starship and load of photon torpedoes would be uneffective against either a normal star destroyer or even the Sun Crusher...

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-06-05 09:33pm

YT300000 wrote:
consequences wrote:No, if you modulate the frequency of the animatter, and reverse the tachyonic flow whil synchronising the Chronaton throughput with the Positronic matrix then clearly negative three grams of antimatter will be sufficient.
You forgot about quantum-refibulating the transmutational boron charge with an internal neurtino surge, which would cause it to redistribute the accuracy of the resulting antimatter detonation to a large margin. Also, using a drawn-reciprocating-dingle-arm-with-soinsoidal-repleneration-mounted-on-a-base-plate-of-preframulated-amulite to intitalize a phased re-coherence beam projected by a suitable device of appropriate magnitude.

Or something like that.

Doh! I forgot to put isolinear in there!

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2003-06-06 12:11am

Why don't you just use ion cannons? The armor may be invincible for all intents and purposes, but it's still conductive (it has to be, in order to shrug off turbolaser shots).

Antimatter should work in theory, but there's the matter of actually hitting the Sun Crusher. IIRC, the ship is very maneuverable.

Jaris, why would armoring the engines keep the Sun Crusher form moving?

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-06-06 12:16am

Darth Yoshi wrote:Why don't you just use ion cannons? The armor may be invincible for all intents and purposes, but it's still conductive (it has to be, in order to shrug off turbolaser shots).

I dunno, maybe the super-delicate instruments of the Sun Crusher would cause it to go kaboom if there was a sudden power loss? Or quantom crystalline has some special anti-ion cannon function bulit in we never heard about.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2003-06-06 12:54am

Delicate? Explosions? The Sun Crusher isn't a Fed ship.

If being resistant to ion blasts is a characteristic of the armor, it should have been mentioned as part of the uberness of the armor. Anyway, you're just speculating wildly here.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2003-06-06 03:07am

Maybe an uber-isotricobolt charge would do it?

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2003-06-06 07:44am

Anti-matter should work on the Suncrusher. You just need the right type of Antimatter.

Sticking to current understanding of physics (please, no more Technobabble jokes), that means to annilate a proton, you use an anti-proton, etc.

You'd have to find out what the Sun crusher's armor is made up of first.

However, it does have other vulnerablities
Like locking on a powerful tractor beam comes to mind.
Provided the area around the engines and full tanks wasn't armored (if you have trouble imagining, imagine the engine is hooked on like a backpack or something), then a luck shot down its engines could disable it.

(And you thought 'hitting' a 2 meter exhaust port on the Death Star was a problem, try that on a Starfighters little engines)

Ion Cannons MIGHT work. I guess it would depend on if we saw Ion Cannon fire when Daala tried to disable it. If we didn't, I'd have to saw Ion Cannons would have no affect. Daala would have been watching the Sun Crusher development closely, and would probably know if Ion Cannons worked on it. If they wouldn't work, no point in using them.

Of course, in the new Jedi Order novels, they do have a weapon that can destroy the Sun Crusher...

Put a Dovin Basal generated Black Hole in front of it, and watch the Sun crusher get crushed into oblivion
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omegaLancer · Post by **omegaLancer** » 2003-06-06 10:03am

Ion cannons would most likely be as useless as normal anti matter.

If Ion cannon is akin to a FEMTOSECOND LASER, which creates powerful magnetic fields by knocking electrons ( in some case proton out of nucleus) out of the orbit, then Quantum armor may not have any particles that can be ejected or the particles are so tightly bound together that ion cannon energy would not powerful enought to perform the task.

True the armor would be conductive, actually superconductive like neutronium, but any electrons would flow alone the outer surface of the armor and the particles of armor would just reflect any electromagnetic energy like a mirror.

not even X or gamma rays would be able to penetrate the armor ( this is the case of Neutronium in neutron star) and seeing the level of energy that the armor can handle an ion cannon would have to be many order of magnitude more powerful than the heavy Turbolaser to have any effect.

The only way to destroy the Sun crusher ( other than a blackhole) would to find a denser substance. Since Quantum armor is denser than Neutronium use in SW ships hulls that could be a problem...

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-06-06 10:13am

It should work with the right form of anti matter. But the armor of the Crusher is extremely dense, so you’d need to hit it with a damn lot to eat a hole though. I doubt the actual explosions from the annihilations would do much of anything too it. Hard part is keeping it around long enough to do this.

Another weak spot might be the windows, though they may be pretty with equally uber material

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-06-06 11:12am

Windows? who the hell put windows on it? And it has laser cannons for some rerason, that's a pathway for an Ion blast to potentially screw up the internal circuitry.

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2003-06-06 11:24am

consequences wrote:Windows? who the hell put windows on it? And it has laser cannons for some rerason, that's a pathway for an Ion blast to potentially screw up the internal circuitry.

The laser cannons got blown off by the assault from Daala's ISDs, since they weren't armored. I think they could have separate power sources so as not to compromise the integrity of the armor, meaning that the only things hardlinking them to the inside would be control data cables. And it would be dreadfully easy to put fuses on those.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2003-06-06 11:37am

consequences wrote:No, if you modulate the frequency of the animatter, and reverse the tachyonic flow whil synchronising the Chronaton throughput with the Positronic matrix then clearly negative three grams of antimatter will be sufficient.

"And I said bounce a graviton particle beam off the main deflector dish,
thats the way we do things lad, were making shit up as we wish."

I love that song.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2003-06-07 04:29pm

consequences wrote:Windows? who the hell put windows on it? And it has laser cannons for some rerason, that's a pathway for an Ion blast to potentially screw up the internal circuitry.

He means the canopy. You do need to see to manuever, right?

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-06-08 02:06am

Prehaps if you could find anti-quantom crystilline (it should exist in theory) then I don't see why not. Of course, it would take a while to find that certain type of antimatter.

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Possible Weakness to the Sun Crusher?

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