Which galaxy has superior scientific research equipment and personel?
Of course the SW side would have a great advantage cuz of the FTL, but in these situations which galaxy fares better:
NOTE: SW will use their equivalent of ST sci-tech
ST can be any type of scientist, Borg, Romulan, Fed, etc.
Situation A: emerging in a totally new star system, no need for FTL, scientist explore the whole place (with sci starships and other crap of similar scale)
Situation B: exploring a whole planet (with space ships and other crap)
Situation C: A bunch of scientist exploring a jungle (a bunch of scientist with portable equipment)
Situation D: A treasure hunt, find the buried treasure box (scientists w/ portable equipment)
Who wins?
SW vs. ST: Exploration
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Well, The Empire will probably destroy/take over any star system/planet they get too, so i say Star Trek.
I'll do a more serious comment later when i am recharged.
I'll do a more serious comment later when i am recharged.
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Neelix: These people dont appreciate what they have! This ship is the match of anything in a hundred lightyears, yet what do they do with it?
(fake voice) Oh, well lets go find some space anomaly today that'll rip it apart!
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Neelix: These people dont appreciate what they have! This ship is the match of anything in a hundred lightyears, yet what do they do with it?
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*hands Energizer battery*TurboPhaser wrote:Well, The Empire will probably destroy/take over any star system/planet they get too, so i say Star Trek.
I'll do a more serious comment later when i am recharged.
You seem to be a smart member with profound opinions, care to explain your side of the arguement? Recharge faster!!!
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Hm...Can't think enough to comment on A and B, but SW wins on C and D since Trek's idea of exploring in those contexts is to wander around with a tricorder.
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Reason: They appear to be equal in the TNG era.
Logical Backing for this stance:
The Empire was busy expanding after Palpatine came to power (wouldn't you?)
Therefore the needed sensor equipment and probably had it or developed it.
Evidence
On screen:
Star Wars 4: The Death Star detected little tiny fighters coming from the other side of the planet
The Death Star picked up the falcon dispite the Graveyard of Alderaan
Star Wars 5: The Imperial fleet detected the rebel energy shield from the edge of the system, or at least from out of orbit.
Dispite that energy shield, they managed to detect rebel ships trying to leave
The Rebel ion cannon could hit an orbiting space craft with enough accuracry to hit the bridge area
They were able to track the Falcon in the asteroid field until they hide (they intercepted them on the way out of the field really quick)
Luke was able to detect lifeforms and approximate numbers in his small fighter from orbit around Dagobah
There appears to be evidence Cloud City floats around bespin (really superficial). If this is the case, the Falcon had to find a little station in the middle of the atmosphere of a Gas Giant probably the size of Neptune, possibly Jupiter sized or larger
Star Wars 6:
They were using Artoo to scan for leia on Endor's surface, despite the really big tree's. Artoo is apparently able to scan for specific species and filter out the sensor information of other ones. (Explains why he didn't pick up the Ewoks, he was too busy ignoring them)
Hand of Thrawn Trilogy
On approach to Wayland (they didn't have a lot of time to do this safely) han feed in some basic information about the Mount Tantis site, and the Falcon found it
Artoo was able to scan 20 meters or so through Waylands forest, but was inhibits by the metalic content of the tree's (feasible). He was also able to say if there was anything alive, and possibly what (implied only) was in the area.
Jedi Academy Trilogy
Near the end, the guy with the mechanical eye (Droole I think) was using a portable unit to scan into the planets surface to detect the big crystal-like energy eating spice laying spiders
Most of this stuff has been shown in Star Trek. The difference's between them appear to be environmental.
Reason: They appear to be equal in the TNG era.
Logical Backing for this stance:
The Empire was busy expanding after Palpatine came to power (wouldn't you?)
Therefore the needed sensor equipment and probably had it or developed it.
Evidence
On screen:
Star Wars 4: The Death Star detected little tiny fighters coming from the other side of the planet
The Death Star picked up the falcon dispite the Graveyard of Alderaan
Star Wars 5: The Imperial fleet detected the rebel energy shield from the edge of the system, or at least from out of orbit.
Dispite that energy shield, they managed to detect rebel ships trying to leave
The Rebel ion cannon could hit an orbiting space craft with enough accuracry to hit the bridge area
They were able to track the Falcon in the asteroid field until they hide (they intercepted them on the way out of the field really quick)
Luke was able to detect lifeforms and approximate numbers in his small fighter from orbit around Dagobah
There appears to be evidence Cloud City floats around bespin (really superficial). If this is the case, the Falcon had to find a little station in the middle of the atmosphere of a Gas Giant probably the size of Neptune, possibly Jupiter sized or larger
Star Wars 6:
They were using Artoo to scan for leia on Endor's surface, despite the really big tree's. Artoo is apparently able to scan for specific species and filter out the sensor information of other ones. (Explains why he didn't pick up the Ewoks, he was too busy ignoring them)
Hand of Thrawn Trilogy
On approach to Wayland (they didn't have a lot of time to do this safely) han feed in some basic information about the Mount Tantis site, and the Falcon found it
Artoo was able to scan 20 meters or so through Waylands forest, but was inhibits by the metalic content of the tree's (feasible). He was also able to say if there was anything alive, and possibly what (implied only) was in the area.
Jedi Academy Trilogy
Near the end, the guy with the mechanical eye (Droole I think) was using a portable unit to scan into the planets surface to detect the big crystal-like energy eating spice laying spiders
Most of this stuff has been shown in Star Trek. The difference's between them appear to be environmental.
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Re: SW vs. ST: Exploration
SW wins this one easily. A jungle is a dangerous place. SW teams actually send GUARDS along with R&D teams. Compare this to the events of "Shades of Gray"Shroom Man 777 wrote:Situation C: A bunch of scientist exploring a jungle (a bunch of scientist with portable equipment)
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That is the reason we don't hear much of wars exploration, not that they are uninterested in acquiring knowlage, only that they've almost completely explored their three galaxies.
That is the reason we don't hear much of wars exploration, not that they are uninterested in acquiring knowlage, only that they've almost completely explored their three galaxies.
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The star system one goes to Wars. I'm sorry, an ISD's effective sensor range of 100LY, it can explore it's system and every one nearby!
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Re: SW vs. ST: Exploration
Again the ship can make use of their prode droids to blanket the planet fairly quickly.Shroom Man 777 wrote:Which galaxy has superior scientific research equipment and personel?
Of course the SW side would have a great advantage cuz of the FTL, but in these situations which galaxy fares better:
NOTE: SW will use their equivalent of ST sci-tech
ST can be any type of scientist, Borg, Romulan, Fed, etc.
Situation A: emerging in a totally new star system, no need for FTL, scientist explore the whole place (with sci starships and other crap of similar scale)
The Imps take this one without even leaving their ship. They launch a dozen probe droids and sit back and wait.
Situation B: exploring a whole planet (with space ships and other crap)
The Imperials would add some probe droids and Stormtroopers to the group and they will make use of speeder bikles to quickly survey the jungle and to carry samples. The Star trek guys would only have shuttlecraft to use and the trees would make them useless.Situation C: A bunch of scientist exploring a jungle (a bunch of scientist with portable equipment)
The Imperials use of probe droids and armed survey squads would find and then keep the treasure from the Star Trek team.Situation D: A treasure hunt, find the buried treasure box (scientists w/ portable equipment)
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A lot of that falls under the heading of "vastly different FTL speeds", which was mentioned as being ignored for this poll. It just takes Star Trek warp drives too long to get places.Admiral Drason wrote:The Star Wars Galaxy has mapped the galaxy thousands of years ago while the Federation is still trying pittifully.
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I agree.Dalton wrote:Hm...Can't think enough to comment on A and B, but SW wins on C and D since Trek's idea of exploring in those contexts is to wander around with a tricorder.
For situations A and B, all Star Wars needs is a few orbital scans. A single MRX-BR Pacifier (a small scout craft the size of the Millenium Falcon) can easily count the number of leaves on a certain tree from orbit! It can do this operation on ~ 1000 trees in 2 seconds!
In HttE, the blastboat chase was detected by a star destroyer, despite the fact that the Skiprays were a few metres above the treeline (remember, the forest had some weird metal jamming the scans).
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West End Games RPG, which does count as EU. The sensors and comm interceptors have a range of 100LY, and, frighteningly enough, can also scan all of subspace in about three hours.CaptJodan wrote:I'm not disputing, but is there EU or cannon evidence to support this?SirNitram wrote:The star system one goes to Wars. I'm sorry, an ISD's effective sensor range of 100LY, it can explore it's system and every one nearby!
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Thanks for the source.SirNitram wrote:West End Games RPG, which does count as EU. The sensors and comm interceptors have a range of 100LY, and, frighteningly enough, can also scan all of subspace in about three hours.CaptJodan wrote:I'm not disputing, but is there EU or cannon evidence to support this?SirNitram wrote:The star system one goes to Wars. I'm sorry, an ISD's effective sensor range of 100LY, it can explore it's system and every one nearby!