I heard this from a guy who visited India, Is it true?

FaxModem1 · Post by **FaxModem1** » 2003-06-06 11:04pm

I met a guy who told me that he visited India while in the Air Force and while on leave, he visited some city, he didn't say the name, but that on the street, there were people, of all ages and races, locked in cages to be sold for sex. This shocked me, and i have to ask those who know, is this true?

I also heard that they have doctors in India called cripplers, who will cripple a part of oyur body so that you will be able to beg and earn more money that way. Does anybody know if this is true?

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-06-06 11:10pm

Neither would surprise me, especially the latter.

FaxModem1 · Post by **FaxModem1** » 2003-06-06 11:15pm

How can anyone lock people in cages, it seems so wrong. I could never do that.

How did they aquire these people I wonder, did they capture tourists?

Ypoknons · Post by **Ypoknons** » 2003-06-06 11:28pm

FaxModem1 wrote:I also heard that they have doctors in India called cripplers, who will cripple a part of oyur body so that you will be able to beg and earn more money that way. Does anybody know if this is true?

I've heard similar rumours in China, sometimes more brutal. I don't think India would be that different.

FaxModem1 · Post by **FaxModem1** » 2003-06-06 11:34pm

How and why does this happen?

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2003-06-07 12:16am

It's a well-known fact that there is an international trade in sex slaves. Canadians are worth quite a lot of money in Mexico, for example, though their end-destination is probably further south. Thailand has a problem with young women being lured in with jobs modeling and then being sold to Japan for use by various wealthy persons as either servants or outright sexual slaves. Saudi Arabia is also a large importer of slaves, and though it outlawed slavery in the 1960s, there is no evidence that slaves still being kept then were freed, and much that the importatation of high-value slaves continues. Most of this is swept under the table, just like the KSA's funding of terrorism.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-06-07 12:18am

Canadians, huh...so what, are they captured, or just damn poor?

EmperorChrostas the Cruel · Post by **EmperorChrostas the Cruel** » 2003-06-07 12:18am

The true question is, why doesn't it happen more often. What values, laws and custom do we have that they lack. When you answer that question, you will have the other answer.You will also have many other answers.

Post by **weemadando** » 2003-06-07 12:20am

Like I've said before, slavery is a bigger industry now than it has ever been in the past. People just refuse to see it or admit it.

The Mexican illegal immigrant working as a maid is a slave. So is the Thai girl who's been abducted and sold on. Its widespread and we see it every day.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-06-07 12:22am

The Mexican illegal immigrant working as a maid is a slave.

Immigrants who come to America of their own free will are not slaves.

EmperorChrostas the Cruel · Post by **EmperorChrostas the Cruel** » 2003-06-07 12:24am

Civilized people have gotten so civilized, they think it is the natural state of humanity. Good people very often deny the exsistence of evil, much less how close to home it is. In my very brief time in prison, I met people that would make some people wet themselves in fear. The measure of the depth of cruelty and sadism mankind has is only matched it's mirror, the compassion and generosity in others.

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2003-06-07 12:24am

Durran Korr wrote:Canadians, huh...so what, are they captured, or just damn poor?

Kidnapped. People who are kidnapped in places like Mexico and aren't found - They are sometimes not murder victims.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-06-07 12:25am

Scary stuff. Depressing.

EmperorChrostas the Cruel · Post by **EmperorChrostas the Cruel** » 2003-06-07 12:25am

PS: Weeman, slaves CAN'T quit. Dipshit.

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2003-06-07 12:28am

Durran Korr wrote:
Immigrants who come to America of their own free will are not slaves.

Well, there is the argument that the employer could set the conditions for an illegal by threatening to turn them in. However, there are now so many illegals in-country that a subculture exists, allowing them a measure of power against such actions. Furthermore, the worst that can be done to them is deportation, even under the above postulate.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-06-07 12:32am

That still doesn't alter the fact that the immigrant is free to move as he or she wishes. Slaves are essentially human capital; i.e., they can be made to do things that free labor can't possibly be paid enough to do. They own neither their life nor any significant product of their labor. They are usually considered the property of an individual/household. They have no rights of movement. Illegal immigrants don't exactly fit this description.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-06-07 12:33am

Kidnapped. People who are kidnapped in places like Mexico and aren't found - They are sometimes not murder victims.

That's fucking scary. Remind me never to go to any sort of third-world hellhole unless I'm in the military.

Post by **weemadando** » 2003-06-07 01:18am

Durran Korr wrote:
The Mexican illegal immigrant working as a maid is a slave.
Immigrants who come to America of their own free will are not slaves.

Some people in Roman times voluntarily sold themselves into slavery.

A slave is a person or worker who does not have the full legal rights that would be otherwise available to them. A slave can also be someone who lacks a means of recourse against their employer.

Matter of fact, in Roman times slaves generally had a far better rights and a higher standard of living than your average first world citizen today.

[quote+"Chrostas the Cock-grabbing monkey"]PS: Weeman, slaves CAN'T quit. Dipshit.[/quote]

Well shit, I guess that would make them slaves.

What happens when the illegal immigrant quites their job? Can they go on the job market again and sit down and have an interview and a nice chat with their new boss, give over their Social Security No.s etc and get down to work in their nice new 9-5 job? No. They have to go underground again and hope that they don't get caught by the authorities, that is if their previous "owner" doesn't dob them in when they try to leave. They lack a means of recourse, therefore they are slaves - Hell, they are most definately slaves, under Greek (Athenian and later) and Roman law slaves had a means of recourse.

EmperorChrostas the Cruel · Post by **EmperorChrostas the Cruel** » 2003-06-07 01:49am

When the illegal imigrant quits their job, the get an other job, dipshit.
The same fucking way they got the FIRST job!
Lie about thier status, or use fake ID.
You are realy talking stupid right now.
But this is consistant with your previous posts after being insulted.
Does anger lower your IQ?

EmperorChrostas the Cruel · Post by **EmperorChrostas the Cruel** » 2003-06-07 01:54am

The illegal status cuts both ways you know, the illegal can burn down your house, and dissapear.
They are ALREADY living "underground," as they may not LEAGALY work in the USA.
Most people that would hire an illeagal will just shrug, and hire an other illeagal.There are no shortages of people on both sides willing to skirt the law, for personal profit.

Post by **weemadando** » 2003-06-07 02:02am

Emperor Chrostas the Crue wrote:The illegal status cuts both ways you know, the illegal can burn down your house, and dissapear.
They are ALREADY living "underground," as they may not LEAGALY work in the USA.
Most people that would hire an illeagal will just shrug, and hire an other illeagal.There are no shortages of people on both sides willing to skirt the law, for personal profit.

And hence, Mr Cock-monkey, slavery.

EmperorChrostas the Cruel · Post by **EmperorChrostas the Cruel** » 2003-06-07 02:05am

The illeagal alien has the same civil rights as a citizen. Go punch one in from of a cop, and see what happens. Better yet, get sued by one, and see how this "they don't have the same rights" goes over in court.The only right they don't have is to STAY HERE.

Now, the illeagal, being, by definition a criminal, might not WANT to go to the cops, but EVERY fugative is in the same bind, no matter what their race is.

Worst case scenarior, they get shipped back home, for an other turn at the wheel. Find an other coyote, sneak in again, get a different identity.
Compare this with being LEGALY beaten to death, at your masters whim.

EmperorChrostas the Cruel · Post by **EmperorChrostas the Cruel** » 2003-06-07 02:09am

HMMMM. Living underground, as a result of criminal activity.
Being a slave.
Yup, they is the same.

You must be one of those fools that thinks having to work for someone is slavery. If so, almost EVERYONE is a slave.
I call it normal conditions of exsistence. No workie, no eatie.

Post by **weemadando** » 2003-06-07 02:09am

Emperor Chrostas the Crue wrote: Compare this with being LEGALY beaten to death, at your masters whim.

Where does this example take place?

I could accuse you of a strawman argument pre-emptively and probably will have to. I might even throw a black-white fallacy accusation into the mix for fun.

There are many kinds of slavery and its fucking common today. Get over it.

EmperorChrostas the Cruel · Post by **EmperorChrostas the Cruel** » 2003-06-07 02:21am

Where do slaves get beaten to death at their masters whim?
Crack a fucking history book you moron.(or use your imagination, and think of a Saudi prince)
Your wall of ignorance is thick today.
That or you are redefining the word slave to suit your arguement.
Slavery is when you are OWNED, a non person, chattel, propery, not legaly human Got it.
Slaves don't collect social security and retire in Mexico.
Needing a job you hate is realty, you spoiled little college punk.

You think in pre industrial days you had a chioce about you carreer? NO! you did what you had to to survive, eve if you HATED farming or hunting.

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I heard this from a guy who visited India, Is it true?

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