Would you resort to torture?

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-06-07 11:32am

What a silly question. Being a survival-orientated leader in a post-apocolyptic world, the question of torture isn't a 'yes or no' question, but a 'how many times do we ask nicely' question.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-06-07 12:57pm

DPDarkPrimus wrote:What a silly question. Being a survival-orientated leader in a post-apocolyptic world, the question of torture isn't a 'yes or no' question, but a 'how many times do we ask nicely' question.

And what kind of torture would be most effective.

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2003-06-07 01:01pm

Absolutely, but mental torture would be resorted to before any physical torture.

It's a last rung on the ladder kind of thing, kill him if he doesnt crack.

But everyone cracks eventually.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-06-07 01:32pm

PeZook wrote:Physical torture isn't the most effective way of getting information. I'd try to break him using other means, invented by the good ole' communist folks.

Sleep deprivation for once. Keep him awake, locked in a cell with light turned all 24 hours a day. Keep him malnutritioned. Beatings are not necessary, though they may be a way of humilitating him. Then start to slowly induce a feeling of shame and humilitation (Why do you resist? Can't you see that we hate doing this? Why are your so...cruel to force us to abuse you so much?) - make it so that the guy thinks that HE is responsible for his suffering. Of course, YOU will not be involved. It will be your people who'll beat him, pretending to be doing the real interrogations.

Then you show up, shout at your men for being so cruel to this poor, poor man, apologize to him for this, assure that you knew nothing, and start the promises - as Dutchess said, give him a vision of a nice life when he betrays his comrades. Show that he's been betrayed, that his marauding friends don't care about him. Play to be his friend, after a few days of sleep and food deprivation all you'll need will be a bottle of vodka and a kind, listening ear. Ask about his friends. Ask about his family, does he have a girlfriend, then if he needs something. Say that you will make sure the beatings will stop, and give him what he asked (he won't ask for much, probably food or the opportunity to see the sun. If he asks to be set free, kindly explain to him that your people would burn you for that, and he wouldn't want to loose his single friend here, now would he?)

Meet with him every day. Talk like you would with a normal guy. When he starts to draw out his deepest thoughts out and share them with you, you have him.

good stuff. -makes note- of course, I sleep with lights on anyway.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-06-07 01:41pm

PeZook wrote:Physical torture isn't the most effective way of getting information. I'd try to break him using other means, invented by the good ole' communist folks.

Sleep deprivation for once. Keep him awake, locked in a cell with light turned all 24 hours a day. Keep him malnutritioned. Beatings are not necessary, though they may be a way of humilitating him. Then start to slowly induce a feeling of shame and humilitation (Why do you resist? Can't you see that we hate doing this? Why are your so...cruel to force us to abuse you so much?) - make it so that the guy thinks that HE is responsible for his suffering. Of course, YOU will not be involved. It will be your people who'll beat him, pretending to be doing the real interrogations.

Then you show up, shout at your men for being so cruel to this poor, poor man, apologize to him for this, assure that you knew nothing, and start the promises - as Dutchess said, give him a vision of a nice life when he betrays his comrades. Show that he's been betrayed, that his marauding friends don't care about him. Play to be his friend, after a few days of sleep and food deprivation all you'll need will be a bottle of vodka and a kind, listening ear. Ask about his friends. Ask about his family, does he have a girlfriend, then if he needs something. Say that you will make sure the beatings will stop, and give him what he asked (he won't ask for much, probably food or the opportunity to see the sun. If he asks to be set free, kindly explain to him that your people would burn you for that, and he wouldn't want to loose his single friend here, now would he?)

Meet with him every day. Talk like you would with a normal guy. When he starts to draw out his deepest thoughts out and share them with you, you have him.

It's like Tom Clancy's Without Remorse.

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2003-06-07 02:35pm

neoolong wrote:
PeZook wrote:Snip *mental torture 101*
It's like Tom Clancy's Without Remorse.

...and like real methods used by the Communist USSR, albeit I think they were MUCH more creative than that.

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2003-06-07 02:35pm

I forget who said this, but I remember reading it somewhere.

"Everyone cracks under torture. The trick is to mix truth and lie to the point that when you crack, they won't know what's true, and what's not."

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2003-06-07 04:52pm

Of course I would. My first responsibility is to my community, and if torture can eliminate the threat from the bandits, then so be it.

Jadeite · Post by **Jadeite** » 2003-06-07 09:47pm

Yep. I could always say he deserved it.

Soontir C'boath · Post by **Soontir C'boath** » 2003-06-07 10:03pm

I would only have the person torture when it's
A. Need info asap *usually always*
B. When it is not a yes or no question.
C. Friend/family is murdered/taken away.

Though, if you torture the bastard to get information or not... it can still be possible for the guy to lie to the interrogator.

Cyaround,
Jason

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-06-08 01:07am

I'd probably go for torture, once I tried all of my other methods (death threats, bribery, etc.).