Could the Federation?......

[TurboPhaser]

Could the Federation possibly construct a rival to the Star Destroyer? While this seems an easy answer (I.e 'no'), I was thinking if Starfleet used all their resources, everything available to them including forgotten tech, they might be able to do it.

I was also thinking it'll have to be a big ship. Obvioulsy much larger than a SD because they'd have to include loads of warp cores and fusion reactors for power. I'd estimate between 5 - 10 kilometers.

Remember, I say all tech that Starfleet has had contact with.

That includes:

Transphasics
Batmobile armour
Trilithium Weapons
Genesis Weapons
Phase cloaks/regular cloaks
Etc

I am not sure how many warp cores and reactors such a vessel would need to match a SD's shield output and weapons, so i'm relying on your math abilities.

This vessel would be a total war machine, no facilities for families etc. Every scrap of space is used for power and weapons. (with life support in there somewhere)

Soooo, your opinion please. Would the 24th century Federation be able to construct a SD rival? Remember, they are concentrating ALL their resources on this.

[NecronLord]

no. It could never go nearly as fast for one.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

It would need 6666 times the shields of a GCS just to survive one turbolaser shot from an Acc, and 833 thousand times the shields just to survive a HTL from an Imp. And even if it could magically increase the yield of photon torpedoes 1000 times, you'd still need 3 million to beat the shields.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Furthermore, since the Federation can only build GCSs at a rate of 2-4 years per ship, and an ISD is least 10 times as large, how long is this construction of a 10 kilometer ship going to take?

[TurboPhaser]

Uh, that is in addition to all the other ships they build. Shelby said in BoBW that 'They will have the fleet back up in a year'. They lost 39 ships, that suggests that the Feds can build about 40 ships a year, probably more.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

That's at seperate shipyards. Furthemore the vast majority of the ships lost at Wolf were smaller older ships, which can be replaced more easily.

[TurboPhaser]

You did not specify seperate shipyards..........

Try to be more open minded about this, imagine what I said above, all forgotten tech available. SF dusted off their computer files.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Why don't you read what I said? 2 Million torpedoes x1000 times as powerful as normal and needing near a fucking million times as much power!

[TurboPhaser]

Yes I did read what you said, did you read what I said? Photon Torpedoes arent the only weapons Starfleet has you know.

You do watch Star Trek don't you?

[Anarchist Bunny]

Yes I did read what you said, did you read what I said? Photon Torpedoes arent the only weapons Starfleet has you know.

You do watch Star Trek don't you?

But they don't have anything an order of magnitude or two stronger than photon torps, type 6 torps are accually stronger then type 1 quantums, even transphasics don't seem to be much more powerful then a quantum, it can just bypass or is resistant to borg adaptation.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Could the Federation possibly construct a rival to the Star Destroyer? While this seems an easy answer (I.e 'no'), I was thinking if Starfleet used all their resources, everything available to them including forgotten tech, they might be able to do it.

I was also thinking it'll have to be a big ship. Obvioulsy much larger than a SD because they'd have to include loads of warp cores and fusion reactors for power. I'd estimate between 5 - 10 kilometers.

Remember, I say all tech that Starfleet has had contact with.

That includes:

Transphasics

Only a 50/50 chance it can destroy a Borg vessel which only has low gigaton shielding.

Batmobile armour

Can be taken down by repeated <300 megaton shots.

Trilithium Weapons

Non Federation, only useful against stopping fusion in stars.

Genesis Weapons

Only useful against unshielded targets.

Phase cloaks/regular cloaks

Easily detectable and vulnerable to gravity weapons.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Yes I did read what you said, did you read what I said? Photon Torpedoes arent the only weapons Starfleet has you know.

You do watch Star Trek don't you?

Fuck off. Your list is nothing but a bunch of technobabble and useless weapons. Now provide some real figures instead of this bullshit "Don't you watch ST?"

[TurboPhaser]

Allright, forget the bloody Photons!! I never expected them to be included anyway!

How does an armament of 10,000 Transphasics and 5,000 Trilithium missiles sound?

Remember, big ship. Do try.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

And who are these magical allies huh? The Klingons?

[TurboPhaser]

Right, you obviously don't want to discuss this. Thankyou for your contribution. Honestly, is rational discussion so rare?

[Anarchist Bunny]

Allright, forget the bloody Photons!! I never expected them to be included anyway!

How does an armament of 10,000 Transphasics and 5,000 Trilithium missiles sound?

Remember, big ship. Do try.

Worthless, until I see Transphasics fired on a non-Borg ship, all I think they are, are torps that the Borg have trouble adapting to(Seven recognized they would be effective against the borg simply by scanning them with a tricorder IIRC), but no more powerful than a Type 2 Quantum torp. Ever see what the E-D did to a cube with phasers before they began to adapt to Federation weaponry?

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Allright, forget the bloody Photons!! I never expected them to be included anyway!

How does an armament of 10,000 Transphasics and 5,000 Trilithium missiles sound?

Remember, big ship. Do try.

Again Trilithium is just technobabble. Now assuming Transphasic torpedoes don't use some way to get past shields, I'd estimate their yield is only 5 gigatons. In other words, you'd need around 300 thousand to defeat an ISD.

And that's assuming this ISD doesn't simply fire a single shot and instantly destroy this USS Giant.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Right, you obviously don't want to discuss this. Thankyou for your contribution. Honestly, is rational discussion so rare?

I have fucking shown why this ship would be utterly useless despite loads of technobabble one shot weapons. You have not.

[Anarchist Bunny]

Now assuming Transphasic torpedoes don't use some way to get past shields, I'd estimate their yield is only 5 gigatons. In other words, you'd need around 300 thousand to defeat an ISD.

Accually I'd put them at maybe 100 MT-200MT, they don't overwhelm the 3GT shields and they don't blow up the Cube/Sphere, they just cause enough damage for it to go critical and destroy itself.

[Captain Cyran]

They can't do it, the gap between the technologies is far to great. They might with a LOT of luck get close if they can manage to steal a hypermatter reactor or two from an ISD...but that is not gonna happen without something along the lines of Q intervening .

[Darth Garden Gnome]

They can't do it, the gap between the technologies is far to great. They might with a LOT of luck get close if they can manage to steal a hypermatter reactor or two from an ISD...but that is not gonna happen without something along the lines of Q intervening .

Even if they did steal a hypermatter generator, they'd be hopelessly out of their league installing it and getting it to work on a Fed ship. Wong's example works very well in this situation: If you were to go back in time and give Leonardo Divinchi full blueprints and technical readouts to a F-16 fighter jet, so he knew exactly how to build it, he still couldn't. The technological gap is too great, there is no way he'd be able to implement the current technologies to create something as complex as that.

In the same way, it would be impossible for the Feds to reverse-engineer a hypermatter reactor. Espeically since they DON'T have blueprints and technical readouts and such.

[Ghost Rider]

Doubtful for the simple reason they don't have the power generation technology.

I mean the Scimitar represented an extreme high end(disregard that it's not Fed tech)...and sorry a 1000 of them merged is not the ISD level tech.

[Anarchist Bunny]

Also, even if you could hook the hypermatter reactor up to a ship it still wouldn't work. Like if you had a LED light, but it wasn't bright enough, so you take out the watch battery and hook the LED up to a Genorator the size of a car.

[TurboPhaser]

Okey dokey then, time to expand the parameters (sp?).

The Feds through some reason has acess to ALL tech available in the Trek universe. Includes Weapons, Utilities, Power generation. Everything short of super beings (Like Q who could annihilate the whole Empire if he wished). And the ship isnt limited to 1 power reactor. Be creative.

[Captain Cyran]

They can't do it, the gap between the technologies is far to great. They might with a LOT of luck get close if they can manage to steal a hypermatter reactor or two from an ISD...but that is not gonna happen without something along the lines of Q intervening .

Even if they did steal a hypermatter generator, they'd be hopelessly out of their league installing it and getting it to work on a Fed ship. Wong's example works very well in this situation: If you were to go back in time and give Leonardo Divinchi full blueprints and technical readouts to a F-16 fighter jet, so he knew exactly how to build it, he still couldn't. The technological gap is too great, there is no way he'd be able to implement the current technologies to create something as complex as that.

In the same way, it would be impossible for the Feds to reverse-engineer a hypermatter reactor. Espeically since they DON'T have blueprints and technical readouts and such.

Technobabble and lots of Q could solve that little problem...but I'd rather not...

Like I said before, Fed's can't do it period.