Romulan Turbolasers?

[Admiral Johnason]

As I recall, the Romulan plasma torpeado is a concentrated ball of plasma held together by a weak energy field. A tubrolaser shot is a plasma bolt held together by a laser energy field. Is it possible that the plasma torpeado is a very primative turbolaser?

[YT300000]

Sounds like it is. A very primitive TL which is extremely weak.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

A tubrolaser shot is a plasma bolt held together by a laser energy field.

No it isn't.

[Admiral Johnason]

A tubrolaser shot is a plasma bolt held together by a laser energy field.

No it isn't.

What kind of energy holds the charge together?

[His Divine Shadow]

As I recall, the Romulan plasma torpeado is a concentrated ball of plasma held together by a weak energy field. A tubrolaser shot is a plasma bolt held together by a laser energy field. Is it possible that the plasma torpeado is a very primative turbolaser?

No, a TL is not plasma.

[His Divine Shadow]

A tubrolaser shot is a plasma bolt held together by a laser energy field.

No it isn't.

What kind of energy holds the charge together?

There's no plasma, no massive component, it's an energy pulse weapon, it fires an energy beam composed of luxons, said energy beam has a ripple that travels along it, that is the "bolt" like phenomenom we see.

[Anarchist Bunny]

Christ, this is Soverign level stupidity.

[His Divine Shadow]

Christ, this is Soverign level stupidity.

What is?

[YT300000]

Christ, this is Soverign level stupidity.

What is?

What you're saying. The SWVD states that turbolasers use high-energy gas as ammunition, activated by a power cell and converted into plasma. The plasma is released from a magnetic bottle effect to fire through collimating components as a coherent energy bolt. -from the main site

[His Divine Shadow]

What you're saying. The SWVD states that turbolasers use high-energy gas as ammunition, activated by a power cell and converted into plasma. The plasma is released from a magnetic bottle effect to fire through collimating components as a coherent energy bolt. -from the main site

Hey shithead, don't tak about stupidity when you advocate one of the most lame brained concepts in sci-fi, nevermind that visuals rule out any possibility of them being plasma, infact that is one of the few things people agree on(see THIS site), no I am quite certain he was reffering to your lamebrained ramblings.

And the ICS, which is higher than the SWVD BTW, says they aren't plasma.

Not that the SWVD says that they are plasma either, it says it turns the plasma into something else, and they also talk about blasters in the SWVD, not turbolasers you lying sack of manure.

[His Divine Shadow]

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Pg. 3: Energy weapons fire invisible energy beams at lightspeed. The visible "bolt" is a glowing pulse that travels along the beam at less than lightspeed...The light given off by visible bolts depletes the overall energy content of a beam, limiting its range. Turbolasers gain a longer range by spinning the energy beam, which reduces waste glow.
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-Episode II Incredible Cross-Sections

I guess Dr. Curtis Saxton, the most respected authority on things like this is also a fucking stupid dolt, huh?

Oh and:
"And finally, they can't be plasmoids trapped in self-generated "moving magnetic containment bottles""
-Mike Wong, this site

I guess he fell of the vagon too, just because he happens to have an actual idea of what plasma really is, unlike you.

[Howedar]

HDS, you're being a troll. Stop.

[His Divine Shadow]

HDS, you're being a troll. Stop.

No I am not, I am replying in kind.

[YT300000]

What you're saying. The SWVD states that turbolasers use high-energy gas as ammunition, activated by a power cell and converted into plasma. The plasma is released from a magnetic bottle effect to fire through collimating components as a coherent energy bolt. -from the main site

Hey shithead, don't tak about stupidity when you advocate one of the most lame brained concepts in sci-fi, nevermind that visuals rule out any possibility of them being plasma, infact that is one of the few things people agree on(see THIS site), no I am quite certain he was reffering to your lamebrained ramblings.

And the ICS, which is higher than the SWVD BTW, says they aren't plasma.

Not that the SWVD says that they are plasma either, it says it turns the plasma into something else, and they also talk about blasters in the SWVD, not turbolasers you lying sack of manure.

1. I never read the SWVD. I saw the quote on the main site and took it.
2. Visuals contradict it? How?
The Death Star's tributary beams don't pass through each other.
Muzzle flak is affected by gravity.

Bolts are sublight.
The bolts can explode with a flak effect.

I support this theory because I think it makes sense. If the visuals contradict it, then show me, and I will admit defeat.

Gadjesus. Just because Sovereign is temporarily gone doesn't mean that you have to focus on me.

[YT300000]

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Pg. 3: Energy weapons fire invisible energy beams at lightspeed. The visible "bolt" is a glowing pulse that travels along the beam at less than lightspeed...The light given off by visible bolts depletes the overall energy content of a beam, limiting its range. Turbolasers gain a longer range by spinning the energy beam, which reduces waste glow.
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-Episode II Incredible Cross-Sections

I guess Dr. Curtis Saxton, the most respected authority on things like this is also a fucking stupid dolt, huh?

Oh and:
"And finally, they can't be plasmoids trapped in self-generated "moving magnetic containment bottles""
-Mike Wong, this site

I guess he fell of the vagon too, just because he happens to have an actual idea of what plasma really is, unlike you.

Did I say that Wong and Saxton are dolts?

No.

I don't want to start a flamefest. But visuals would be appreciated.

I know what plasma is. It is a high energy form of matter. I don't know much else about it, being only in High school.

[His Divine Shadow]

1. I never read the SWVD. I saw the quote on the main site and took it.

The SWVD only speaks of blasters, not turbolasers.
Even so, did you stop reading after that?
Obviously, this strongly suggests that the plasma-weapon interpretation of turbolaser operating principles is valid. However, official interpretations are not as important as direct observations, and from direct observation of the canon films, we know the following with absolute certainty: *snip*

2. Visuals contradict it? How?

You want to know how a real plasma weapon with a magnetic bottle would work?
It'd fire something that would glow with the intensity of the sun and would expand so rapidly that it'd be explosion like right out of the barrel, it'd be a very very worhtless flamer.

The Death Star's tributary beams don't pass through each other

Doesn't mean they are plasma.

Muzzle flak is affected by gravity

But the bolt isn't, the muzzle flash is just waste gas from the reaction.

Bolts are sublight.

And not affected at all by gravity even so, they also wink out of existence for no reason whatsoever in the movies(like after a turret has changed direction, the bolt dissapears, strongly indicates it's reliant on some underlying beam), bolt's have moved laterally(like they would if they where only effects along a moving beam), they are transparent, they are green, they have damage occuring before the bolt hits, sometimes there is no bolt whatsoever.

The bolts can explode with a flak effect.

Which isn't an argument for plasma, but they don't really flak either, it's only a measly fraction of the energy they contain and sometimes it happens without any bold and sometimes a bolt can seemingly burst yet continue intact.

I support this theory because I think it makes sense. If the visuals contradict it, then show me, and I will admit defeat

I have.
There's nothing about it that makes sense other than it's STL.

Gadjesus. Just because Sovereign is temporarily gone doesn't mean that you have to focus on me

Don't insult me then, I won't insult you either, I only react.

[His Divine Shadow]

I don't want to start a flamefest. But visuals would be appreciated.

Then kindly do not say I am a dolt.

I know what plasma is. It is a high energy form of matter. I don't know much else about it, being only in High school.

It's volatile, it glows incredibly hot and wants to expand with the speed of an explosion, it's nothing like we see in the movies.

[YT300000]

I don't want to start a flamefest. But visuals would be appreciated.

Then kindly do not say I am a dolt.

I know what plasma is. It is a high energy form of matter. I don't know much else about it, being only in High school.

It's volatile, it glows incredibly hot and wants to expand with the speed of an explosion, it's nothing like we see in the movies.

I never called you a dolt. All I said was that I thought that anarchistbunny's saying that this is Sovereign-level stupidity was directed at you.

If the mag-bottle effect is strong enough, it might be able to keep the plasma together in a bolt.

So, maybe the plasma theory isn't all that good. But it isn't invalid.



I lose.

[Anarchist Bunny]

I was talking about AJ thinking Plasma Torpedoes were primitive TLS.

[YT300000]

I was talking about AJ thinking Plasma Torpedoes were primitive TLS.

No offense, but next time quote someone before talking about what they said.

[His Divine Shadow]

I never called you a dolt. All I said was that I thought that anarchistbunny's saying that this is Sovereign-level stupidity was directed at you.

Maybe it's the language barrier but I got that distinct impression and I do get easily ticked when I get such an impression, anyway sorry for overreacting, let's move on.

If the mag-bottle effect is strong enough, it might be able to keep the plasma together in a bolt.

Oh sure, whilst contained by machinery this isn't a problem, but what kind of mechanism is gonna keep it contained without any technology? The bolt cannot contain itself you see, unless there is some kind of projectile along with the bolt that not only generates a forcefield, but a forcefield that is opaque and green in luminosity and has anti-graviational properties.
Obviously a very complex theory, Occam's Razor do not favor it.

I lose.

There's no winning or loosing.

[YT300000]

Seems the most viable theory is that TLs fire some exotic, mass-less sublight particle we haven't even begun to discover.

It would certainly fit with all the canon evidence.

[Alyeska]

HDS, you're being a troll. Stop.

No I am not, I am replying in kind.

No, you are trolling, nothing more.

[His Divine Shadow]

HDS, you're being a troll. Stop.

No I am not, I am replying in kind.

No, you are trolling, nothing more.

No, if I was trolling I would not be having any arguments and I would do it for destructive reasons, I was being harsh and overreacting yes, but trolling, no.

[Howedar]

Just drop it, guys. Can't we all just get along, and get back to whatever the hell it was we were talking about?