Romulan Turbolasers?

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-06-08 06:22pm

His Divine Shadow wrote:
Admiral Johnason wrote:
Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote: No it isn't.
What kind of energy holds the charge together?
There's no plasma, no massive component, it's an energy pulse weapon, it fires an energy beam composed of luxons, said energy beam has a ripple that travels along it, that is the "bolt" like phenomenom we see.

How would a luxon compare to other subatomic particles? Also, what is used for the confinement beam or does it even need one?

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-06-08 06:23pm

Howedar wrote:Just drop it, guys. Can't we all just get along, and get back to whatever the hell it was we were talking about?

What were we talking about originally?

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-06-08 06:25pm

Admiral Johnason wrote:How would a luxon compare to other subatomic particles? Also, what is used for the confinement beam or does it even need one?

A luxon is simply a massless particle, photon, graviton, gluon, whatever.
There is no need for any confinement, according to the ICS it's a lightspeed beam that has a weird ripple travelling along the beam.
Clearly though, there are issues with this too, as you can see in the TL thread in PSW, Mad had some interesting theories on how to reconcile the things.

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-06-08 06:27pm

His Divine Shadow wrote:
Admiral Johnason wrote:How would a luxon compare to other subatomic particles? Also, what is used for the confinement beam or does it even need one?
A luxon is simply a massless particle, photon, graviton, gluon, whatever.
There is no need for any confinement, according to the ICS it's a lightspeed beam that has a weird ripple travelling along the beam.
Clearly though, there are issues with this too, as you can see in the TL thread in PSW, Mad had some interesting theories on how to reconcile the things.

Sorry for the problems then. BTW, which ICS is this stated? I have only two of them and I haven't read them in a while.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-06-08 06:32pm

The AOTC:ICS:
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Pg. 3: Energy weapons fire invisible energy beams at lightspeed. The visible "bolt" is a glowing pulse that travels along the beam at less than lightspeed...The light given off by visible bolts depletes the overall energy content of a beam, limiting its range. Turbolasers gain a longer range by spinning the energy beam, which reduces waste glow.
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-Episode II Incredible Cross-Sections

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-06-08 06:45pm

His Divine Shadow wrote:The AOTC:ICS:
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Pg. 3: Energy weapons fire invisible energy beams at lightspeed. The visible "bolt" is a glowing pulse that travels along the beam at less than lightspeed...The light given off by visible bolts depletes the overall energy content of a beam, limiting its range. Turbolasers gain a longer range by spinning the energy beam, which reduces waste glow.
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-Episode II Incredible Cross-Sections

Don't have that one.

TurboPhaser · Post by **TurboPhaser** » 2003-06-09 02:24am

Romulan Plasma torpedoes arent just balls of plasma ya know. There is a physical part as well. In the first ep of season 7 DS9, Kira got in a snit about the Romulans storing Plasma Torps on a moon around Bajor. This indicates there is a physical thing to store. I doubt they stick floating balls of plasma in a room and call them 'torpedoes'.

If they are as described in the first post, then they wouldnt be called 'torpedoes' would they? More like 'Plasma pulses' or 'cannon' etc.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-06-09 08:32am

Infact they would require these torpedoes to maintain the forcefield, a floating ball of plasma would disperse incredibly fast.

EmperorChrostas the Cruel · Post by **EmperorChrostas the Cruel** » 2003-06-10 07:42pm

It CAN'T be firing Luxons.

I have NEVER seen D'Argo, or ANY of his species impacting targets.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-06-11 01:43am

Emperor Chrostas the Crue wrote:It CAN'T be firing Luxons.

What can't? Turbolasers?

I have NEVER seen D'Argo, or ANY of his species impacting targets.

What the hell?

Whats farscape got to do with this?
Am I missing something?

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-06-11 01:44am

Oh wait! I get it! Luxons, thats the name of D'argo species, or atleast it's very similar(only seen like 5 episodes of Farscape).
Har Har Har

GrandMasterTerwynn · Post by **GrandMasterTerwynn** » 2003-06-11 03:10am

Admiral Johnason wrote:As I recall, the Romulan plasma torpeado is a concentrated ball of plasma held together by a weak energy field. A tubrolaser shot is a plasma bolt held together by a laser energy field. Is it possible that the plasma torpeado is a very primative turbolaser?

Errrm, turbolasers don't behave as plasma weapons. The non-visible part of the TL shot does the most damage, not the visible tracer.

Dark Hellion · Post by **Dark Hellion** » 2003-06-13 03:05pm

Soliton Wave Theory, and its computer projections actually have formed all the seen affects of turbolasers, including flak bursting at set distances. It seems it is some sort of unbeliavably powerful Soliton Wave Thingy(i have no idea what to actually call it.) HDS i think you had a link to a site or something didn't you? However, it is possible to have a lightspeed projectile flak burst and still have the visible, slow tracer.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-06-13 03:31pm

Dark Hellion wrote:Soliton Wave Theory, and its computer projections actually have formed all the seen affects of turbolasers, including flak bursting at set distances. It seems it is some sort of unbeliavably powerful Soliton Wave Thingy(i have no idea what to actually call it.) HDS i think you had a link to a site or something didn't you? However, it is possible to have a lightspeed projectile flak burst and still have the visible, slow tracer.

Soliton Wave Theory? Does it have a solid base, or is it technobabble speculation pseudo-science?

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-06-15 07:35pm

Dark Hellion wrote:However, it is possible to have a lightspeed projectile flak burst and still have the visible, slow tracer.

Yes it is, ask Omegalancer, but then again, I don't really believe in that, either that or the flakburst system is terribly ineffective releasing less than 0.1% of the bolts energy.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-06-15 07:36pm

But IIRC, you need a medium for that to work so it wouldn't work in a vacuum IIRC

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-06-16 04:29pm

Chrostas; couldnt they fire Illanics?

omegaLancer · Post by **omegaLancer** » 2003-06-16 08:30pm

Well I believe that the SW turbo laser are a form of advance Soliton.

Basically they are self focusing beams. We see all kind of Behavior from Light Bullets ( a Soliton like collection of photons). Merging of several bolts to form a larger stronger beam ( like the super laser of the death star). Explosion of Light bullets that become unstable ( Flak effect) and extreme range..

Problem is forming Soliton in vacuums. There is research involving photons entanglement with special Cavities. Another method being look into is the use of Relatitivic Plasma.

Basically you use laser to create a plasma and accelerate to Hi velocity ( 90 PSL) as the laser passes thru the plamsa, the plasma refocus the beam.

The last method would mimic a turbo laser very closely, we would have an invisible potion of the beam ( hi freq laser,uv, xray, or even gamma rays) and the visible potion ( the plasma). The plasma would be effected by gravity and travel slower than C...

Much different from the Romula Plasma weapons.

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