[STGOD] Primary Story Thread

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » 2003-06-08 08:58pm

Thirdfain wrote:The Republic of Mohaim will take up the banner of the former UFR, and will continue to honor all of the UFR's agreements. We have around a third of the URN's ships, but we only have five Military Clusters, and limited ship construction facilities.

We would propose this to the ITA:

Mohaimese warships will act as the military arm of the ITASF. Our vessels are largely modern craft, and we have made arrangements to install DE-built shield generators on our capital ships. In exchange, we would ask for ITA funding, and would request donations from ITA members to provide basing and maintenance facilities across known space for ITA and ITASF ships.

Minmatar and Fenari warships are already fulfilling this role, but you're welcome to join them.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-06-08 09:09pm

Spyder wrote:
Thirdfain wrote:The Republic of Mohaim will take up the banner of the former UFR, and will continue to honor all of the UFR's agreements. We have around a third of the URN's ships, but we only have five Military Clusters, and limited ship construction facilities.

We would propose this to the ITA:

Mohaimese warships will act as the military arm of the ITASF. Our vessels are largely modern craft, and we have made arrangements to install DE-built shield generators on our capital ships. In exchange, we would ask for ITA funding, and would request donations from ITA members to provide basing and maintenance facilities across known space for ITA and ITASF ships.
Minmatar and Fenari warships are already fulfilling this role, but you're welcome to join them.

If that is the case the Asgard Empire will be withdrawing it's shipping from ITASF protection and we will have to reconsider our relationship with the ITA.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2003-06-08 09:22pm

The OU will vote against any proposal to have the Floaters join the ITASF...

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-06-08 09:25pm

Why? Any help would be useful, and the Floaters have always supported fee trade.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-06-08 09:31pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:Why? Any help would be useful, and the Floaters have always supported fee trade.

Because they have started a war with our nations. A war they brought on with their own threats against a soveriegn nation which had not attacked them. And have since endangered the peace and safety of our nations on several other ocassions. Need we forget the Black Alice Incursion or their harassment of my naval vessels.

I think it is safe to safe we cannot trust them to protect our people and shipping. Their professionalism is questionable and their judgement flawed at best. To entrust them with the lives of our merchant crews is unthinkable and we stand absolutely opposed to their taking part in the ITASF.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-06-08 09:35pm

Well I suppose that is your choice.

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » 2003-06-08 10:05pm

Stormbringer wrote:
If that is the case the Asgard Empire will be withdrawing it's shipping from ITASF protection and we will have to reconsider our relationship with the ITA.

That would be unfortunate, but ultimately your decision.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-06-08 10:18pm

Spyder wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:
If that is the case the Asgard Empire will be withdrawing it's shipping from ITASF protection and we will have to reconsider our relationship with the ITA.
That would be unfortunate, but ultimately your decision.

We feared that you would irrevociblely end the neutrality of the ITA as a whole. Allowing the military vessels of a hostile nation to serve as escorts seems neither neutral or wise to us. Unless it can be arranged to use exclusively Minamatar or Fenari vessels to escort Asgard and OU merchant vessels, the Asgard nation will be withdrawing our ships from the ITASF system and our funding from the ITASF.

If the unilateral and inconsiderate behaviour of the Chancellor continues we might well be forced to call for a no confidence vote or withdraw from the ITA entirely. It is our hope that you will show a bit more consideration to the nations that make up the ITA so such radical action will not be necessary.

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » 2003-06-08 10:49pm

Stormbringer wrote:
We feared that you would irrevociblely end the neutrality of the ITA as a whole. Allowing the military vessels of a hostile nation to serve as escorts seems neither neutral or wise to us. Unless it can be arranged to use exclusively Minamatar or Fenari vessels to escort Asgard and OU merchant vessels, the Asgard nation will be withdrawing our ships from the ITASF system and our funding from the ITASF.

If the unilateral and inconsiderate behaviour of the Chancellor continues we might well be forced to call for a no confidence vote or withdraw from the ITA entirely. It is our hope that you will show a bit more consideration to the nations that make up the ITA so such radical action will not be necessary.

"Hardly neccessary, the council is a democratic authority after all. Infact in the interests of all concerned I believe this issue should be put to a vote."

Vote: Limit ITASF military wing to Minmatar and Fenari forces
Reason: To prevent non-neutral powers from influencing ITA agenda

Yea:
OU
Asgard
Minmatar

Post by **Beowulf** » 2003-06-08 10:56pm

Spyder wrote:Vote: Limit ITASF military wing to Minmatar and Fenari forces
Reason: To prevent non-neutral powers from influencing ITA agenda

The OU votes aye to this.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-06-08 11:00pm

Spyder wrote:"Hardly neccessary, the council is a democratic authority after all. Infact in the interests of all concerned I believe this issue should be put to a vote."

Excellent. We are glad that you have chosen this course of action.

Spyder wrote:Vote: Limit ITASF military wing to Minmatar and Fenari forces
Reason: To prevent non-neutral powers from influencing ITA agenda

We vote aye.

We would not be opposed to seeing other neutral nations involved as well until such time, if ever, as an idependent ITASF is created.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-06-09 01:44am

Fenari Abstain on grounds of Conflict of Interest.

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » 2003-06-09 01:52am

The Yosemite Bear wrote:Fenari Abstain on grounds of Conflict of Interest.

I can see my faith in the fairness of the Fenari Representative as the ITA Minister of Security is certainly not misplaced. The ethical contribution the Fenari make to the ITA is beyond value.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-06-09 08:38am

We of the Mohaimese Republic would like to point out that Floater warships already make up a significant part of the ITASF. Additionally, in the attack on Imperator, it was Floater vessels which fortified the spaceways, ensuring continued trade even in those troubled times.

Floaters have always supported the ITA in an impartial fashion.

Additionally, we would like to point out that the Asgard and the OU are hardly neutral powers.

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » 2003-06-09 09:23am

Thirdfain wrote:We of the Mohaimese Republic would like to point out that Floater warships already make up a significant part of the ITASF. Additionally, in the attack on Imperator, it was Floater vessels which fortified the spaceways, ensuring continued trade even in those troubled times.

Floaters have always supported the ITA in an impartial fashion.

Additionally, we would like to point out that the Asgard and the OU are hardly neutral powers.

So you would like their ships kept out of hte ITASF as well? I'm sure they would agree that given the situation that is not an unreasonable demand.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-06-09 09:31am

So you would like their ships kept out of the ITASF as well? I'm sure they would agree that given the situation that is not an unreasonable demand.

Absolutly. Though we still fail to see how placing our vessels under Minmatar command would endanger NBA vessels.

We note Nay to their position.

Seeing as to fact that the greater organization of the United Floater Republics no longer exists, will their veto power devolve to the Mohaimese Republic?

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » 2003-06-09 09:39am

Thirdfain wrote:
So you would like their ships kept out of the ITASF as well? I'm sure they would agree that given the situation that is not an unreasonable demand.
Absolutly. Though we still fail to see how placing our vessels under Minmatar command would endanger NBA vessels.

We note Nay to their position.

Seeing as to fact that the greater organization of the United Floater Republics no longer exists, will their veto power devolve to the Mohaimese Republic?

I see.

Asgard Representative: Are there any conditions under which you support the use of Floater vessels into the ITA?

eg
1 Floater vessels, Floater crews, Minmatar authority
2 Floater vessels, Minmatar crews
3 Other (please specify)

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-06-09 09:45am

We would point out that oddly enough, the Asgard did not complain when Floater vessels protected their convoys under the flag of the ITASF for the last few years. Up until the nuclear bombing of Zarathrustra, our vessels were contracted by the Minmatar to secure all shipping lanes, which we did.

-Personal secure message to Minmatar-

We lack the infrastructure to support all of the vessels we have. It is imperative that this works out, in some way. We would gladly give you ships, if you would provide crews. Allowing us to crew the vessels would be excellent, of course, and would allow us to deploy maintenance and repair stations across neutral territory- a network of small bases to ensure the security of civilian shipping.

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » 2003-06-09 10:08am

-Secure Message to Mohaimese Republic-

Issue #1: If there is currently only one Floater Republic still present in the ITA then I see no reason why the Veto should not be passed down. The Veto belongs to the founders of the ITA and if the Mohaimese are the only representation of that founder still present then by the third Act of the ITA constitution the veto is granted to the Mohaimese.

Issue #2: We would be more then happy to receive your vessels with full crews but we must remain mindful of our obligations as a neutral power. If you can convince the Asgard that ships with Floater crews under Minmatar authority will pose no threat to them then I will allow their usage.

What I will do in the meantime is issue a purchase order for the ships that you wish to part with. We can maintain them in one of our orbital drydocks until their fate is decided.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-06-09 10:58am

Should Floater ships be used in patroling the space lanes, we seek the contract to provide them with shield generators.

We also vote nay to allowing only neutral powers to patrol the spacelanes. The NBA has voiced no ovjection to dozens of our ships protecting their convoys even when our relations were not exactly friendly. Even in a time of war our ITA vessels would not ever be used to attack Asgard shipping.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-06-09 09:13pm

Thirdfain wrote:We would point out that oddly enough, the Asgard did not complain when Floater vessels protected their convoys under the flag of the ITASF for the last few years. Up until the nuclear bombing of Zarathrustra, our vessels were contracted by the Minmatar to secure all shipping lanes, which we did.

It was because you contribution was less then the overwhelming presence it would become with this. And frankly up until recently our nations enjoyed a much better relationship and your people's navy conducted themselves in a more proffessional manner.

The changes in our relationship have greatly altered, and not for the better, our nation's prior relationship.

Alyrium Denryle wrote:We also vote nay to allowing only neutral powers to patrol the spacelanes. The NBA has voiced no ovjection to dozens of our ships protecting their convoys even when our relations were not exactly friendly. Even in a time of war our ITA vessels would not ever be used to attack Asgard shipping.

Not necessarilly neutral but certainly openly hostile power. And the Floaters have shown both hostility and recklessness in their conduct with regards to the Asgard and certain NBA members.

You while we were not at war have actually maintained peaceful civil relations. At this point the Floaters do not maintain any formal diplomatic relations. The basic conduct makes a great deal of difference.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-06-09 09:23pm

Spyder wrote:So you would like their ships kept out of hte ITASF as well? I'm sure they would agree that given the situation that is not an unreasonable demand.

Our four Glory battlecruisers were withdrawn at the time of the Floater War and it's aftermath and never re-instated. This is a non-issue.

Spyder wrote:Asgard Representative: Are there any conditions under which you support the use of Floater vessels into the ITA?

eg
1 Floater vessels, Floater crews, Minmatar authority
2 Floater vessels, Minmatar crews
3 Other (please specify)

A less drastic version of option two. Replace Floater command crew and other key personel with Minamatar or other trustworthy personell. Frankly, our problem is mostly with Floater military recklessness and it's unfortunate tendency to focus on us. We wish to avoid the shedding of blood, on either side.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-06-09 09:48pm

This we would accept.

the ITA will foot the bill for fueling and basing, of course?

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-06-09 09:51pm

Thirdfain wrote:This we would accept.

the ITA will foot the bill for fueling and basing, of course?

Of course. But routine repairs (excluding battle damage) would be carried out and paid for by Floater naval funds. A fair deal?

(OOC: The Asgard remain the Minister of Fleet Assests for the ITASF)

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-06-09 09:56pm

Excellent. The fleets will be supplied by Floater fleet tenders, which will provide refueling, repair, and rearmament in the field.

We will begin construction of maintenance posts/outposts, from which ITASF vessels will operate, and from which any ITA merchantmen can call for help, or set in at for emergency repairs.

As for the Asgard holding the position of Minister of Fleet Assets, we do not believe there will be any problems- unless, of course, the Minmatar try to force Asgard commanding officers onto the bridges of Floater vessels.