RayCav of ASVS wrote:Here's what I think:
BTech: would still rip ST to shreds.
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At worse, BTech's ranges are only as bad as Star Trek's (BTech=up close and personal, ST=up close and personal as seen in countless examples, none the least of which is SOA).
Actually, that's far from the case. Check our ISA page. Pay particular
attention to the
White Star's range limitations.
Btw, why are you grouping all of Star Trek together? The Borg are more
powerful than the Federation, yet both are a part of Trek. Would all
of B5 be able to whip the Borg? No. Even the First Ones would struggle
with that.
BTech weapons are from low kiloton to low megaton range, nothing worse than a phototorp,
Hmm...I tend to think low megaton range is possible, but a good bit
of episodic evidence indicates it's
much lower. For the most
part, Trek outguns the YR by roughly an order of magnitude. This is
evident in the scale of their most massive weapons; e.g., G'Kar's 500 megaton Gaim bombs, so effective against the Shadows, are a full order of magnitude weaker than Cardassian heavy interceptors (21.5 gigaton yield).
and are better armed than a ST ship.
Strongly disagree here. No conventional ship in Babylon 5 has ever displayed the ability to wipe out all planetary life in short order.
The Centauri used 12 cruisers, attacking over four DAYS, to kill
several million Narns. Even in Kirk's era a single starship could
do a more thorough job in arguably far less time.
ST may have anywhere from a slight to a significant advantage in ship numbers, though, as BTech possesses relatively few space fairing vessels.
The First Ones have a lot of ships, tens of thousands observed. Small powers like the EA probably have hundreds to around a thousand including support ships. Minbari and Centauri forces probably go 3-5,000 ships (including rustbuckets like
Liandra). Given that the Dominion Alliance had 30,000 ships in "Tacking Into the Wind," young Trek powers would
have a slight numerical advantage.
This may just be a result of the lop-sided attention BMechs get in the literature, so there may actually be a fair number of ships. Nonetheless, I predict that BTech should fair at least slightly better than equal against Star Trek.
First Ones? Yes. But without their planet-killers, even they are far more vulnerable than some are willing to admit. And the point remains,
the Shadow Planet Killer is
less effective at planetary bombardment
than a small fleet of top-of-the-line Alpha Quadrant warships.
Independence Day (NOT Independence War!): Pretty-ass weak. They were defeated by stupid 20th century humans, after all! Their weaponry still has a long ways to go before they even break into the kiloton range, with the sole exception of the city-ship lasers, and even they may just barely reach into the KT range if at all. Their defensive and offensive capabilities appear to be centered around carrier ops and the large laser of their city ships, as they haven't demonstrated any other weapons. However, ST's lack of starfighter support may mean that ID4 has an advantage with their sheer numbers of fighters, and it all depends on the ships' ability to absorb firepower rather than dishing it out. It's hard to judge, but I think it's possible for ID4 to win against Trek, even if it might require a bit of luck.
If their tactics are anything like in the film, they might do fine against
ground forces, but they'd promptly get their ass handed to them
in space. Those city ships only appear to have one ventral weapon,
and it doesn't appear to be a threat to a Trek warship's shields (as
you've described them). Plus, they're extremely slow to maneuver:
could they ever get off a shot? Did the mother ship have any weapons?
It, too, would be a nice target for a fleet to simply bombard with impugnity.
If its shields happened to prove especially resistant (something we have
no proof of), just crash an AM tanker into the thing.
The fighters were a joke. They could barely shred jet fighters. Fire
a photorp into a swarm of them, BAM.
Homeworld: Already discussed, I think they'll crush Trek.
World War: I think these guys really should be lumped together with the ID4 aliens (come to think of it, I think ID4 is a total rip of WW). I really don't know much about them, but Trek may stand a good to very good chance against them, based on what I heard.
Starship Troopers: Can someone say Trek Stomping Party(TM)?
StarCraft: See above, multiply by 10, rinse, repeat
From what I've heard of SC, it should win rather easily. Starship Troopers,
though? Nah. Those goofy bug farts tore up their ships. And their
ships maneuvered like cows. With no apparent point defense weapons
or shields, photorps would shred 'em.
It also has a 'kinetic particle weapon' but were aren't told it's yeild. Also it Phalanx missiles, one assumes, are fusion grade weapon warheads.
