Star Wars camouflage

Grand Moff Yenchin · Post by **Grand Moff Yenchin** » 2003-06-01 08:38am

Is there any equivalent of camouflage for stormtroopers?
The Imperial troopers mainly wear white armor which makes them a good target in many types of terrain, does this mean the purpose of the troopers are mainly for warfare which stealth is irrelevant?

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-06-01 08:42am

In the Zahn Trilogy Leia talks of camo'd stormies, saying something to the gist of how they learned after they messed up on Endor. I'm sure somebody'll provide you the quote.

In the AOTC: VD, it says the clones wear white armor because, "They fear no one and wish their enemies to see them coming from afar."

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-06-01 12:04pm

In Jedi Outcast we see Swamp Troopers.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-06-01 12:06pm

Swamp Troopers look cool.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-06-01 12:08pm

Vympel wrote:Swamp Troopers look cool.

Their also really hard to see in the Yavin swamp level. I looked right at one and didn't see him because he was hiding in a fern. I turn around, and he riddles me with his FC-1.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-06-01 12:49pm

Grand Moff Yenchin wrote:Is there any equivalent of camouflage for stormtroopers?
The Imperial troopers mainly wear white armor which makes them a good target in many types of terrain, does this mean the purpose of the troopers are mainly for warfare which stealth is irrelevant?

They are shock troops

Grand Moff Yenchin · Post by **Grand Moff Yenchin** » 2003-06-01 12:53pm

Thanks guys

Jaris Merc · Post by **Jaris Merc** » 2003-06-02 02:18pm

I recall in The Courtship of Princess Leia that Han when they first landed on the insane planet * forgot name* used a camo cover to hide the falcon... The cover took a photo of the terrain and matched the colors the the ground and became colored like the surronding area to make the Falcon hidden to a point where you would have to step on it to see it.

Even know that had nothing to do with stromies oh well...

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2003-06-02 02:26pm

YT300000 wrote:
Vympel wrote:Swamp Troopers look cool.
Their also really hard to see in the Yavin swamp level. I looked right at one and didn't see him because he was hiding in a fern. I turn around, and he riddles me with his FC-1.

Did you disable the crosshair ID function? The crosshair should turn red, y'know. Alternatively, there's a new-fangled concept called the Force. Lightning and Grip work wonders.

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2003-06-02 03:54pm

In the first X-Wing novel, the stormtroopers that assault the bunker complex at night and kill that chick and shoot Gavin in the stomach are described as wearing grey armor to match the mists of the planet, IIRC.

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-06-02 04:35pm

Stormies are always in camo...for Hoth or any other ice planet.

Seriously, in most situations, aside from certain special missions, camo is actually detrimential to stormtroopers. Their look is supposed to inspire fear into their opponents. To change that would remove some of that mistique in the early parts of land battles. Remember the Tarkin Doctrine.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-06-02 08:25pm

Darth Yoshi wrote:Did you disable the crosshair ID function? The crosshair should turn red, y'know. Alternatively, there's a new-fangled concept called the Force. Lightning and Grip work wonders.

I didn't move my reticule directly over the trooper, so it didn't go red. With my ancient GeForce 2 MX 200, the frame-rate was very low, making the background a little blurry when I moved, and making it hard to control Kyle properly.

You can't lightning or choke when your back is facing someone.

I was playing on Jedi Master difficulty, 50 health, 50 shields.

By the time I started to lose health and turned around (sluggishly and jerkily) my shields were gone. A secondary fire blast hit me after I pressed the force push button, but it took a few seconds to respond. By then, I was dead.

Not surprisingly, the next time I played the level, I turned the graphics WAY down.

Damaramu · Post by **Damaramu** » 2003-06-02 10:30pm

Ouch. You know you get a better graphics card for under $100 these days.....

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-06-11 12:08am

I turned off that irritating goddamned moving reticule right at the start of the game.

Crix Dorius · Post by **Crix Dorius** » 2003-06-11 01:47am

Grand Moff Yenchin wrote:Is there any equivalent of camouflage for stormtroopers?
The Imperial troopers mainly wear white armor which makes them a good target in many types of terrain, does this mean the purpose of the troopers are mainly for warfare which stealth is irrelevant?

You mean like this ?!?

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2003-06-11 02:09am

YT300000 wrote:With my ancient GeForce 2 MX 200,

Say it with me: Ugh...

All of the MX cards were complete shit. They basically took a crippled processor and sold it as an economy version. For a few extra bucks, it's worth getting a regular GeForce... for example, I could have gotten a GeForce 3 MX but went for the Ti200 instead.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-06-11 02:11am

Ahh, I have a real card, a Geforce 256!

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2003-06-11 02:15am

His Divine Shadow wrote:Ahh, I have a real card, a Geforce 256!

I still have one of those. As I recall, I was often getting better framerates than people with GF2 MXs

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-06-11 02:36am

Crix Dorius wrote:
Grand Moff Yenchin wrote:Is there any equivalent of camouflage for stormtroopers?
The Imperial troopers mainly wear white armor which makes them a good target in many types of terrain, does this mean the purpose of the troopers are mainly for warfare which stealth is irrelevant?
You mean like this ?!?

So coool ...

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2003-06-11 02:58am

Holographic disguises, for one.

http://www.starwars.com/databank/organi ... os/eu.html

Storm commandoes also have a stealth coating on their armor:

"The black storm commando armor is based on the lightweight armor of the stormtrooper scout, but is coated with an advanced polymer called reflec which bends light and sensor energy away from the trooper. "

vakundok · Post by **vakundok** » 2003-06-11 07:01am

Based on the scout armor ...
It seems that only the helmet is very similar, since the scout armor does not fully cover the body (eg.: the legs).
Imagine walking legs (without torso and head) inside a rebell installation!

IronicTwist · Post by **IronicTwist** » 2003-06-11 09:34pm

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:In the Zahn Trilogy Leia talks of camo'd stormies, saying something to the gist of how they learned after they messed up on Endor. I'm sure somebody'll provide you the quote.

If that's true, it doesn't make much sense. How long does it take to realize that cammo is useful? Why would it take years? And why would they have "forgotten?"

Besides, the Rebels on Endor wouldn't have been afraid of the stormies in white armor, so there'd be no reason to trade a real combat advantage for such a silly psychological ploy.

Joe Momma · Post by **Joe Momma** » 2003-06-11 10:39pm

IronicTwist wrote:If that's true, it doesn't make much sense. How long does it take to realize that cammo is useful? Why would it take years? And why would they have "forgotten?".

It might be a simple case of them having gotten sloppy. There are plenty of historical examples of army forces following foolish doctrines out of tradition or failing to make changes because they assume that they're already superior to whatever forces they'll meet. In this case, standard stormies probably rarely operate in the wilderness (I imagine they'd usually be in urban areas or on starships) and have presumably operated under conditions where they have always enjoyed vast superiority to their opponents, so switching over to camouflage uniforms may not have been given any real thought at the time.

Besides, the Rebels on Endor wouldn't have been afraid of the stormies in white armor, so there'd be no reason to trade a real combat advantage for such a silly psychological ploy.

I don't think it was so much trading as not bothering to switch in the first place, the white armor being the default. They never expected to meet serious opposition so they never bothered adjusting their equipment.

IOW, they didn't bother with camo on Endor because they suffered the same basic flaw as their superiors: arrogance. Losing three quarters of the galaxy over the next five years and having to switch over to more of a guerilla warfare mode probably resulted in significant changes in their doctrines and attitudes, including more frequent use of camouflage.

-- Joe Momma

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-06-12 03:19pm

Darth Yoshi wrote:
YT300000 wrote:
Vympel wrote:Swamp Troopers look cool.
Their also really hard to see in the Yavin swamp level. I looked right at one and didn't see him because he was hiding in a fern. I turn around, and he riddles me with his FC-1.
Did you disable the crosshair ID function? The crosshair should turn red, y'know.

Red crosshair are not canon!

IronicTwist · Post by **IronicTwist** » 2003-06-12 09:13pm

Joe Momma wrote:I don't think it was so much trading as not bothering to switch in the first place, the white armor being the default. They never expected to meet serious opposition so they never bothered adjusting their equipment.

Ah, but they did expect serious opposition. The Emperor knew the Rebels were coming and had "a legion of [his] best troops." You have to wonder why the best troops would be wearing white armor in a forest.

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