Only a Little while until the Next Harry Potter Book.

Joe Momma · Post by **Joe Momma** » 2003-06-11 09:56pm

Andrew J. wrote:I'm looking forward to it, but I'm wondering how long it's going to be. Goblet was over 600 pages, and each book has been significantly longer than the one before it.

According to Amazon.com, it's 896 pages.

-- Joe Momma

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-06-12 12:53am

True that, Talen, but there hasn't been any mainstream titles in recent history that have been so popular and lengthy as the HP books.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-06-12 12:56am

robert jordan, song of ice and fire?

-considers- prolly not.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-06-12 12:59am

Joe Momma wrote:
Andrew J. wrote:I'm looking forward to it, but I'm wondering how long it's going to be. Goblet was over 600 pages, and each book has been significantly longer than the one before it.
According to Amazon.com, it's 896 pages.

-- Joe Momma

The books wouldn't be so long if their typefaces weren't so huge.

Think about it. They could easily cut their page counts by about a third if they used a smaller typeface.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2003-06-12 01:01am

Enforcer Talen wrote:robert jordan, song of ice and fire?

-considers- prolly not.

Speak not the name of that author! *shudder* "Hey, I'll write a story where nothing happens, except a new character gets introduced..."

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-06-12 01:04am

well, tg was popular for a while too, but doesnt mean he's good. . .

septesix · Post by **septesix** » 2003-06-12 02:33am

Beowulf wrote:
Enforcer Talen wrote:robert jordan, song of ice and fire?

-considers- prolly not.
Speak not the name of that author! *shudder* "Hey, I'll write a story where nothing happens, except a new character gets introduced..."

Well, that's only Jordan. Song of Ice and Fire is more in the realm of "Let's kill a couple main character and introduce some new one"

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-06-12 04:19am

a couple? Im willing to say 75% of the characters who've had view points are dead by the end of the third book.

Steven Snyder · Post by **Steven Snyder** » 2003-06-12 08:34am

Sorry for the delay Crown, yesterday was a very busy day.

Crown wrote:
The Goblet of Fire, [i]page 513[/i] wrote:Dumbledore had go to his feet. 'I have given evidence already on this matter,' he said calmly. 'Severus Snape was indeed a Death Eater. However, he rejoined our side before Lord Voldemoet's downfall and turned spy for us, at great personal risk. He is now no more a Death Eater than I am.'

Good point, but this does bring another question to mind...

If Snape did have a thing for Lilly, and Voldemort knew about it. Could he not have been trying to capture Lilly in order to lure Snape into a trap because the soon-to-be potions professor had betrayed him?

The biggest problem with the entire "Voldemort wanted to kill Harry" thing I see is that although he slew James outright, he seemed to argue with Lilly for several moments. I don't see this as logical, why did he even bother to stop and engage in dialogue, just kill her and then the baby, and then be done with it.

The only thing I can see as reasoning is that he didn't really want to kill Lilly, and I can find few other answers to that question.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2003-06-12 11:08am

Steven Snyder wrote:Sorry for the delay Crown, yesterday was a very busy day.

Don't sweat it, I understand

Steven Snyder wrote:
Crown wrote:
The Goblet of Fire, [i]page 513[/i] wrote:Dumbledore had go to his feet. 'I have given evidence already on this matter,' he said calmly. 'Severus Snape was indeed a Death Eater. However, he rejoined our side before Lord Voldemoet's downfall and turned spy for us, at great personal risk. He is now no more a Death Eater than I am.'
Good point, but this does bring another question to mind...

If Snape did have a thing for Lilly, and Voldemort knew about it. Could he not have been trying to capture Lilly in order to lure Snape into a trap because the soon-to-be potions professor had betrayed him?

*nods vigerously*

Now that makes more sense, then killing the Potters as a reward to Snape, but that assumes that Voldemort knew that Snape betrayed him, and by the end of the book (Goblet), Dumbledore asks Snape to do something difficult, which hints at going back to Voldemort. Voldemort himself says;

The Goblet of Fire, [i]page 565[/i] wrote:[Voldemort]'And here we have six missing Death Eaters... three dead in my service. One, too cowardly to return... he will pay. One, who I believe has left me for ever... he will be killed, of course... and one, who remains my most faithful servant, and who has already re-entered my service.'

Now obviously the last one he is talking about is Barty Crouch Jr. The other two are a toss up between Snape and Karkaroff. I agree that your above theory does hold water (especially if one is in a sadistic frame of mind).

The biggest problem with the entire "Voldemort wanted to kill Harry" thing I see is that although he slew James outright, he seemed to argue with Lilly for several moments. I don't see this as logical, why did he even bother to stop and engage in dialogue, just kill her and then the baby, and then be done with it.

Ohh I absolutely agree. It's like I said, it was the whole delay over killing Lily, actually arguing with her, that has got all our panties in a bunch

The only thing I can see as reasoning is that he didn't really want to kill Lilly, and I can find few other answers to that question.

Not in dispute. We are searching for the reason, for the why. Your theory provides a good explanation, however I find it strange that you totally write off the theory 'out there to get Harry', that's all.

Rumours going around is that Lily and Voldemort are somehow connected (either through family, maybe Petunia is related to the Riddles?), or perhaps Lily was a Death Eater (not incomprehinsible, the fact that the head of their order is a mudblood after all).

Personally I can't wait to find out!

Steven Snyder · Post by **Steven Snyder** » 2003-06-12 01:00pm

Crown wrote:Not in dispute. We are searching for the reason, for the why. Your theory provides a good explanation, however I find it strange that you totally write off the theory 'out there to get Harry', that's all.

I think Harry is the is a Griffyindor Heir. I think the hat wanted to put him in Slytherin, not because of his heritage, but because of Voldemort's influence on him. In the end he chose to be in Gryfindor, unlike everyone else.

Unlike Tom Riddle, Harry sits at the crossroads. He has all the nobility of a Griffyndor, but all of the potential to be one of the most infamous Slitherin. His decision to do the right thing makes him the hero.

But for the Voldemort was out to get Harry theory, it requires one thing. Harry has to be special. And aside from being a possible Gryfindor heir, he isn't.

Rumours going around is that Lily and Voldemort are somehow connected (either through family, maybe Petunia is related to the Riddles?), or perhaps Lily was a Death Eater (not incomprehinsible, the fact that the head of their order is a mudblood after all).
Personally I can't wait to find out!

Hmm, I think that is just too much of a stretch...

Smiling Bandit · Post by **Smiling Bandit** » 2003-06-12 01:50pm

Given the fact he said "Out of the way woman" says that he had no particular reason to kill Lily Potter.

That doesn't mean he was unwilling to kill her, as evinced by the fact that he swiftly did kill her. It simply means he was may have left her alive had she thrown Harry to the wolves, and that Voldemort was most specifically going after Harry himself.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-06-12 02:00pm

Meh, you silly people with your silly little (well, not so little due to the damn typefaces) books...

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-06-12 02:09pm

Leave us with our big lettered obsession

Steven Snyder · Post by **Steven Snyder** » 2003-06-12 02:11pm

Smiling Bandit wrote:
Given the fact he said "Out of the way woman" says that he had no particular reason to kill Lily Potter.
That doesn't mean he was unwilling to kill her, as evinced by the fact that he swiftly did kill her. It simply means he was may have left her alive had she thrown Harry to the wolves, and that Voldemort was most specifically going after Harry himself.

Why then did he instantly slay James and not her? There was something different about them.

Wasn't Voldemort all about killing Mudbloods? I recall he was also a mudblood himself, but I think he started his spree when he was in hogwarts. Now I am pretty sure that Lilly was a mudblood...

So why did Voldemort hesistate to kill Lilly, he could have killed her instantly. He should have killed her instantly, but he didn't...why?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-06-12 02:15pm

Yeah, which was funny in the regard of his controlling the big snake(mostly given Slytherins thought baout anything not pure-blood...which Riddle wasn't)

So one still has to really wonder why he had any hesitation in killing Lily(a mudblood) vs James(a pure blood).

Hopefully will be answered.

Steven Snyder · Post by **Steven Snyder** » 2003-06-12 02:38pm

Ghost Rider wrote:Yeah, which was funny in the regard of his controlling the big snake(mostly given Slytherins thought baout anything not pure-blood...which Riddle wasn't)

So one still has to really wonder why he had any hesitation in killing Lily(a mudblood) vs James(a pure blood).

Hopefully will be answered.

Hmmm

A new possibility...maybe he wanted Lilly for himself? Then realized she would never submit to him...

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-06-12 03:23pm

relating to an earlier post, Im fairly sure karakoff is counted as the coward, as he betrayed many of his compadres.

Lonestar · Post by **Lonestar** » 2003-06-12 07:11pm

Enforcer Talen wrote:relating to an earlier post, Im fairly sure karakoff is counted as the coward, as he betrayed many of his compadres.

He is indeed. Voldemort would have heard such from Wormtail.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-06-12 07:23pm

Lonestar wrote:
Enforcer Talen wrote:relating to an earlier post, Im fairly sure karakoff is counted as the coward, as he betrayed many of his compadres.
He is indeed. Voldemort would have heard such from Wormtail.

That and he was the first to run when his mark flared.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2003-06-12 07:51pm

septesix wrote:Well, that's only Jordan. Song of Ice and Fire is more in the realm of "Let's kill a couple main character and introduce some new one"

That was who I was lambasting...

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-06-12 07:54pm

really? I prefer him to jordan.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2003-06-12 08:29pm

Err.. forgot to snip enough... *sigh* silly me... I was lambasting Jordan... Song of Ice and fire is a wonderful series...

Lonestar · Post by **Lonestar** » 2003-06-14 09:48pm

What's everyone's theories in Arabella Figg?

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-06-14 09:55pm

The logical character to potentially kill off would be Ginny Weasley.

I'm more interested in seeing what Dumbledore sent Professor Snape to do at the end of GoF. I am also quite interested in what Snape did to get Professor Dumbledore to trust him so implicitly.

Figg is clearly one of Dumbledore's old friends, who was sent to watch over Harry. She might even be the Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher, as her personality would seem to fit with the description of the book from the publisher.

Anyway, she's clearly pretty powerful, and Dumbledore's clearly sent her to watch over Harry while he was with his aunt and uncle. I don't know why she was mentioned as having broken her leg, but I strongly suspect that she suffered no such injury and that her reason was merely an excuse to let her get away and deal with something more important.