Dude......Fight Club.....holy crap

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-06-11 11:45pm

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:Fight Club owns. Edward Norton owns. Never will there be a movie quite as mind-bogglingly awesome as Fight Club.

"The first rule of Fight Club is....there is no Fight Club.
The second rule of Fight Club is, there is no Fight Club"

Actually Old School is like a funny version of Fight Club.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-06-12 12:11am

no, it's -

first rule is, you dont talk about fight club!

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-06-12 12:12am

Enforcer Talen wrote:no, it's -

first rule is, you dont talk about fight club!

*kicks himself in the head*

I knew I'd mess it up.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-06-12 12:19am

-watches sdnet beat on gnome-

if this is your first night at fight club, you have to fight.

Joe Momma · Post by **Joe Momma** » 2003-06-12 12:48am

Andrew J. wrote:I watched Fight Club, and it was pretty good, but I've never understood this massive following that it's had among the more philosophy-oriented types. I mean, when you get right down to it, it's just a lot of existentialist socialism with a bad case of The Usual Suspects Syndrome.

I think a lot of the philosophy-lite types miss the crowning irony that Tyler Durden's philosophies and expressions are as empty as the philosophies he decries, which is one of the things I actually enjoyed about the movie.

-- Joe Momma

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-06-12 12:50am

how so?

Joe Momma · Post by **Joe Momma** » 2003-06-12 01:15am

Enforcer Talen wrote:how so?

Well, one reviewer summed it up a lot better than I could: "(T)he philosophy of Fight Club is even more futile than that which it's rebelling against. Its members have rebelled against being mindless automatons in a workplace by becoming mindless automatons in a small army."

Tyler Durden get his flunkies to go from being brainwashed by slick marketing to fill the empty places in their lives with consumer goods to being brainwashed by his pithy slogans to fill the empty places in thier lives with the adrenaline rush of violence. Instead of wearing the same brand-name clothers, they now wear the same cult uniform. His response to the lack of substance in modern life is to destroy those institutions in equally meaningless acts of violence rather than trying to find a meaning of his own. The latter is a common problem with people who have an existentialist epiphany, IMO -- they never get past being pissed about there being no inherent meaning in life so they never move on to creating their own meanings

These aren't criticisms of the movie itself, BTW. As I said, I actually think it's even more interesting that Tyler contradicts himself in many ways and that in the end the movie doesn't offer up easy answers to complex questions.

-- Joe Momma

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-06-12 01:17am

well, hes a cult leader. he doesnt have to make sense

Joe Momma · Post by **Joe Momma** » 2003-06-12 01:25am

Enforcer Talen wrote:well, hes a cult leader. he doesnt have to make sense

'Zactly! He's a senseless answer to a senseless world.

-- Joe Momma

Not that there aren't plenty of interesting ideas to consider in Durden's speeches...

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-06-12 01:32am

Tyler Durden kicks fucking ass

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-06-12 01:39am

I still yearn to see him vs smith.

aphexmonster · Post by **aphexmonster** » 2003-06-12 01:52am

Enforcer Talen wrote:I still yearn to see him vs smith.

But the smiths have like ... powers and stuff..

aphexmonster · Post by **aphexmonster** » 2003-06-12 01:54am

Andrew J. wrote:I watched Fight Club, and it was pretty good, but I've never understood this massive following that it's had among the more philosophy-oriented types. I mean, when you get right down to it, it's just a lot of existentialist socialism with a bad case of The Usual Suspects Syndrome.

... but with this method of debasing you can dumb down any movie to sound retarded.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-06-12 01:56am

aphexmonster wrote:
Enforcer Talen wrote:I still yearn to see him vs smith.
But the smiths have like ... powers and stuff..

tyler teleports at the end of the movie. make smith get a virus, and he starts talking to tyler.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-06-12 07:24am

I think I'm the only one in existence who hasn't seen it yet.

Amstrad · Post by **Amstrad** » 2003-06-12 07:56am

Its a very enjoyable film, although I appreciate it for its philosophies.

I think a lot of the philosophy-lite types miss the crowning irony that Tyler Durden's philosophies and expressions are as empty as the philosophies he decries, which is one of the things I actually enjoyed about the movie.

That irony is basically a big part of what makes the film what it is, its not really an elusive missing link, rather an intergral part. Or at least thats how it seems to me.

Setzer · Post by **Setzer** » 2003-06-12 10:21am

I'd like to know where the author found out all this local terrorism stuff, like home made dynamite, proper making of a computer screen bomb, and drilling holes in a gun to silence it. BTW, my initials are TD!

russellb6666 · Post by **russellb6666** » 2003-06-12 10:26am

Setzer wrote:I'd like to know where the author found out all this local terrorism stuff, like home made dynamite, proper making of a computer screen bomb, and drilling holes in a gun to silence it. BTW, my initials are TD!

yeah that was what i was wondering after the movie if tyler was simply just all the pent up feelings of the narrator how the hell did he leran about the dynamite or the soap or any of that really cool crap??

Faram · Post by **Faram** » 2003-06-12 10:28am

Setzer wrote:I'd like to know where the author found out all this local terrorism stuff, like home made dynamite, proper making of a computer screen bomb, and drilling holes in a gun to silence it. BTW, my initials are TD!

The Anarchist Cookbook Perhaps?

russellb6666 · Post by **russellb6666** » 2003-06-12 03:01pm

Faram wrote:
Setzer wrote:I'd like to know where the author found out all this local terrorism stuff, like home made dynamite, proper making of a computer screen bomb, and drilling holes in a gun to silence it. BTW, my initials are TD!
The Anarchist Cookbook Perhaps?

yeah could be but I can't really imagine a semi normal guy like the narrator reading the Anarchist Cookbook
and completely unrelated topic cool site

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2003-06-12 03:04pm

Gandalf wrote:I think I'm the only one in existence who hasn't seen it yet.

I haven't. I dont care if i do or not either. Much like Titanic.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2003-06-12 03:10pm

Connor MacLeod wrote:
Gandalf wrote:I think I'm the only one in existence who hasn't seen it yet.
I haven't. I dont care if i do or not either. Much like Titanic.

You're missing a really fun flick in Fight Club, a sophomoric bit of treacle in Titanic.

Andrew J. · Post by **Andrew J.** » 2003-06-12 03:27pm

aphexmonster wrote:
Andrew J. wrote:I watched Fight Club, and it was pretty good, but I've never understood this massive following that it's had among the more philosophy-oriented types. I mean, when you get right down to it, it's just a lot of existentialist socialism with a bad case of The Usual Suspects Syndrome.

... but with this method of debasing you can dumb down any movie to sound retarded.

You noticed? Thank you, it's something I'm very proud of.

Andrew J. · Post by **Andrew J.** » 2003-06-12 03:29pm

Joe Momma wrote:
Andrew J. wrote:I watched Fight Club, and it was pretty good, but I've never understood this massive following that it's had among the more philosophy-oriented types. I mean, when you get right down to it, it's just a lot of existentialist socialism with a bad case of The Usual Suspects Syndrome.
I think a lot of the philosophy-lite types miss the crowning irony that Tyler Durden's philosophies and expressions are as empty as the philosophies he decries, which is one of the things I actually enjoyed about the movie.

Very true. All too often I see someone say "I just saw Fight Club and now I'm a Zen Marxist" or whatever.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-06-12 03:30pm

I personally found his monologues on pain more interesting then his lines of consumerism - and I like the idea of living a more courageous alter ego.